Where did all of the terrans go? - Page 61

On March 16 2012 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Touche.

By the way, did you see the showmatches between WhiteRa and DeMuslim played a few hours ago? DeMuslim stomped WhiteRa in pretty much every single one, and WhiteRa lost to all sorts of variations... early game pressure, late game pressure, even mech. It's a pity too, considering WhiteRa was playing really well (and had been practicing for a little while beforehand). DeMuslim's a very solid player. They both are.

I forget what races they play though. Probably not relevant to this thread.

On March 16 2012 12:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


That's rather interesting. Why don't you check up on the historical TvP (or TvZ for that matter) winrates and get back to me. Pretty sure Protoss has a winning record (higher than 50%) in maybe... 2? 3?... months since the game came out. Terran has been roflstomping Protoss hard for the entire history of the game.

Actually, I'll do your research for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bottom left is the TvP graph. See all those really high blue bars? Yeah, that's Terran.

Keep on whining.

EDIT: TvZ is worse! LOL.

On March 16 2012 12:21 Plansix wrote:


Ok, clearly you believe I take all the whining in this thread seriously and I am trying to convince you of something. You have shown through out your posts in this thread that no argument, reasoning or information will have any effect on what you post. There is no debating with you or the other whiners in this thread. If there are problems with terran and their ability late game, your arguments do nothing to surface or correct those issues. If there was any valuable discussion to be had on the issue, it is eclipsed by other players whining that the game is to hard for them.

All you do is endlessly post that protoss is easier and terran is to difficult for you to be good with. I personally find this sort of behavior disgusting in a game that is all about competitiveness. So, in response, I have chosen to mock you and all your silly posts about how terrible all protoss players are.

On March 16 2012 12:26 Plansix wrote:


I watched them a bit and it was pretty exciting. DeMuslim was willing to break from the standard terran mold and did pretty well. I really enjoyed the use of hellion, which are under explored. They can do damage so quickly and can be super hard to kill if the terran is smart with them and doesn't try to push it.

On March 16 2012 12:41 ChaosTerran wrote:


I didn't know every terran player plays at pro level. Why don't you quote blizzard instead and how they told us that outside of GM terran is doing the worst of all 3 races as I believe that to be alot more relevant to this thread.



What argument have you put forward so far that actually refutes anything of what I said? So far it's your word against my word and I think my word is a lot more reliable than yours simply because I do actually play all races, not just one.

You claim that protoss needs more then one hotkey, I told you that you can simply tab between sentries and HTs. You claim that terran can simply "stim and a move and have vikings on the same hotkey", I told you that terran has to stutter step and can't have vikings on the same hotkey since they wouldn't shoot when you stutter step your bio.

All of what you said is pretty much bullshit and I explained exactly why it is bullshit. You claim that I don't listen to arguments. That's wrong, I read your posts and refuted every single one of your claims. A discussion with you is actually pointless because you don't even acknowlede the fact that you were wrong and I understand more about the gameplay of all races because right now I actually main protoss and not terran. So what's next? I can't wait for the next ridiculous claim of yours which I will have to refute just so you can tell me that I don't listen to anything other people say. If that was the case, then how do I know what your argument was, according to you I didn't even read or pay any attention to it. Liar.

On March 16 2012 12:51 Plansix wrote:


This is why I find the majority of your arguments silly and dumb. You are so set on proving that protoss is so much easier that terran that you missed the key, critical fact about that post.

I was being fucking sarcastic. I was making fun of your previous post and how poorly framed the argument was. I do not believe that terran is a 1A army. I don't believe any of the races have 1A armies. I believe terran is a hard race to play, just like protoss, just like zerg.

On March 16 2012 12:26 Plansix wrote:


I watched them a bit and it was pretty exciting. DeMuslim was willing to break from the standard terran mold and did pretty well. I really enjoyed the use of hellion, which are under explored. They can do damage so quickly and can be super hard to kill if the terran is smart with them and doesn't try to push it.

On March 16 2012 12:55 ChaosTerran wrote:


And I tell you that protoss is easier than terran. What's the problem? I actually play both races, so I can tell, why don't you play both races first before you judge how hard they are? I find it ridiculous how people like you come in here, people that are too ignorant to even try to play a different race for a longer period of time and tell others how hard the game is. I can tell from my first hand experience that protoss is easier. Now you can talk all you want, but until you have experienced this yourself there is absolutely no point in even discussing this.

On March 16 2012 13:12 NoctemSC wrote:

This times 1000 percent. Hellions are super underused. I am a huge fan of hellion play. With this new hybrid hellion coming into HoTS I think it will drastically change not only TvZ but TvP as well (I'm looking at your zealots)

On March 16 2012 13:13 Plansix wrote:


First off, what makes you think I have not played terran? I main protoss, but that is because I think the zealot is bad ass and looks awesome. That is really the sole reason behind my main race choice, but I have dabbled in all three.

I don't agree and I do not belittle my opponents by claiming one race is easier than another. If you have an easier time with protoss than terran, that is great for you. Clearly you have found the race that suits your play style. But I do not take your opinion as fact or reality. And really, why should I? You are one player out of the thousands on Team Liquid and tens of thousands that play Starcraft 2. What makes your more qualified to talk about the issue over anyone else? How about the post below from another terran player:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319705&currentpage=58#1153

He says in so many words that protoss is hard and people shouldn't make it sound easy. Also, his arguments are far better constructed and more reasonable than yours. Can you come up with any other reason why I should believe you beyond calling me ignorant and calling my arguments bullshit?

And what makes you think I have not played terran? I main protoss, but that is because I think the zealot is bad ass and looks awesome. I like the fact that they punch things that upset them, with lasers. That is really the sole reason behind my main race choice, but I have dabbled in all three.

On March 16 2012 13:19 YyapSsap wrote:
Hellions haven't been explored? Are you guys kidding me? smh..

On March 16 2012 12:55 ChaosTerran wrote:


And I tell you that protoss is easier than terran. What's the problem? I actually play both races, so I can tell, why don't you play both races first before you judge how hard they are? I find it ridiculous how people like you come in here, people that are too ignorant to even try to play a different race for a longer period of time and tell others how hard the game is. I can tell from my first hand experience that protoss is easier. Now you can talk all you want, but until you have experienced this yourself there is absolutely no point in even discussing this.

On March 16 2012 13:27 prOxi.FighT wrote:


Even if Terran is harder at lower levels. Why does it matter to you? if you are worried about how hard Terran is to play then you are obviously not playing for competitive purposes (btw I am a Terran player). So just enjoy playing whatever race you want to play.

If you are playing competitively you should be more worried about how blizzard almost halved the damage of snipe in one patch! Hahahaha. Seriously wth lol? Marines are considered OP as well, perhaps they should nerf marine base damage to 3!

On March 16 2012 13:22 ChaosTerran wrote:



You claim his argument is well constructed simply because it matches with your own opinion. my argument was correct aswell. I explained why terran is harder simply because we need more hotkeys, more micro and have a weaker lategame. Now, you can keep cherrypicking and only listen to the arguments that you agree with, as that is by definition just pure ignorance. So my assessment was correct, you are ignorant and quite clearly a waste of my time.

And your arguments? Your argument is that all races are equally hard to play, which isn't only just your opinion, it's also practically impossible. Even in BW terran was by far the hardest race and people came to accept that after a while and it will be the same in SC2. I find it absolutely ridiculous how, out of the millions of responses, you pick the one that actually agrees with what you said just to prove your point. I could go ahead and quote cloud or morrow to prove that what I said is correct, but what's the point? You prove an opinion by quoting an opinion?

Why did you not quote alextrasas' post? His argument was well thought out and he made some good points, you didn't even respond to it. But let me guess, its because he disagrees entirely with what you think? Well and you wonder why I called you ignorant. And no, I won't take the bait, you can keep calling my arguments "silly and stupid" and indirectly insult me, but all that shows is that you are immature and not capable of actually having a discussion with someone else.



Well, it doesn't matter. In their own little world everything they say makes complete sense and anyone else will just be ignored or their arguments will be deemed stupid and unreasonable. But yeah, it's not like hellions got nerfed because of how good they were and absolutely everyone was using them, unexplored. Yes.

On March 11 2012 11:17 Severus_ wrote:
All the terrans are in GM thats why

On March 16 2012 12:53 Alexstrasas wrote:
I consider myself as a reasonable person, so altough some stuff that i will say may sound harsh, i say it as i see it and if things were different i would have no problem admiting it.

Here is my input as a terran player that stopped playing in December and also as general spectator:

Overall i dont feel like the game is balanced at all, alot of the game mechanics seem really badly thought out, and while the win percentages may or not be close i dont think all the races require the same ammount of effort to be played at the same level.

By taking a simple look at the basic mechanics you can see that a sample group of typicly used protoss and zerg units can perform more or less efficiently being a-moved while a sample group of terran units needs to be constantly microed to just be able to compete with the other two races.
Meaning: if you dont constantly split, kite and spread your shit you die.
This alone is a gross overlook in game design that dates to SCBW, but in SC2 there are other mechanics that make this game less competitive, like adding on top of this the rediclous late game aoe shitfest like broodlords/banelings/infestors or colossus+storms

Other various mechanics are also silly and uneven, the warpgate allows to warp in units directly by the enemy base, thus denying defenders advantage and allowing you to constanly reinforce across the map, also allows you to warp in units to defend a drop (like zergs fast units+creep), while Terran has no means to reinforce that quickly across the map and also has no real way of defending a drop besides investing massive ammounts of minerals in full turret rings (wich sometimes can be bypassed anyway).
Also the larva inject creates a situation were zerg can instantly make a rediclous ammount of unkown units, terran has no way of dealing with this besides flipping a coin and hoping his setup is correct.

I do find awkward that ppl find strange that there are less and less terrans, most of the casters are protoss, and most of the vocal community is zerg/protoss. Like 2-3 months before i stopped playing the protosses were in a slump and started whining that terran is op and emp needs a nerf, 2-3 months later emp got nerfed. Right as i was quitting zergs started whining about snipe, i even joked with my friends that they will probably nerf snipe because of the whines. Guess what? 2-3 months later im not surprised.