On April 26 2012 18:28 synaptik wrote:
This is it.
The end of foreigners.
This is it.
The end of foreigners.
So true.
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On April 26 2012 18:28 synaptik wrote: This is it. The end of foreigners. So true. | ||
chocopaw
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DropBear
Australia4293 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On April 26 2012 19:05 Miyoshino wrote: Why did they let Gom get into this deal. Oh god how I hate Gom. I hate Blizzard more but since it's their game Kepspa/OGN had no choice. They should prevent SC2 only players from playing in this league. You have to master both games. That's only fair. ...Yeah, to play soccer competitively you should also have to play baseball competitively. Makes perfect sense. Except it doesn't, and it would do nothing but hold both games back. Splitting practice time between two games = poorer performance in both games. | ||
Kordox
Denmark142 Posts
On April 26 2012 19:44 Skwid1g wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 19:05 Miyoshino wrote: Why did they let Gom get into this deal. Oh god how I hate Gom. I hate Blizzard more but since it's their game Kepspa/OGN had no choice. They should prevent SC2 only players from playing in this league. You have to master both games. That's only fair. ...Yeah, to play soccer competitively you should also have to play baseball competitively. Makes perfect sense. Except it doesn't, and it would do nothing but hold both games back. Splitting practice time between two games = poorer performance in both games. SC2 players have an edge over BW players because they only practice SC2. I think that's what he was talking about. | ||
Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49497 Posts
On April 26 2012 18:36 ne4aJIb wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 14:18 whsper wrote: May is going to be a busy month! Diablo 3, Kespa/Blizz announcement... and hopefully... maybe? patch 1.5? what if 1.16.2?! HD support added. | ||
Rhaegar99
Australia1190 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Time will tell.. | ||
Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote: The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight. TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash. Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it. But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them. | ||
Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
On April 26 2012 19:58 Djagulingu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote: The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight. TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash. Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it. But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them. Now don't be err ageist. ![]() Recently joined, long time lurker. Not hard to find examples, while not all 'factual' the first quote below is a rather telling statement made by Blizzard in regards to KESPA and their dealings. I can only judge them by their past actions, words not so much. http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/05/28/blizzard-dumps-kespa-signs-gomtv + Show Spoiler + "To everyone in the Korean Starcraft community, There have been several recent events regarding Blizzard’s involvement in Korean e-Sports. I’d like to take this opportunity to explain our stance on the current situation, and Blizzard’s position and vision for the future of e-Sports. But before I begin, I need to clearly explain the relationship between Blizzard and the Korea e-Sports association, and why we made the decision to stop trying to negotiate with the KeSPA office as a partner. In 2007, we were shocked and disappointed to learn that KeSPA had illegally sold the broadcasting rights for StarCraft tournaments without our consent. With this clear violation of our intellectual property rights, we were forced to become more actively involved in the situation and make our voice be heard. Even so, we began talks with KeSPA in good faith so we could find a way to protect our intellectual property rights as well as help e-Sports to grow further. For the following three years, we tried very hard to have negotiations where we could correct a skewed situation and reach mutual understanding. However, during this process, what we learned was that KeSPA did not recognize our intellectual property rights, and that our suggestions even up to this day, echoed unheard while KeSPA offered no solutions of their own. Furthermore, the KeSPA office prevented pro-game teams or pro-gamers from contacting Blizzard by threatening ‘disadvantages.’ Unlike the negative rumors you might have heard, Blizzard’s intention towards e-Sports is not to ‘dominate’ it and create excessive profits from it. From the beginning of the negotiations up to now, the basic framework we have thought of is one where e-Sports can continue to grow, while we can protect our intellectual property rights. With the release of “Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty” approaching, we decided we could not delay any further in finding a trustworthy partner who respected our intellectual property rights, and decided it was time to find a new way altogether. As a result of that decision, we signed a contract with GomTV which we announced today, which gives them the exclusive rights to hold and broadcast Blizzard game tournaments in Korea. We have cooperated closely with GomTV in the past, and discovered in the process that we have similar values and goals in e-Sports. Also, we believe that GomTV is a capable partner with whom we can not only advance e-Sports in Korea, but in the entire world as well. We are very proud that Starcraft contributed greatly to Korea becoming a global forerunner in e-Sports. We eagerly await the day when we can support progamers, or GomTV in their efforts to cooperate with the other broadcast companies in the world of e-Sports. We will continue to do our best for the development of e-Sports, and to that end we will improve the quality of matches and add features that will create competitive factors for the enjoyment of the audience. As always, we are deeply thankful for your understanding and support, and we are always open to your thoughts opinions. Thank you, Mike Morhaime" http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/GOMTV_Classic + Show Spoiler + As of October 2009, the future of GOMTV tournament seem to be in jeopardy. Only 5 teams have said that they are interested in competing in the GOMTV tournament while the other teams have backed out, claiming the workload on the players is too high. There seems to be another reason, supposedly, which is the fight between Blizzard and KeSPA over the rights to StarCraft II tournaments, and KeSPA is believed to have ordered some of the teams to back out from the GOMTV Classic. | ||
Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
On April 26 2012 19:58 Djagulingu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote: The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight. TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash. Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it. But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them. What. KeSPA is terrible. The way they run things is a huge reason of why BW never really got out of Korea. Look at SC2 without them and how quickly it took off. | ||
Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49497 Posts
On April 26 2012 20:25 Venomsflame wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 19:58 Djagulingu wrote: On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote: The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight. TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash. Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it. But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them. What. KeSPA is terrible. The way they run things is a huge reason of why BW never really got out of Korea. Look at SC2 without them and how quickly it took off. yeah but at the same time they way they run things is the reason why BW lasts this long. | ||
Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On April 26 2012 20:25 Venomsflame wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 19:58 Djagulingu wrote: On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote: The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight. TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash. Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it. But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them. What. KeSPA is terrible. The way they run things is a huge reason of why BW never really got out of Korea. Look at SC2 without them and how quickly it took off. That's a bit of a faulty logic. You can't conclude that it was the lack of Kespa that made sc2 take off, in fact I find that conclusion highly suspsicious. | ||
FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
On April 26 2012 19:31 bhfberserk wrote: BW pros will probably re-invent how sc2 is played. Cannot wait to see legends showing us crazy strats and micro Don't count on it. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49497 Posts
On April 26 2012 20:38 Djabanete wrote: They're... they're bringing back the MSL? maybe, who knows, there is a cause for excitement for anyone who want to be excited for this announcement of an announcement. | ||
OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On April 26 2012 20:25 Venomsflame wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 19:58 Djagulingu wrote: On April 26 2012 19:50 Aetherial wrote: The involvement of KESPA in anything like this always makes me anxious. Their organisational culture has been to command & conquer with an iron fist, their past actions and current BW structure show this. Knowing the corporate world, there will be a lot of political power plays going on in the background right now. I'm sure Blizzard and GOM will be wary of KESPA, so it will be interesting to see what agreement comes out. I'm really hoping KESPA will be marginalized, but I'm sure they won't do so without a fight. TBH I feel sorry for GOM and the participating GSL SC2 teams, they have done all the heavy lifting to bring the global SC2 and Korean SC2 scenes together. My bet would be that KESPA's plan will be to play nice at first, extract all the value, and then strong arm them into submission. Blizzard won't really care as long as they continue to make mountains of cash. Considering you only have joined in 2010 and how deep of a knowledge you have on KeSPA and their organizational culture, I have to ask you about which sources you use for your credibility. I wonder that too. As far as I know, KeSPA (despite all their mistakes in the past) ran the scene quite well up to now. For more than 10 years. Their only major mistake is (in my opinion) to try and exclude GOM and now they are fixing it. But as I have said before, I like to learn further about KeSPA and what makes you anxious about them. What. KeSPA is terrible. The way they run things is a huge reason of why BW never really got out of Korea. Look at SC2 without them and how quickly it took off. sc2 took off everywhere except korea without kespa. | ||
Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
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