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Blizzard-KeSPA-OGN-GOM SC2 Announcement May 2nd - Page 20

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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 26 2012 21:30 GMT
#381
ooOOoo

User was warned for this post
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
April 26 2012 21:33 GMT
#382
I know we know since quite some time that BW is fading away, but every time I read news like this I still find myself with a heart full of sadness...

That feeling that you have when you know things you love are about to disappear :'(
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
April 26 2012 21:33 GMT
#383
this meeting would have been more useful 4 or 5 years ago... transition to sc2 would have been smoother for the korean bw scene.

Still, it's good they are finally getting together and hopefully laying down a foundation so that the pro sc2 scene is able to run for the near future. Hopefully some sort of plan where the GSL takes up the MSL's mantle, the OSL transitions to sc2, and there's a realignment plan whereby the bw teams can coexist with the GSTL teams in a competitive league of some kind. (perhaps make the bw teams into one 'conference' and the GSTL teams into another 'conference'; or perhaps just mix and match them in some way so that the division between teams isn't so pronounced.)

CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
April 26 2012 21:40 GMT
#384
Awesome news, I can't wait to see the bw players transition over ^^ it's going to be amazing!! Hopefully they can come up with a solid plan for good league formats and a way to promote sc2 so it becomes even bigger. This nerd is hopeful and excited :D
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
April 26 2012 21:43 GMT
#385
wow, pretty epic
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
April 26 2012 21:45 GMT
#386
On April 27 2012 05:16 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
On April 27 2012 04:15 jinorazi wrote:
kespa never killed foreign scene and sc2's foreigner scene dying, when it does, will not be because of kespa. it was and will be because of lack of foreign skills. with the huge influx of top korean players coming into sc2, it does look even more grim for foreign scene. more korean domination than before. as people have said, only way foreigners can catch up or keep up is dedication and hard practice by the majority of foreign sc2 players. as competition becomes even more difficult, i can't help but think foreigners will move on with their life without starcraft. and the stigma of "lol you want to become a progamer? good luck, might as well just give up now" will be strong in the foreign scene.

when sc2 started, there was no fierce competition, there was no need for drafts, entry tournaments like courage, no need for progamer license because there simply wasn't enough demand(players) and there was no lack of supply(tournament). but as the scene grows, there will be shit load of new talents wanting to be progamers, just like how bw scene became and there will be no choice but to have arduous paths to be a progamer, just like any other professional sports.


On what grounds are you claiming that the foreign Starcraft II scene is dying? MLG is getting ridiculously large investments, and even leagues like NASL, that seemed to be on the lower end of quality when they started are having no trouble finding more than enough sponsors to operate.


similar to bw? giyom, elky, smuft, idra, and others which i cannot name cus i cant remember, they all came and gone and later only koreans were left in the scene....and slowly bw scene died outside of korea, perhaps even before that...there wasn't one to begine with imo. (only mania level, like tl.net pre-sc2)
korean domination seems inevitable in sc2 (korean domination is going now, it'll get worse with top talents from bw join in) and people might move on to different games. i'm talking far future, not right now. i'm saying sc2 will probably die outside of korea first IF foreigners can't compete/keep up.


Not at all similar.

The difference is having these massive TOURNAMENTS which our players compete in which keeps the competition high.

MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, IEM, HSC. It's no longer impossible to train at a high level outside of Korea. Hence players like Stephano. Korea already had this system in place when SC2 came out in terms of having the infrastructure for tournaments such as GSL and the players to make it competitive. That's why it's a very positive sign that all of our foreign tournaments were able to establish themselves before this switch and have a head start on the BW pros. With leagues like NASL keeping our players playing competitive matches at least once a week I think we should be fine for quite some time. Personally, I think it's just hugely positive for the global SC2 scene that this is happening.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 26 2012 21:46 GMT
#387
Let me guess:

-Proleague with merged GOM and KeSPA teams simul-cast on GOM (global online) and OGN (Korean TV)
-Dual individual leagues: GSL and OSL2
-Some sort of revenue share system?
-Some sort of merged team administrative system a la KeSPA?
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
April 26 2012 21:56 GMT
#388
On April 27 2012 05:50 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:43 Full.tilt wrote:
I hope Blizzard are ready to grab their ankles and do whatever it takes, otherwise it's just going to be LoL all the way


I wouldn't like that so much
Sc is where it should be, blizzard needs to make sure LoL doesn't dominate as much as it does now


I was mainly thinking about allowing Kespa to decide on the life of BW and for Blizzard to not push for SC2 only. I've read LoL is huge in Korea at the mo and SC2 is hardly played in PC Bangs etc, I feel like Blizzard should stop trying to exert any sort of control and just purely support whatever the people in charge of korean SC2 and BW tournaments want to do.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 26 2012 21:56 GMT
#389
On April 27 2012 06:45 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:16 jinorazi wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
On April 27 2012 04:15 jinorazi wrote:
kespa never killed foreign scene and sc2's foreigner scene dying, when it does, will not be because of kespa. it was and will be because of lack of foreign skills. with the huge influx of top korean players coming into sc2, it does look even more grim for foreign scene. more korean domination than before. as people have said, only way foreigners can catch up or keep up is dedication and hard practice by the majority of foreign sc2 players. as competition becomes even more difficult, i can't help but think foreigners will move on with their life without starcraft. and the stigma of "lol you want to become a progamer? good luck, might as well just give up now" will be strong in the foreign scene.

when sc2 started, there was no fierce competition, there was no need for drafts, entry tournaments like courage, no need for progamer license because there simply wasn't enough demand(players) and there was no lack of supply(tournament). but as the scene grows, there will be shit load of new talents wanting to be progamers, just like how bw scene became and there will be no choice but to have arduous paths to be a progamer, just like any other professional sports.


On what grounds are you claiming that the foreign Starcraft II scene is dying? MLG is getting ridiculously large investments, and even leagues like NASL, that seemed to be on the lower end of quality when they started are having no trouble finding more than enough sponsors to operate.


similar to bw? giyom, elky, smuft, idra, and others which i cannot name cus i cant remember, they all came and gone and later only koreans were left in the scene....and slowly bw scene died outside of korea, perhaps even before that...there wasn't one to begine with imo. (only mania level, like tl.net pre-sc2)
korean domination seems inevitable in sc2 (korean domination is going now, it'll get worse with top talents from bw join in) and people might move on to different games. i'm talking far future, not right now. i'm saying sc2 will probably die outside of korea first IF foreigners can't compete/keep up.


Not at all similar.

The difference is having these massive TOURNAMENTS which our players compete in which keeps the competition high.

MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, IEM, HSC. It's no longer impossible to train at a high level outside of Korea. Hence players like Stephano. Korea already had this system in place when SC2 came out in terms of having the infrastructure for tournaments such as GSL and the players to make it competitive. That's why it's a very positive sign that all of our foreign tournaments were able to establish themselves before this switch and have a head start on the BW pros. With leagues like NASL keeping our players playing competitive matches at least once a week I think we should be fine for quite some time. Personally, I think it's just hugely positive for the global SC2 scene that this is happening.


i was speaking with the context of "kespa killing foreign scene" and i was stating that wont be the case, and how it(foreign scene) could fall, if it were to fall. i see great future for starcraft with all the organizations coming together, it can only get better.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
April 26 2012 21:56 GMT
#390
On April 27 2012 06:33 fabiano wrote:
I know we know since quite some time that BW is fading away, but every time I read news like this I still find myself with a heart full of sadness...

That feeling that you have when you know things you love are about to disappear :'(


So hard to say good bye, isn't it?

Me too. Even after so long.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Apples[GG]
Profile Joined April 2012
6 Posts
April 26 2012 21:57 GMT
#391
So much hype.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
April 26 2012 22:00 GMT
#392
This will either be huge or hugely disappointing. 99% chance it's huge but we shouldn't make too many assumptions before we see the announcement itself. Who knows what they will actually say? Best to just wait and see, it's been like a year now that rumors or BW pros switching and BW dying have been going on strong (I know they are older than a year but I mean legitimate rumors) and we haven't seen anything yet.

I guess we'll see in a week.
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scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
April 26 2012 22:01 GMT
#393
Announcement of announcement !!!

I just hope they won't go on with the 1 year exclusive of Kespa ran team not recruiting/playing with current sc2 pros.
Brood War is forever
INTOtheVOID
Profile Joined January 2012
United States225 Posts
April 26 2012 22:03 GMT
#394
On April 27 2012 05:29 HaruHaru wrote:
fuck this


True that.

User was temp banned for this post.
Pink Floyd's music is like a beautiful girl walking down the street who won't talk to you.
TheAmpersand
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
April 26 2012 22:03 GMT
#395
I'd love to see the training materials they use. What do you suppose are on the sheets of paper that Flash is pointing at? Obviously different units, but besides basic stats, what else?
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
April 26 2012 22:07 GMT
#396
announcement: SC2BW (the modded custom game) tournament
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
dfraz
Profile Joined February 2012
10 Posts
April 26 2012 22:09 GMT
#397
interestinggg
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
April 26 2012 22:19 GMT
#398
On April 27 2012 07:03 INTOtheVOID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:29 HaruHaru wrote:
fuck this


True that.


Yep.

User was warned for this post
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 26 2012 22:35 GMT
#399
Wait, so they announced an announcement?
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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
April 26 2012 22:40 GMT
#400
1. Gom shares broadcasting rights with OGN
2. OGN and Gom will have individual leagues. Much like OSL and MLS
3. They will either have 1 collaborative team league or each have one.
4. Kespa will recognize sc2 players as pros.
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