EPTAlso glad for my zerg bros to have gotten quicker ovies, seems like a needed change aswell.
Don't know about queen energy change, we'll have to see how that pans out.
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
Also glad for my zerg bros to have gotten quicker ovies, seems like a needed change aswell. Don't know about queen energy change, we'll have to see how that pans out. | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:36 gh0un wrote: I am playing zerg and i believe the overlord speed buff is long overdue. Also the queen buff enables zerg a lot more options early game, which is something zerg desperately needs. Not being able to place spines at important positions is limiting zerg heavily in the early game (on certain maps). The extra creep spread or the extra transfure allows for better DEFENSE not offense, which is something this game needs. I know that protoss and terrans will whine that this limits their options in the early game against zerg, but honestly, this game has way too many early game timings that i dont see how limiting early game options is a bad thing. Or rather, giving Zerg more options to deal with T/P early game options. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
Seriously guys... I'm very glad blizzard would still base their decision on what they think and not on the QQs. Like, how the ghost change went through despite all the complains from the terran players. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:40 ch33psh33p wrote: Protoss does NOT need a buff right now. Did you talk to Stephano about that? I think he might disagree and i'm quite sure he has more authority in that respect. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
OMG Zerg gets a "free" creep tumor. TvZ IMBA!!!! | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:40 Luppy1 wrote: So much complains over how much 25 energy would change the game, lol. Pros cant keep the energy of queens at ~0 late game. So, please don't exaggerate how this extra 25 energy would change even the late game. Isn't the ability to transfuse intended? Zerg players will still have a limited number of queens early game. How about you just focus down the queen with the energy to transfuse since the other queens would have minimal energy since they're on larve injecting duties? Seriously guys... I'm very glad blizzard would still base their decision on what they think and not on the QQs. Like, how the ghost change went through despite all the complains from the terran players. Think before you write. The buff gives zerg a better early + mid game (creep is very strong). Terran NEEDS to do damage during the early-mid game. This creep buff makes it harder to do the necessary damage. Then we enter the lategame, where zergs will be stronger thanks to the buff they had early-mid game. 25 energy extra on each queen = 50 energy = 2 tumors = HUGE. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:43 Morfildur wrote: Did you talk to Stephano about that? I think he might disagree and i'm quite sure he has more authority in that respect. Lol, that could apply to everyone who makes post in this thread that isn't a pro-gamer. Please don't make ad hominem attacks, its boring and makes you look silly. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:43 Morfildur wrote: Did you talk to Stephano about that? I think he might disagree and i'm quite sure he has more authority in that respect. Yes, a faster observer will help so hard in pvz... not. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:40 Luppy1 wrote: So much complains over how much 25 energy would change the game, lol. Pros cant keep the energy of queens at ~0 late game. So, please don't exaggerate how this extra 25 energy would change even the late game. Isn't the ability to transfuse intended? Zerg players will still have a limited number of queens early game. How about you just focus down the queen with the energy to transfuse since the other queens would have minimal energy since they're on larve injecting duties? Seriously guys... I'm very glad blizzard would still base their decision on what they think and not on the QQs. Like, how the ghost change went through despite all the complains from the terran players. They changed the zealot and stalker build time reduction (from regular gateways) when they nerfed warp gate when everyone complained that it would allow proxy 2-gate cheese again. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:46 Snowbear wrote: Yes, a faster observer will help so hard in pvz... not. haha i lold 5-10 sec faster immortals  | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:43 Morfildur wrote: Did you talk to Stephano about that? I think he might disagree and i'm quite sure he has more authority in that respect. Because the observer buff will help PvZ how? I don't think you actually thought beyond sensing an opportunity to praise Stephano. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:40 Luppy1 wrote: So much complains over how much 25 energy would change the game, lol. Pros cant keep the energy of queens at ~0 late game. So, please don't exaggerate how this extra 25 energy would change even the late game. Isn't the ability to transfuse intended? Zerg players will still have a limited number of queens early game. How about you just focus down the queen with the energy to transfuse since the other queens would have minimal energy since they're on larve injecting duties? Seriously guys... I'm very glad blizzard would still base their decision on what they think and not on the QQs. Like, how the ghost change went through despite all the complains from the terran players. Why people like this even comment ? You have absolutely no idea about the game. 50 Starting energy is HUGE because you get a fast tumor AND inject. You will connect your expo with main and will be spreading creep against the opponent without losing and infect early game which is fucking nuts. With that fast creep spread, hellion openings on some maps will not be able to hit before creep is spread to the third base and good luck trying to deny the drone when 30 speedlings are roaming on the creep. Also, stargate play will no longer be a big threat, since every spawned queen will have a transfuse to heal each other. I would really like to see players ranks attached to their teamliquid accounts, so everyone could ignore low leaguers... And don't call it elitism because it's simply a rational thinking. Why argue a guy, who has no idea about what he is talking and thinks he is right as well ? | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
I don't agree with Queens starting with 50 energy instead of 25. That is just rediculous. There will just be so much creep in the early game maybe too early that can be taken advantage of way easily. The observer change I somewhat don't agree with because I feel like 30 seconds is a tad bit too fast. Maybe 35 seconds. I mean its not really that fast and its not really that slow. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:49 Ghanburighan wrote: Because the observer buff will help PvZ how? I don't think you actually thought beyond sensing an opportunity to praise Stephano. I said that Stephano voiced his opinion that Protoss need a buff, disagreeing with the person i quoted, not that _this_ buff is the correct one (It's not). | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On May 03 2012 22:46 Snowbear wrote: Yes, a faster observer will help so hard in pvz... not. That way we can see much more quickly that we're fucked :p I joke, of course. | ||
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NMxSardines
77 Posts
Protoss players almost never had a problem with Observers making too slow, so it's not being voted up. In my opinion, I feel like the Queen change will be overpowered against any kind of air play from either Terran or Protoss. Overlord change will favor careless Zergs who should be punished for bad overlord placement, but it's an alright change otherwise. | ||
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