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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
On April 26 2012 20:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: yeah but at the same time they way they run things is the reason why BW lasts this long. haha yeah and i think you might have forgotten that BW was >10 years old and the eSports scene was crazy big when SC2 came out. BW literally opened the way up for the SC2 scene to get as large as it did in such a short time... | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:43 Bisu-Fan wrote: haha yeah and i think you might have forgotten that BW was >10 years old and the eSports scene was crazy big when SC2 came out. BW literally opened the way up for the SC2 scene to get as large as it did in such a short time... Crazy big? Yes. Dying? Also yes, because of Savior. Seriously, if all of you knew Korean... You'd see the truth. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
However, during this process, what we learned was that KeSPA did not recognize our intellectual property rights, and that our suggestions even up to this day, echoed unheard while KeSPA offered no solutions of their own. Even from the start of negotiations, that some sort of license being needed is something both sides agreed on. It's just that there were some clashing of opinions in details, and working that out took time. KeSPA and OGN-MBCGame had come to acknowledge that licensing requirement (with our products), and that allowed us to proceed with the negotiation as quickly as possible for the fans. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226961 | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
Well shit, there goes my last tiny speck of hope. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
 STX Head Coach is my new hero... he just spews wisdom in his interview with Fomos... almost tearing upSTX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now. STX Coach Lee: Well, SC1 was released in 1998 and about 2 years later, the game in itself has already sort of faded off. We revived it as legitimate eSports content and have kept it going for this long, until today. It was essentially dead overseas and many people pointed fingers at us for playing an archaic game. However, as times passed, the number of SC1 fans increased, both here and globally. When did TeamLiquid first launch? I feel like the number of SC1 fans are actually steadily growing globally. Of course, we can’t really compare with the number of SC2 fans, but the interest for SC1 is definitely there. Some are saying SC2 will open the doors to globalize the Korean eSports scene, but I have a different viewpoint on this. Some say sending Korean players to overseas SC2 market is globalization and expansion. I see it as a reduction of our domestic eSports scene. Yes, earning foreign currencies overseas is good for players, but for so many years we’ve declared ourselves the leading eSports country, and it sounds like we’ve given up on being the leader now. If we had a strong infrastructure here and sold only the contents overseas, the players wouldn’t need to go far away to have a sustainable career. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:57 Bisu-Fan wrote: STX Head Coach is my new hero... he just spews wisdom in his interview with Fomos... almost tearing upSTX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now. STX Coach Lee: Well, SC1 was released in 1998 and about 2 years later, the game in itself has already sort of faded off. We revived it as legitimate eSports content and have kept it going for this long, until today. It was essentially dead overseas and many people pointed fingers at us for playing an archaic game. However, as times passed, the number of SC1 fans increased, both here and globally. When did TeamLiquid first launch? I feel like the number of SC1 fans are actually steadily growing globally. Of course, we can’t really compare with the number of SC2 fans, but the interest for SC1 is definitely there. Some are saying SC2 will open the doors to globalize the Korean eSports scene, but I have a different viewpoint on this. Some say sending Korean players to overseas SC2 market is globalization and expansion. I see it as a reduction of our domestic eSports scene. Yes, earning foreign currencies overseas is good for players, but for so many years we’ve declared ourselves the leading eSports country, and it sounds like we’ve given up on being the leader now. If we had a strong infrastructure here and sold only the contents overseas, the players wouldn’t need to go far away to have a sustainable career. Wisdom? WISDOM? You can't be serious. More like arrogance, thinking South Korean scene is all that matters to him. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
no matter what these organizations do, things will not last if the game can't carry it. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:48 JiPrime wrote: Crazy big? Yes. Dying? Also yes, because of Savior. Seriously, if all of you knew Korean... You'd see the truth. Um what? sure it was dying but what does that have to do with anything I said? On April 27 2012 08:58 JiPrime wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 08:57 Bisu-Fan wrote: STX Head Coach is my new hero... he just spews wisdom in his interview with Fomos... almost tearing upSTX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now. STX Coach Lee: Well, SC1 was released in 1998 and about 2 years later, the game in itself has already sort of faded off. We revived it as legitimate eSports content and have kept it going for this long, until today. It was essentially dead overseas and many people pointed fingers at us for playing an archaic game. However, as times passed, the number of SC1 fans increased, both here and globally. When did TeamLiquid first launch? I feel like the number of SC1 fans are actually steadily growing globally. Of course, we can’t really compare with the number of SC2 fans, but the interest for SC1 is definitely there. Some are saying SC2 will open the doors to globalize the Korean eSports scene, but I have a different viewpoint on this. Some say sending Korean players to overseas SC2 market is globalization and expansion. I see it as a reduction of our domestic eSports scene. Yes, earning foreign currencies overseas is good for players, but for so many years we’ve declared ourselves the leading eSports country, and it sounds like we’ve given up on being the leader now. If we had a strong infrastructure here and sold only the contents overseas, the players wouldn’t need to go far away to have a sustainable career. Wisdom? WISDOM? You can't be serious. More like arrogance, thinking South Korean scene is all that matters to him. K now, I think you're just stalking me and just bashing whatever I say... First off, I do speak Korean... Been speaking it since birth~ and the wisdom I was talking about was just in my opinion; sorry if that went unwelcome to you... If you read the full interview, you would have seen STX's coach saying what Korea did wrong with SC1 and pointing out all the faults. Dude I'm quoting an SC1 coaches' interview; did you expect them all to be all perfect blindly happy about the integration? No they have their own opinions... And also, you don't see me bashing everyone who's excited about the upcoming announcement. They all are talking about an integration... I'm not the one going, "oh y'all are idiots and the SC2 scene is all that's important to you" | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
And that's what you have here may 2nd, boys. That's what you've earned here, may 2nd. One announcement If we annouced 'em ten times, they would be announcements of announcement. But not this announcement Not may 2nd.. May 2nd, we play with 'em May 2nd, we stay with 'em, and we shut them down because we can! May 2nd, we are the greatest starcraft players in the world. They were born to be starcraft players -- every one of 'em And you were meant to be here may 2nd. This is our time. Their time -- is done. It's over. I'm sick and tired of hearin' about what great starcraft teams kespa have. Screw 'em! This is our time!! Now go out there and take it It's about time. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Artosis knows nothing about this conference, which he claims is strange since he is usually aware of stuff in the scene months in advance. Most of the hosts think that most of this conference will be rather generic PR statements about expanding esports and cooperating and catering the fans yada yada yada. Although they speculate that perhaps there might be some info about the upcoming Proleague. All in all, not much info discussed on State of the Game. Just basic speculation. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16697 Posts
On April 27 2012 09:18 eviltomahawk wrote: Listening to State of the Game. Artosis knows nothing about this conference, which he claims is strange since he is usually aware of stuff in the scene months in advance. Most of the hosts think that most of this conference will be rather generic PR statements about expanding esports and cooperating and catering the fans yada yada yada. Although they speculate that perhaps there might be some info about the upcoming Proleague. All in all, not much info discussed on State of the Game. Just basic speculation. There is no way Paul Sams is attending this thing without something concrete coming out of it. The only way this thing is completely window dressing is if Blizzard is NOT attending. If Blizzard is there something of concrete substance will be announced not just same airy-fairy "mission statement". | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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Freezd
United States139 Posts
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ETisME
12387 Posts
On April 27 2012 09:18 eviltomahawk wrote: Listening to State of the Game. Artosis knows nothing about this conference, which he claims is strange since he is usually aware of stuff in the scene months in advance. Most of the hosts think that most of this conference will be rather generic PR statements about expanding esports and cooperating and catering the fans yada yada yada. Although they speculate that perhaps there might be some info about the upcoming Proleague. All in all, not much info discussed on State of the Game. Just basic speculation. won't be surprised if he is only hiding something. he works for gom afterall | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On April 27 2012 10:46 Freezd wrote: this is bad do you know kespa controlled the teams over there and its like a monopoly where we'll have to pay to watch and theres only 1 tournament with good people this is horrible there's already only one tournament with good people that we have to pay for. zinggggg | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:58 JiPrime wrote: Wisdom? WISDOM? You can't be serious. More like arrogance, thinking South Korean scene is all that matters to him. Actually no, that's wisdom. But it's also stupidity. The reason Korean SC2 progamers have to go overseas to earn foreign currency is because SC:BW boycotted SC2 for so long, and the massive Korean sponsors that allow BW progamers to earn a good living playing BW, are not helping SC2 progamers at all. SC2 has no economy when comparing to SC:BW, and that's because everyone in BW has been trying so hard to hurt SC2 and prevent it from dominating BW. Now that BW has been unsuccessful in doing so, they are saying "okay, we kinda have to join them I guess...". Regardless though, there just hasn't been any money in SC2 in Korea yet, and that is completely the fault of people like the STX Coach Lee and the other important people in BW. I do believe that Korea should wake up and provide their progamers with very nice careers though, so that Koreans no longer feel so pressed to go to foreign tournaments. The powerhouse nation is not supposed to venture out into the world, the world is supposed to feel enthralled to visit the powerhouse nation. Korea has failed up until now to maintain that powerhouse status, which is what Coach Lee was trying to say, but Coach Lee was part of the reason they have done so. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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Nuubie
Sweden66 Posts
I personally didnt like Prime, controversy aside, being able to make it all the way to the finals and beat a team like Startale just because they have a player like MarineKing on fire during the months its played, with so little contribution from other players. (Yes, I know Byuns 3kill of ST.Protoss contradicts this a tiny bit) | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:43 Bisu-Fan wrote: haha yeah and i think you might have forgotten that BW was >10 years old and the eSports scene was crazy big when SC2 came out. BW literally opened the way up for the SC2 scene to get as large as it did in such a short time... how can you say korean BW (aka kespa) is the reason for sc2 being so big? kespa has been actively working to hurt sc2 up until this point and the korean scene has had to be dragged into the sc2 world. the only thing, imo. to thank korean bw for is teamliquid, and they hardly did that on purpose. | ||
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