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ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
April 13 2012 22:56 GMT
#181
It's especially interesting when you're bronze and you see that the person you've lost to is, well, MASTERS. T.T Although I did have some fun.
CygNus X-1
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada169 Posts
April 13 2012 23:00 GMT
#182
Hard to believe you played a masters when you re in bronze. Sorry bub.
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Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
April 13 2012 23:01 GMT
#183
On April 14 2012 07:51 UpooPoo wrote:
I thought it was great, I didn't play against anyone easier, only "Favored" and "Slightly Favored" opponents. I thought it was really upping the difficulty level for me which I enjoyed.


thats like that for everyone at the start of a new season because your points are compared to your opponents MMR and his points to your MMR. everyone has 0 points at start of a season and now guess why everyone was favored vs you. yes 1+1=2
MF_Icy
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden99 Posts
April 13 2012 23:16 GMT
#184
I feel like the previously mentioned "I don't want to play worse/better players" issue often only applies to the far extremes of the ranking (Bronze & Grandmaster). Blizzard could implement some function within the ladder where the extremes of the ladder are not included (Silver--Masters can still have high variance, while the ultra casuals at Bronze and the gosu players at Grandmasters are not included). I feel that if you are anywhere from Silver to Master league, any high variance is simply good practice. If you are in Bronze, you can very easily ladder with other Bronze players and become better, as even playing Silvers can be an excessive test of your (most likely) very low skill. If you are in Grandmasters, you more than likely have many practice partners/do not find it necessary to play worse players simply for the added "security" in terms of testing builds, and you don't have to deal with gaining 1 point after winning against a low Masters and losing 20 when you do poorly versus people around your skill level. I did not like the change as it was, however I feel they could have changed some of what it applies to instead of removing it.
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
April 13 2012 23:56 GMT
#185
On April 13 2012 15:41 niteReloaded wrote:
This would be a perfectly good adition to the personal options....
"I don't mind playing weaker opponents" [ ]
"I don't mind playing stronger opponents" [X]

Sure, it would only work in cases where the weak and strong are looking for each other, but things like that make the service better.


Yeah, in HoN I know there's an option when you queue up for "shorter queues or fair matches" or something like that.
I think it's pretty good. In SC2 the queue times are generally pretty short imo though, so not much of an issue.
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AzureHath
Profile Joined October 2011
Bulgaria154 Posts
April 14 2012 00:27 GMT
#186
Well that didn't take long.
Lower level players had a tough time for the duration of this so called new matchmaking system though :/
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GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
April 14 2012 02:13 GMT
#187
Weirdly enough, from the start of season 7, I, a low bronze nublet, ended up on a 17 game winning streak.

I'm not sure if I got some freaky, freaky draw there or something, but it doesn't seem right that I ended up absolutely roflstomping the ladder during a time when I should have been given stronger opponents.
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LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 14 2012 02:30 GMT
#188
I didn't enjoy the match making change.
I basically had a 80% winrate in diamond, and got top 3 before the ladder lock came and ended up in diamond again :/
Essentially, I was winning all my low tier games, barely squeaking out games or just getting squashed against mid-high masters, my combined record during the ladder change was 8-14
Which I think dropped my MMR by quite a bit.
These games weren't really helping me better because I felt like I was just getting outplayed and squashed, or the game was just ridiculously easy for me to win (aka 1a terran pushes = gg)
Since the change I'm back to 12-3, meeting just diamond-low masters, game feels a bit more competitive but still one-sided due to my MMR plummetting facing nothing but masters players for a 6-7 games in a row. Hopefully blizzard keeps this method
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 14 2012 02:35 GMT
#189
On April 14 2012 06:58 Innovation wrote:
I found it kind of annoying because I'd win against a masters player (play is relatively predictable and makes sense) and then lose to a platinum player that did an all in I haven't seen in months and forgot even existed.

BTW....platinum players seem like the most BM of all players...many think they're really good and call people newbs a lot. And not even after the game but at the start, during, and after regardless if they win or not.

Just found it annoying.


I disagree. my time in platinum, it was fairly good manners. Nothing bad, nothing good.
The worst is high-diamond-low masters level.Every single game they seem to lose, its some random excuse, some race imbal or they choose to hurl unnecessary insults at me which is sort of humourous and annoying at the same time.

But yes, platinum players are a lot less predictable because they'll just do somthing unexpected and throw you off.

On April 14 2012 07:06 Romitelli wrote:
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On April 14 2012 06:58 Innovation wrote:
I found it kind of annoying because I'd win against a masters player (play is relatively predictable and makes sense) and then lose to a platinum player that did an all in I haven't seen in months and forgot even existed.

BTW....platinum players seem like the most BM of all players...many think they're really good and call people newbs a lot. And not even after the game but at the start, during, and after regardless if they win or not.

Just found it annoying.


You got matched with Masters and Platinum players? I find this highly unlikely.

I played around 10-15 games since the start of the season and, being mid diamond, I faced: 2 or 3 high diamond players and ONE #1 ranked platinum player who was like on a 10 game winning streak. The rest were all around my level.



It's likely. I can attest to it. I got put up with during my 8-14 run witih the ladder match making..3 high plats, 3 low masters, 5 mid masters and 2 high masters :/..and 11 diamonds...
GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
April 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#190
On April 13 2012 15:41 niteReloaded wrote:
This would be a perfectly good adition to the personal options....
"I don't mind playing weaker opponents" [ ]
"I don't mind playing stronger opponents" [X]

Sure, it would only work in cases where the weak and strong are looking for each other, but things like that make the service better.


I like you and this suggestion. I would probably ladder more if I could always have the chance to play people considered stronger than me. I haven't laddered for almost 2 seasons =/ I just don't like facing people who are considered my skill level, or in my MMR. I came from AoK days where you could face people who are top of the line and you learn so much faster getting your face smashed in over and over eventually beating those people.
He who conquers the past rules the future, He who conquers the future rules the past. - C&C Red Alert
reyder
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States71 Posts
April 14 2012 05:26 GMT
#191
Thank you sooo much!
NGUNS!
deathabene
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark83 Posts
April 14 2012 07:59 GMT
#192
thnaks for this no more cheeses
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NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
April 14 2012 08:36 GMT
#193
sad... i was playing so many Plats and had an okay winning record... (4-5 i think... i am gold on SEA) now back to playing golds... less chance of promotion IMO.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-14 08:42:48
April 14 2012 08:42 GMT
#194
edit: woops wrong thread.
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DawN883
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden558 Posts
April 14 2012 09:04 GMT
#195
:S Didn't have time to test the changes. But by the looks of everything it didn't seem so good
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[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-14 14:11:23
April 14 2012 14:09 GMT
#196
In the two days, only few games were played. Over the long run, no-one would be able to sustain 80% win rate or getting crushed endlessly. The small sample of game played is no good indicator of the quality of the tested new search range. It would be possbile to ensure almost anyone nearly perfect 50% winrate without too large win or loss streaks, but that wouldn't feel very natural. (If you above 50%, you get too hard guys, otherwise you get too weak opponents.)


On April 14 2012 06:02 striderxxx wrote:
can't they just make GM players have the old MM and everyone else the new way?

Match making works both ways. If you have master players with loosened search range, they still get (too many?) GM players. While it should be possible, to widen the search range only for the leagues in the middle, it is not that easy.
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
April 14 2012 14:13 GMT
#197
On April 13 2012 15:41 niteReloaded wrote:
This would be a perfectly good adition to the personal options....
"I don't mind playing weaker opponents" [ ]
"I don't mind playing stronger opponents" [X]

Sure, it would only work in cases where the weak and strong are looking for each other, but things like that make the service better.


I agree with this. I would prefer to mostly play against weaker opponents since I would like to win about 75% of my matches. At the same time some players may want harder opponents so this would benefits everyone.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
April 14 2012 15:28 GMT
#198
So I wasn't going to comment on it at first but since it keeps being brought up the "I don't mind playing weaker/stronger opponents" checkbox selection is a really bad way to do the system. A much better way would just be to allow you to play with the more relaxed method but only either higher or lower depending on your current wins or losses to more quickly allow people to end up where they're meant to be on ladder, so that the system can more easily get people in to fun games.
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deathserv
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States228 Posts
April 14 2012 16:47 GMT
#199
On April 13 2012 15:41 dronefarm wrote:
I'm disapointed. Since we can not reset our accounts, I think this was the best solution to have some variance. Just playing against players your skill level is not the best way to improve. Day9 did an old podcast where he talks about this. http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/intrigue/Day90006PlayAgainstWorsePlay.mp3

You need to play against worse players to be comforatable enough to try some new stuff without the fear of instantly losing, and you need to test those ideas against better players to make sure you're not doing anything that can be punished. The only way to do this before the ladder reformat was buying multiple accounts, which a lot of people who play starcraft can't really afford (ie high school, and college students). I wish they'd just let you reset your account when you wanted to.


Been busy and I didn't even get a chance to try it out yet... I was kind of interested in seeing what it would be like. I am at Mid-Low masters now so I was playing a mix of Masters and Diamond. I was hoping to have a more varied experience, because right now, every game is kind of frustrating. "Too even" means I have no chances to test my skill or try stuff out dronefarm said.
GhostBusters
Profile Joined July 2010
United States198 Posts
April 14 2012 20:18 GMT
#200
It kinda felt more relaxing to play =P oh well, still love sc2 no matter who i face.
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