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well as a random player I can tell you that i find zvp or pvz about the same difficulty. as a toss i must get that mothership, as a zerg is brood/infestors. But what is true is that in diamond there isn't such a big 3rd base push/counterpush and the mechanics will not compare to master. That's why I will not argue with you about the difficulty when both players will do far less mistakes, because I'm not at your level yet.
For me ghost were ok before push, because at this level my terran opponents didn't have the apm/micro required. Far more time they lead with their clumped up ghosts and i could fungal and gg.
As for tvp late game this is like hitting a wall. Late game i can only win if the toss makes 1 observer, which i snipe and the toss just stays there while i carpet emp him. 5% of games. The rest it's no chance for terran at this level, because at this level players don't have the apm to split, position and all the stuff a GM will do.
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Protoss players, you do realize a ton of pages ago, high masters random players posted their TvP and PvT records...go look for those..as well as pros that stated their opinions too...sure, might be biased to their own race but still..
Kiting is a lot harder than you think. You NEED EMPs, you NEED to kite, or you lose. You need to do it all in an instant. If you miss one HT you're screwed. Did I mention you need to be macroing the entire time or else you die? And if
Protoss loses the fight...cool story bro, good luck trying to kill Protoss. Owait, you can't, because chargelots are just that good. And if you lose thr fight...you lose the game.
posted on phone, sry for any words mispelled T_T
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On April 05 2012 15:04 Cyclone999 wrote:
Protoss players, you do realize a ton of pages ago, high masters random players posted their TvP and PvT records...go look for those..as well as pros that stated their opinions too...sure, might be biased to their own race but still..
Kiting is a lot harder than you think. You NEED EMPs, you NEED to kite, or you lose. You need to do it all in an instant. If you miss one HT you're screwed. Did I mention you need to be macroing the entire time or else you die? And if
Protoss loses the fight...cool story bro, good luck trying to kill Protoss. Owait, you can't, because chargelots are just that good. And if you lose thr fight...you lose the game.
posted on phone, sry for any words mispelled T_T
I feel so sorry for you. Everything is against your race. Its hard to kite for you, you need to macro, you must not miss any EMPs, and most of all, you can't kill chargelots whatever you do, maybe you shouldn't be playing sc2 if you can't kill a zealot.
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On April 05 2012 15:13 pOnarreT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 15:04 Cyclone999 wrote:
Protoss players, you do realize a ton of pages ago, high masters random players posted their TvP and PvT records...go look for those..as well as pros that stated their opinions too...sure, might be biased to their own race but still..
Kiting is a lot harder than you think. You NEED EMPs, you NEED to kite, or you lose. You need to do it all in an instant. If you miss one HT you're screwed. Did I mention you need to be macroing the entire time or else you die? And if
Protoss loses the fight...cool story bro, good luck trying to kill Protoss. Owait, you can't, because chargelots are just that good. And if you lose thr fight...you lose the game.
posted on phone, sry for any words mispelled T_T I feel so sorry for you. Everything is against your race. Its hard to kite for you, you need to macro, you must not miss any EMPs, and most of all, you can't kill chargelots whatever you do, maybe you shouldn't be playing sc2 if you can't kill a zealot.
He is not saying a zealot, he is saying a group of chargelots. You try nailing your emps, spreading like a boss and managing to eek out a win against a maxed toss army, then have 20 charglots warped in right after. It's fucking tough man. Asking a mid level player to kite charglots is daunting.
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Add Sen to the growing list of pros switching to Protoss Y_Y
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On April 05 2012 15:29 SupLilSon wrote:
Add Sen to the growing list of pros switching to Protoss Y_Y
SEn play Zerg and has always offrace as protoss occasionaly. He even did it during beta. ( Forcefield imba ! video:p )
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On April 05 2012 16:01 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 15:29 SupLilSon wrote:
Add Sen to the growing list of pros switching to Protoss Y_Y SEn play Zerg and has always offrace as protoss occasionaly. He even did it during beta. ( Forcefield imba ! video:p )
I know, I used to watch his stream about a year ago? I remember him playing random on KR server and laughing at how easy toss was for him ;\
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On April 05 2012 15:04 Cyclone999 wrote:
Protoss players, you do realize a ton of pages ago, high masters random players posted their TvP and PvT records...go look for those..as well as pros that stated their opinions too...sure, might be biased to their own race but still..
Kiting is a lot harder than you think. You NEED EMPs, you NEED to kite, or you lose. You need to do it all in an instant. If you miss one HT you're screwed. Did I mention you need to be macroing the entire time or else you die? And if
Protoss loses the fight...cool story bro, good luck trying to kill Protoss. Owait, you can't, because chargelots are just that good. And if you lose thr fight...you lose the game.
posted on phone, sry for any words mispelled T_T
I couldn't understand why you target protoss players. I am a protoss player and agree with your comments. It is harder to play terran vs. protoss at late game. I admit it. So?
What can protoss player do about it? We don't have any permission to do balance changes. If you really want to do something, then please "Stop flaming to protoss players and target Blizzard!!!"
Protoss struggle nearly half of the last year and if you force your brain a little harder, you can remember crying zealot posters everywhere, it is not even funny.
QQ as much as you can but your address is not protoss players. It is either Blizzard or yourself..
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I think the 193 pages worth of bumps have shown that the terrans have devoted themselves to forum lurking rather than playing.
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On April 05 2012 16:25 Stropheum wrote:
I think the 193 pages worth of bumps have shown that the terrans have devoted themselves to forum lurking rather than playing.
I think that does not argue against the thread's point in any way.
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On April 05 2012 16:25 Stropheum wrote:
I think the 193 pages worth of bumps have shown that the terrans have devoted themselves to forum lurking rather than playing.
I don't get it, why would a zerg player make a comment like this?
Did you visit these forums at all during the first year of SC2?
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On April 05 2012 16:35 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:25 Stropheum wrote:
I think the 193 pages worth of bumps have shown that the terrans have devoted themselves to forum lurking rather than playing. I don't get it, why would a zerg player make a comment like this? Did you visit these forums at all during the first year of SC2?
the fun part is whenever some kind of conclusion has been reached, nonterrans bump the thread and fuel the fire so we can go for another round, i think everything that needed to be said has been said every 30 pages, it's like Groundhog Day!
(the movie)
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On April 05 2012 16:43 Naphal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:35 Bagi wrote:On April 05 2012 16:25 Stropheum wrote:
I think the 193 pages worth of bumps have shown that the terrans have devoted themselves to forum lurking rather than playing. I don't get it, why would a zerg player make a comment like this? Did you visit these forums at all during the first year of SC2? the fun part is whenever some kind of conclusion has been reached, nonterrans bump the thread and fuel the fire so we can go for another round, i think everything that needed to be said has been said every 30 pages, it's like Groundhog Day! (the movie)
If we keep on trying, maybe we can get it right!
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I'm a terran player all my life. After a frustrated break I'm currently ~rank 10-20 diamond. I haven't played a single game a protoss on the ladder (maybe 2 accidental games in custom a year ago). I personally think I can beat any protoss player that is currently at my level or up to low masters who hasn't played any terran if we swap races.
Proposed format:
Both players get 1 week preparation.
Bo9 format.
The protoss player can have a experience as terran if we add the following condition: Terran needs to play a macro game (having 55+ worker and a 3rd base before the deciding engagement).
Anyone up for a try?
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On April 05 2012 16:25 Stropheum wrote:
I think the 193 pages worth of bumps have shown that the terrans have devoted themselves to forum lurking rather than playing.
Not true unfortunately. This thread is mostly Protoss players in denial.
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On April 05 2012 16:45 LavaLava wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:43 Naphal wrote:On April 05 2012 16:35 Bagi wrote:On April 05 2012 16:25 Stropheum wrote:
I think the 193 pages worth of bumps have shown that the terrans have devoted themselves to forum lurking rather than playing. I don't get it, why would a zerg player make a comment like this? Did you visit these forums at all during the first year of SC2? the fun part is whenever some kind of conclusion has been reached, nonterrans bump the thread and fuel the fire so we can go for another round, i think everything that needed to be said has been said every 30 pages, it's like Groundhog Day! (the movie) If we keep on trying, maybe we can get it right!
but we are not as cool as bill murray -.- how could we possibly?!
anyways i have the feeling this thread will not be discarded until the 1.5 balance changes are announced.
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On April 05 2012 16:56 Naphal wrote:
anyways i have the feeling this thread will not be discarded until the 1.5 balance changes are announced.
What makes you think that there will be any balance changes in 1.5 patch?
It's supposed to be a feature patch and besides - terran was always balanced around Koreans and they still manage to somehow win in TvP.
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On April 05 2012 17:23 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:56 Naphal wrote:
anyways i have the feeling this thread will not be discarded until the 1.5 balance changes are announced. What makes you think that there will be any balance changes in 1.5 patch? It's supposed to be a feature patch and besides - terran was always balanced around Koreans and they still manage to somehow win in TvP.
if there are none, terrans continue, if there are some, the races that got nerfed or did not get buffed will whine, either way someone WILL!
edit: and when there is a new shiny thread to ruin why use the boring old 200+ pages by then?
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On April 05 2012 17:23 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:56 Naphal wrote:
anyways i have the feeling this thread will not be discarded until the 1.5 balance changes are announced. What makes you think that there will be any balance changes in 1.5 patch? It's supposed to be a feature patch and besides - terran was always balanced around Koreans and they still manage to somehow win in TvP.
There hasn't been a major patch that didn't include balance changes.
I'm sure there will be something, not necessarily terran buffs but something.
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Well TvP lategame can certainly be hard, and im whining often enough...
But fact remains, if Terran plays well and micros the fight right, he can crush Toss even lategame, many pros show us that its even Terran favoured in the highest level because of the fact that Toss cant really micro on the same high level that these terrans do.
Sadly we cant really do anythng about it but play better. Everytime i sit down and look what the pros do and work on these engagements, it works better after and i get good success. Only when i get angry and "just play" i loose horribly, so i suggest to try harder and wait if blizz gives P more micro potential to make them work more for the same goal (Charge micro, dont know what else, the'll find something).
cheers
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