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Scorm
United States104 Posts
On March 11 2012 11:30 scarper65 wrote: We keep getting nerfed. Basically, this is why. I am not whining about balance, just stating the obvious. One can look in the patch notes and easily see that over the course of almost two years that Protoss has continually received buffs and Terran has generally been nerfed. I play Random, so I remain neutral, but the Protoss buffs are really good. We will see what happens in the metagame. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:09 The KY wrote: Lol dontcha just hate it when some people are like 'we protoss/zerg/terran never whine! We're made of sterner stuff, all the times we've been nerfed we just played better because WE'RE MEN. GRRR.' like playing a certain race in starcraft actually means you have share certain characteristics with everyone who does. well, thats actually what terrans are saying: Terrans share the characteristic of having more skill... Terrans in Korea are just better... Terrans are better at multitasking... bullshit like that is writen all over pages of all those "Terran UP/too hard" threads | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:17 Big J wrote: well, thats actually what terrans are saying: Terrans share the characteristic of having more skill... Terrans in Korea are just better... Terrans are better at multitasking... bullshit like that is writen all over pages of all those "Terran UP/too hard" threads Yeah, don't you just hate it? You're doing it as well, splitting the community into T/P/Z like it actually matters in any context outside of the ladder. SOME terrans are saying that. EVERY race has balance whiners, and a few of them are in this thread. | ||
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Stipulation
United States587 Posts
40 P 35 Z 24 T in my last 99 games | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:14 NoctemSC wrote: you really think that the only people who vote on polls are Terran trying to form some conspiracy? You're delusional. not what I was saying. I was saying this is a Terran topic with Terran in the Name and therefore way more Terrans read and post and vote in this thread, than the other players. | ||
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KingOfAmerica
United States246 Posts
And yeah. People are quitting on terran because it has been the hardest race to play, and since it became vogue to qq about it since MVP is better then other players it got nerfed solidly. That can be a bit disheartening at times. And yeah, Im top 8 plat playing diamond and according to sc2 gears I get terrans 24% of the time over last 100 games. Real tough at that skill level | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:20 The KY wrote: Yeah, don't you just hate it? You're doing it as well, splitting the community into T/P/Z like it actually matters in any context outside of the ladder. SOME terrans are saying that. EVERY race has balance whiners, and a few of them are in this thread. it's superannoying. and I didnt meant to say all Terrans do so, but yeah... it sounded like that. my appologies for that! | ||
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greenknight999
69 Posts
I think Terran rewards micro the best of the three races, but also punishes it the most. I feel many of the ex-Terrans have switched after falsely believing that Terran is UP because of their poor micro. If switching to alternate races keeps these players in starcraft then that is good, better then them quitting altogether. Also I feel Terran was always over-represented for its playstyle in player share and that is in no small part due to the WoL being the Terran release for SC2. The glory hunters have also switched to protoss. | ||
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CptCutter
United Kingdom370 Posts
On March 11 2012 11:19 LaLuSh wrote: Statement based on a sample size of: 15 -> Probability of thread being closed: 1 woah this guy understands what to post and cant predict the future either (thread is not closed) @OP: its really frustrating, i literally get streaks of 5-6 games with just tvp and it is really annoying since its by far my weakest matchup. i often think that the matchmaking system is bugged or just hates me =( | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:17 Big J wrote: well, thats actually what terrans are saying: Terrans share the characteristic of having more skill... Terrans in Korea are just better... Terrans are better at multitasking... bullshit like that is writen all over pages of all those "Terran UP/too hard" threads While a bit offtopic,this test might disagree with you guys that people of certain race in general don't share common characteristics. And concerning korean terrans, they are ofcourse just so much better than their zerg/toss counterparts, because the race offers more micro potential. I'm sure korean z/p would be as awesome given the same potential(which is what should be the top concern of blizzard for balance, else terran just needs to keep getting nerfed every time the koreans get a better, making it always more and more unplayable for us mere terran mortals). | ||
Olli
Austria24420 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:25 KingOfAmerica wrote: And yeah. People are quitting on terran because it has been the hardest race to play, and since it became vogue to qq about it since MVP is better then other players it got nerfed solidly. That can be a bit disheartening at times. I think it was because (roughly, lol) 99% of code S were terrans, 80% of which were and are less skilled than the upcoming code A players at that time like DRG, HerO, etc. Basically the "fodder" in code s were all terrans and they were still doing better than the best protoss and zerg players in the world. Except for Nestea maybe. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
1 base all ins with 1 tank and 8 marines completely fucking Zerg in the first 8 mins of the game are drawing to a close along with the infamous 1/1/1 v Protoss. The maps are getting bigger and looking at season 7, Blizzard looks to wanting to add more GSL maps in future.This means more Macro orientated games where mid to late game happen more often with less free wins. They now have to work for a win. Cheese is still in the game but its success rate is dropping, so people who like to get most of their wins via these tactics are bitching like little kids. Remember Silver v Idra games, well where is Silver now?, hes fucking no where to be seen Terran is still a fantastic race to play but this thread is not about that, its about people who want easy wins. Most tournaments are won by Koreans simply because they are the best players respective of race choice and it seems pretty well spread out between the 3 races, long may it continue | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:22 Big J wrote: not what I was saying. I was saying this is a Terran topic with Terran in the Name and therefore way more Terrans read and post and vote in this thread, than the other players. You can't prove that though. Everyone feels strong about balance so if you see a thread that you suspect to be about balance in this forum you are likely to click on it especially if it stays at the top for a long time. I often click on threads that are likely to contain protoss or zerg balance discussions to leave my opinion if I think that it matters. Also if you look at the numbers this thread contains it's obvious that there is a significant difference in the number of players in certain leagues so speculating about the reasons can hardly be called senseless balance whining. If there was no one thinking about gameplay and balance we would still play on steps of war so we should embrace educated balance discussions instead of making them about racewars everytime. | ||
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:35 Topdoller wrote: I think now that Blizzard is now starting to use good maps instead of shit like Steps of War is the reason Terran's are switching races. The days of 2 raxxing, bunker rushing and ban-cheese are dying off. 1 base all ins with 1 tank and 8 marines completely fucking Zerg in the first 8 mins of the game are drawing to a close along with the infamous 1/1/1 v Protoss. The maps are getting bigger and looking at season 7, Blizzard looks to wanting to add more GSL maps in future.This means more Macro orientated games where mid to late game happen more often with less free wins. They now have to work for a win. Cheese is still in the game but its success rate is dropping, so people who like to get most of their wins via these tactics are bitching like little kids. Remember Silver v Idra games, well where is Silver now?, hes fucking no where to be seen Terran is still a fantastic race to play but this thread is not about that, its about people who want easy wins. Most tournaments are won by Koreans simply because they are the best players respective of race choice and it seems pretty well spread out between the 3 races, long may it continue Actually you're wrong, no where in the OP did I state I wanted easy wins, I asked a simple question, why are there less terrans. Don't presume that you know why each and every Terran player is losing. Your generalizations are crap, just as all generalizations are. You act like Terran are the only race that has cheese tactics, you'd be wrong on that front too. I'm a heavy macro player player with aggressive openings into expands. If the consensus is that Terran late game is crap, it would make sense that Terrans would be forced into using extremely early pressure no? I can break it down for you why Terran late game is the worst of the three if you'd like but it wouldn't be relevant to my original question, just as your lousy presumptions are not. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Then Protoss started to win more (to a decent level, where they even win slightly more than the other races, but still around the 50% number). But every player on the ladder and on TL was saying that P was easy mode (save for Protoss players), and I switched to Terran. The race is so much funnier to play, and you can actually do something with high APM (which I consider not a problem at all for me), I didn't regret it for one second. All the more so as some of my favorite players are Terrans. I'm sure there are players like me who only want to play the hardest shit in a game and have no interest in other forms of gameplay. Don't think there is only the pattern "Lol Protoss seems easier, let's play Protoss!". | ||
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
255 Zerg 222 Terran 207 Protoss I'm pretty sure these things just fluctuate via whatever race is winning the big tournaments, and will all even out over the long haul. Terran was the FotM for a while, then I was hitting a lot of Zergs for a while, now it seems it's the Protoss time to shine. HotS it'll be imba battle hellions, and super thor rushes, and Terran will be the new imba race. You'll have a certain % of the population that will play just whatever race is perceived as strongest at the time, so if you look at %, you'll just see what's perceived as best/worst, not what actually is. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
I actually like the fact that playing terran forces you to multitask and be aggressive like crazy. Being forced into playing like that will improve your skill as a player more than the other two races will. My mechanics have significantly improved as protosses and zergs have realized how strong they are lategame as I've been force to pull rabbits out of my hat constantly. I started at around 100 APM when I first started playing and can now achieve 150 APMs with the same <20% redundancy. I don't even mind that protosses at the moment are retardedly hard to deal with in the endgame since it just forces me to maximize my micro and become even crisper at dealing with all their shenanigans. There's also the sinking feeling that you're always against the clock when you play against zerg or protoss, but I guess if nothing else that feeling will just make you even crisper as a player. Add to that the awesomeness that is Tvt where I feel I learn more about the game, strategies and intelligent play in one tvt that I could do playing 15 tvps or tvz. I love the difficulty of terran right now, although I wish mech would be more viable all around, and some other things. The one problem I currently have with the game is the long term. I was hoping that Blizzard would eventually make the other races as hard to play as terran, but everything I've seen points to the other direction, that this is not the case. The latest patch Blizzard released shows that they're hilariously out of touch with the game, and looking at HotS I have this sinking feeling that Blizzard is trying reduce the skill requirement of terran rather than to raise the requirement of the other races. I'm not hopeful for the future of SC2 with Hots honestly, but I'd rather quit the game than switch races. Right now I keep playing to improve my RTS skills since SC2 is pretty much the first RTS I played outside of single player/campaigns, in wait for Blizzard to step their game up or until something better comes along. | ||
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statikg
Canada930 Posts
I don't know why that is but part of it is probably feeling discouraged that it seems .difficult to play against the clock. If I could go back in time 5000 games I would switch races, but I can't so I'll stick with it because I'm just not gonna put in that time to learn another race. | ||
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ClanRH.TV
United States462 Posts
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Maiden UK
England61 Posts
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