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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
April 26 2012 22:42 GMT
#401
I'm interested in seeing how much of this announcement is donkey stuff and how much of it demonstrates a realistic understanding of what the Korean scene is.
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 26 2012 22:43 GMT
#402
May god help us.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 26 2012 22:49 GMT
#403
On April 27 2012 07:42 oBlade wrote:
I'm interested in seeing how much of this announcement is donkey stuff and how much of it demonstrates a realistic understanding of what the Korean scene is.

What is "a realistic understanding of what the Korean scene is" exactly? As you see it that is. I'm just curious because this is kind of an arbitrary way to judge whatever news comes out of this announcement.
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 26 2012 22:55 GMT
#404
Is the market value of the Korean starcraft leagues worth so much to Blizzard that they are willing to settle their differences?
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HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
April 26 2012 23:15 GMT
#405
On April 27 2012 07:55 archonOOid wrote:
Is the market value of the Korean starcraft leagues worth so much to Blizzard that they are willing to settle their differences?


I'm just glad that two corporations could find reason and act in a mature way, looking forward to the cooperation and the great things it will bring.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 26 2012 23:17 GMT
#406
Huge announcement. Can't wait for this epic union of Starcraft groups to create a new SCII scene.
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KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
April 26 2012 23:20 GMT
#407
On April 27 2012 08:15 HeIios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:55 archonOOid wrote:
Is the market value of the Korean starcraft leagues worth so much to Blizzard that they are willing to settle their differences?


I'm just glad that two corporations could find reason and act in a mature way, looking forward to the cooperation and the great things it will bring.

Yeah this is really refreshing. I hope they have some fresh, and intelligent models, and that they realize they'll all be better off if sc2 grows in the future, and not act in the best interest of their company right now.
mufin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States616 Posts
April 26 2012 23:23 GMT
#408
im going to lol hysterically if they have lag problems on live tv.
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NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
April 26 2012 23:24 GMT
#409
On April 27 2012 07:40 Luepert wrote:
1. Gom shares broadcasting rights with OGN
2. OGN and Gom will have individual leagues. Much like OSL and MLS
3. They will either have 1 collaborative team league or each have one.
4. Kespa will recognize sc2 players as pros.


That is a best case scenario. Wonder what the worst is.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 26 2012 23:25 GMT
#410
They have had computer/latency/electricity problems already
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
April 26 2012 23:25 GMT
#411
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 26 2012 23:25 GMT
#412
Never have I been so excited by an announcement of an announcement!
=)=
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
April 26 2012 23:28 GMT
#413
Amazing? Terrible? Amazing? Terrible? ...
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Jaegeru
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom676 Posts
April 26 2012 23:30 GMT
#414
This is going to be good, I just hope GOM doesn't get fucked over again.
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Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
April 26 2012 23:34 GMT
#415
This is huge, im so glad for ESPORTS!
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 23:37:30
April 26 2012 23:35 GMT
#416
On April 26 2012 20:13 Aetherial wrote:
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On April 26 2012 19:58 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote:
The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight.

TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash.

Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it.

But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them.


Now don't be err ageist.

Recently joined, long time lurker.

Not hard to find examples, while not all 'factual' the first quote below is a rather telling statement made by Blizzard in regards to KESPA and their dealings. I can only judge them by their past actions, words not so much.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/05/28/blizzard-dumps-kespa-signs-gomtv

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"To everyone in the Korean Starcraft community,

There have been several recent events regarding Blizzard’s involvement in Korean e-Sports. I’d like to take this opportunity to explain our stance on the current situation, and Blizzard’s position and vision for the future of e-Sports. But before I begin, I need to clearly explain the relationship between Blizzard and the Korea e-Sports association, and why we made the decision to stop trying to negotiate with the KeSPA office as a partner.

In 2007, we were shocked and disappointed to learn that KeSPA had illegally sold the broadcasting rights for StarCraft tournaments without our consent. With this clear violation of our intellectual property rights, we were forced to become more actively involved in the situation and make our voice be heard. Even so, we began talks with KeSPA in good faith so we could find a way to protect our intellectual property rights as well as help e-Sports to grow further.

For the following three years, we tried very hard to have negotiations where we could correct a skewed situation and reach mutual understanding. However, during this process, what we learned was that KeSPA did not recognize our intellectual property rights, and that our suggestions even up to this day, echoed unheard while KeSPA offered no solutions of their own. Furthermore, the KeSPA office prevented pro-game teams or pro-gamers from contacting Blizzard by threatening ‘disadvantages.’ Unlike the negative rumors you might have heard, Blizzard’s intention towards e-Sports is not to ‘dominate’ it and create excessive profits from it. From the beginning of the negotiations up to now, the basic framework we have thought of is one where e-Sports can continue to grow, while we can protect our intellectual property rights.

With the release of “Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty” approaching, we decided we could not delay any further in finding a trustworthy partner who respected our intellectual property rights, and decided it was time to find a new way altogether. As a result of that decision, we signed a contract with GomTV which we announced today, which gives them the exclusive rights to hold and broadcast Blizzard game tournaments in Korea. We have cooperated closely with GomTV in the past, and discovered in the process that we have similar values and goals in e-Sports. Also, we believe that GomTV is a capable partner with whom we can not only advance e-Sports in Korea, but in the entire world as well.

We are very proud that Starcraft contributed greatly to Korea becoming a global forerunner in e-Sports. We eagerly await the day when we can support progamers, or GomTV in their efforts to cooperate with the other broadcast companies in the world of e-Sports. We will continue to do our best for the development of e-Sports, and to that end we will improve the quality of matches and add features that will create competitive factors for the enjoyment of the audience. As always, we are deeply thankful for your understanding and support, and we are always open to your thoughts opinions.

Thank you,

Mike Morhaime"



http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic

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As of October 2009, the future of GOMTV tournament seem to be in jeopardy. Only 5 teams have said that they are interested in competing in the GOMTV tournament while the other teams have backed out, claiming the workload on the players is too high. There seems to be another reason, supposedly, which is the fight between Blizzard and KeSPA over the rights to StarCraft II tournaments, and KeSPA is believed to have ordered some of the teams to back out from the GOMTV Classic.


Considering the fact that Blizzard's contribution over any kind of an e-Sport thing is even less than KeSPA's contribution over foreign e-Sports, they didn't and shouldn't have anything to say about which tournaments should or should not have their games. The most recent IP rights case didn't result in Blizzard's favor either. The IP thing is just something that got made up by them (not the original Intellectual Property but the thing that Blizzard claims).

On April 26 2012 20:25 Venomsflame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 19:58 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote:
The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight.

TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash.

Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it.

But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them.


What. KeSPA is terrible. The way they run things is a huge reason of why BW never really got out of Korea. Look at SC2 without them and how quickly it took off.

Yeah, look at how quickly SC2 took off in SK. Until there were rumors of KeSPA getting involved with SC2, its popularity in SK was similar to BW's popularity in anywhere except SK. KeSPA is doing their things right in their way. If it wasn't the case, most of these SC2 teams wouldn't be wishing for KeSPA to take over SC2 scene too so that SC2 could get popularity up until 2-3 months ago, when the rumors first kicked in.

On April 27 2012 08:24 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:40 Luepert wrote:
1. Gom shares broadcasting rights with OGN
2. OGN and Gom will have individual leagues. Much like OSL and MLS
3. They will either have 1 collaborative team league or each have one.
4. Kespa will recognize sc2 players as pros.


That is a best case scenario. Wonder what the worst is.

If KeSPA gets the rights for BW as well and actually continue BW Proleague too, then it's the best case scenario.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 23:37:46
April 26 2012 23:37 GMT
#417
Sorry, double post.
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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
April 26 2012 23:37 GMT
#418
On April 26 2012 18:36 ne4aJIb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 14:18 whsper wrote:
May is going to be a busy month! Diablo 3, Kespa/Blizz announcement... and hopefully... maybe? patch 1.5?


what if 1.16.2?!

YEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D reading through this whole thread, this post made me the happiest. Everyone seems so negative about kespa... i know like they're sometimes really retarded, but they still got the scene as it is now~
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archon256
Profile Joined August 2010
United States363 Posts
April 26 2012 23:37 GMT
#419
On April 27 2012 08:24 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:40 Luepert wrote:
1. Gom shares broadcasting rights with OGN
2. OGN and Gom will have individual leagues. Much like OSL and MLS
3. They will either have 1 collaborative team league or each have one.
4. Kespa will recognize sc2 players as pros.


That is a best case scenario. Wonder what the worst is.

The best case scenario would involve all of that as well as Blizzard announcing those games will be run on a private LAN.
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danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
April 26 2012 23:41 GMT
#420
Oh hell yeah, make it happen.
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