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On April 04 2012 08:29 iAmJeffReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:54 LavaLava wrote:On April 04 2012 07:31 Mehukannu wrote:On April 04 2012 07:18 Alexstrasas wrote:On April 04 2012 06:12 DrLOAC wrote:
I'd like to see a Raven buff. I think there's some little explored spaces where a flock of Ravens in late game TvZ and TvP could really help.
Maybe increase casting range for HSM, PPD, & AT. Along with a revaluing of the cost to 150/150 or maybe 175/125 to enable massing 6-10 of them late game.
Or possibly reducing the casting cost of HSM to 100 if you get the energy upgrade. Imo, replace HSM with Irradiate from SCBW What would this accomplish? a) Terrans would actualy get that aoe dmg that they are supposed to have with HSM, but in an actual useful and realistic way. b) It would actualy force the other races to micro their stuff, thus solving the a-move sindrome. c) Less QQ by the "terran OP crew" compared to the ammount of whine that would be unleashed if HSM was somehow buffed Imo this fix alone would be optimal across the board. I have to agree with this. Replacing HSM with irradiate wouldn't be such a pain in the ass to try to balance in a appropriate level unlike HSM where there are way too many variables that can change its viability. Which would mean that finding the ''sweet spot'' for the HSM is very hard to find. Yeah. If Fungal is instant and undodgeable, Irradiate could be too. Splitting is fun to watch, etc. Obviously the old irradiate was too much for SC2, but I'm sure it could be balanced with simple damage numbers and radius. Fungal isn't instant, it's a missile like EMP.
No, it is not. They had it in the PTR for a while but removed it.
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Im assuming they reverted back to the instant cast because Ts were splitting their way out of it I assume. They should bring back the projectile and adjust the speed of it (or make it deal more damage and slow the units instead). Would be way more exciting to watch (and play against) then the constant instant fungals..
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On April 04 2012 09:00 YyapSsap wrote:
Im assuming they reverted back to the instant cast because Ts were splitting their way out of it I assume. They should bring back the projectile and adjust the speed of it (or make it deal more damage and slow the units instead). Would be way more exciting to watch (and play against) then the constant instant fungals..
Blizzard said the reason was due to blink stalkers, who could easily dodge it.
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I've gotten fed up with the nerfs to Terran. The last few nerfs to Terran have been completely unnecessary(and in the case of the snipe nerf, just plain stupid).
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I am so fucking tired of playing this race. Just now I had my biggest ragefit ever from losing to a protoss player.
I was 1100 masters EU earlier tonight, now I'm barely over 1000, mass TvPs.
Heres me playing TvP on ladder, losing because I don't know why:
http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3299&l=da_DK
Here's me after having my ragefit from losing that game. I ragequeue as protoss (ANY IDIOT CAN PLAY THIS RACE RIGHT), I get the same P player once more AND I WIN WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE WHAT I AM DOING
http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3300&l=da_DK
Gah I am so sad right now, I am so tempted dropping this race. It's absolutely a race exclusively for top tier players, for anyone playing this game casually you get 10x the reward from playing as P ._.
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On April 04 2012 07:02 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:27 Superneenja wrote:We also have to remember that P and Z will get new units too and will change the whole dynamic of the encounter... Now whats that "scorpion get over here" new unit that Z is getting? Oh and Ultralisk charge?... doesn't sound OP at all to me /sarcasm And notice how Toss is getting enhancements only in air, cause ground is pretty solid right now, minus the whole TvP thing  Assuming the units blizzard presented before are the ones we actually get (and I don't think they will be, but I have no better assumption to work off of so bear with me), Protoss is getting the Tempest, which will have little to no impact in PvT at all, the Oracle which is just a bad version of a harass unit that can literally do nothing else, and The replicator which has the potential to be simultaneously the best and worst unit in existence. The replicator particularly worries me, the others won't change the matchup much at all. The replicator worries me because it will drastically weaken the power of terran tech vs. Protoss and further encourage bio. Why? Because it turns into a fully upgraded copy of whatever unit the protoss wants, the cost being that it is expensive on minerals and gas as well as supply (200/200 with 4 supply). How would you like to fight protoss with cloaked banshees or with ravens? Well, if you make a single one of those units, you're giving Protoss the ability to use those against you, even if you don't research cloak. Make a siege tank? Protoss can build tanks now! Thankfully, I don't think blizzard is ACTUALLY this stupid.
Tempest could have more impact than you think. If 6 or 8 Tempest 1 shot vikings, then I'll mass that number of tempest, 8 colossus and the rest as zealots and what can you do? Seriously, what can terran do about 8 colossus when any number of vikings get 1 shot out of the sky? Medivacs? All dead. Have fun fighting a colossus zealot army with no medivacs and no vikings. And tempest shoot down too! admittedly not very well, but they aren't a total loss like phoenix are once everything in the sky is annihilated.
The Oracle will be awesome in PvZ, but almost useless in PvT. Watch me do a zealot + 1 oracle timing push. Warp out the roach warren and push. Double oracle warp prims play. Warp out spawning pool and roach warren, warp zealots into main. Basically zerg must mass army just incase an oracle takes out the produciton building and they are screwed. 3 VR oracle, warp out hydra den. GAHAHAHAHAHH.
The replicator is insane. kiss any tank, raven, medivac or banshee opening play good-bye. As soon as my obs sees a tech opening i'll be getting me a replicator. Zealot medivac drop. Oh yeah, just try and kill that shit off baby
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On April 04 2012 10:53 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:02 Whitewing wrote:On April 04 2012 06:27 Superneenja wrote:We also have to remember that P and Z will get new units too and will change the whole dynamic of the encounter... Now whats that "scorpion get over here" new unit that Z is getting? Oh and Ultralisk charge?... doesn't sound OP at all to me /sarcasm And notice how Toss is getting enhancements only in air, cause ground is pretty solid right now, minus the whole TvP thing Assuming the units blizzard presented before are the ones we actually get (and I don't think they will be, but I have no better assumption to work off of so bear with me), Protoss is getting the Tempest, which will have little to no impact in PvT at all, the Oracle which is just a bad version of a harass unit that can literally do nothing else, and The replicator which has the potential to be simultaneously the best and worst unit in existence. The replicator particularly worries me, the others won't change the matchup much at all. The replicator worries me because it will drastically weaken the power of terran tech vs. Protoss and further encourage bio. Why? Because it turns into a fully upgraded copy of whatever unit the protoss wants, the cost being that it is expensive on minerals and gas as well as supply (200/200 with 4 supply). How would you like to fight protoss with cloaked banshees or with ravens? Well, if you make a single one of those units, you're giving Protoss the ability to use those against you, even if you don't research cloak. Make a siege tank? Protoss can build tanks now! Thankfully, I don't think blizzard is ACTUALLY this stupid. Tempest could have more impact than you think. If 6 or 8 Tempest 1 shot vikings, then I'll mass that number of tempest, 8 colossus and the rest as zealots and what can you do? Seriously, what can terran do about 8 colossus when any number of vikings get 1 shot out of the sky? Medivacs? All dead. Have fun fighting a colossus zealot army with no medivacs and no vikings. And tempest shoot down too! admittedly not very well, but they aren't a total loss like phoenix are once everything in the sky is annihilated. The Oracle will be awesome in PvZ, but almost useless in PvT. Watch me do a zealot + 1 oracle timing push. Warp out the roach warren and push. Double oracle warp prims play. Warp out spawning pool and roach warren, warp zealots into main. Basically zerg must mass army just incase an oracle takes out the produciton building and they are screwed. 3 VR oracle, warp out hydra den. GAHAHAHAHAHH. The replicator is insane. kiss any tank, raven, medivac or banshee opening play good-bye. As soon as my obs sees a tech opening i'll be getting me a replicator. Zealot medivac drop. Oh yeah, just try and kill that shit off baby
Vikings massively outrange the tempest and, IIRC, are faster, so you should be able to kite them indefinitely. Spreading your vikings would invalidate the splash as well pretty easily, and they're very supply expensive.
Not to mention terran has units which straight up annihilate that composition as well, like the battlecruiser. I can't exactly picture protoss somehow managing to suddenly get to that composition without terran having time to spot it and prepare for it.
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On April 04 2012 10:42 EmilA wrote:I am so fucking tired of playing this race. Just now I had my biggest ragefit ever from losing to a protoss player. I was 1100 masters EU earlier tonight, now I'm barely over 1000, mass TvPs. Heres me playing TvP on ladder, losing because I don't know why: http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3299&l=da_DKHere's me after having my ragefit from losing that game. I ragequeue as protoss (ANY IDIOT CAN PLAY THIS RACE RIGHT), I get the same P player once more AND I WIN WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE WHAT I AM DOING http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3300&l=da_DKGah I am so sad right now, I am so tempted dropping this race. It's absolutely a race exclusively for top tier players, for anyone playing this game casually you get 10x the reward from playing as P ._.
Go play Protoss then and we'll see how well you do. I could make the same argument about Terran, but then I remembered that I'm not a balance-whiner, so I decided not to. If you played protoss (hint: for more than 1 game) you'd think the same about Terran. *derp* such an easy op race, anybody can a-move bio and throw emp's all over their screen, I queued once as terran, 3raxed (had no idea what i was doing) and won, watch this replay, it's proof that terran is easy just because I could execute a build order win all-in *derp*.
How about stop whining about how much better you'd do as Protoss and actually commit to the switch? Play Protoss until the next season as an experiment and we'll see if you can maintain your 1,1k rating.
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On April 04 2012 10:53 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:02 Whitewing wrote:On April 04 2012 06:27 Superneenja wrote:We also have to remember that P and Z will get new units too and will change the whole dynamic of the encounter... Now whats that "scorpion get over here" new unit that Z is getting? Oh and Ultralisk charge?... doesn't sound OP at all to me /sarcasm And notice how Toss is getting enhancements only in air, cause ground is pretty solid right now, minus the whole TvP thing Assuming the units blizzard presented before are the ones we actually get (and I don't think they will be, but I have no better assumption to work off of so bear with me), Protoss is getting the Tempest, which will have little to no impact in PvT at all, the Oracle which is just a bad version of a harass unit that can literally do nothing else, and The replicator which has the potential to be simultaneously the best and worst unit in existence. The replicator particularly worries me, the others won't change the matchup much at all. The replicator worries me because it will drastically weaken the power of terran tech vs. Protoss and further encourage bio. Why? Because it turns into a fully upgraded copy of whatever unit the protoss wants, the cost being that it is expensive on minerals and gas as well as supply (200/200 with 4 supply). How would you like to fight protoss with cloaked banshees or with ravens? Well, if you make a single one of those units, you're giving Protoss the ability to use those against you, even if you don't research cloak. Make a siege tank? Protoss can build tanks now! Thankfully, I don't think blizzard is ACTUALLY this stupid. Tempest could have more impact than you think. If 6 or 8 Tempest 1 shot vikings, then I'll mass that number of tempest, 8 colossus and the rest as zealots and what can you do? Seriously, what can terran do about 8 colossus when any number of vikings get 1 shot out of the sky? Medivacs? All dead. Have fun fighting a colossus zealot army with no medivacs and no vikings. And tempest shoot down too! admittedly not very well, but they aren't a total loss like phoenix are once everything in the sky is annihilated. The Oracle will be awesome in PvZ, but almost useless in PvT. Watch me do a zealot + 1 oracle timing push. Warp out the roach warren and push. Double oracle warp prims play. Warp out spawning pool and roach warren, warp zealots into main. Basically zerg must mass army just incase an oracle takes out the produciton building and they are screwed. 3 VR oracle, warp out hydra den. GAHAHAHAHAHH. The replicator is insane. kiss any tank, raven, medivac or banshee opening play good-bye. As soon as my obs sees a tech opening i'll be getting me a replicator. Zealot medivac drop. Oh yeah, just try and kill that shit off baby
Why are you speculating around units and builds in an expansion that isn't even out yet? You're pretending that the game we saw at blizzcon will even remotively look like the game that will be coming out of beta.
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On April 04 2012 11:51 xHPx_sc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 10:42 EmilA wrote:I am so fucking tired of playing this race. Just now I had my biggest ragefit ever from losing to a protoss player. I was 1100 masters EU earlier tonight, now I'm barely over 1000, mass TvPs. Heres me playing TvP on ladder, losing because I don't know why: http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3299&l=da_DKHere's me after having my ragefit from losing that game. I ragequeue as protoss (ANY IDIOT CAN PLAY THIS RACE RIGHT), I get the same P player once more AND I WIN WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE WHAT I AM DOING http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3300&l=da_DKGah I am so sad right now, I am so tempted dropping this race. It's absolutely a race exclusively for top tier players, for anyone playing this game casually you get 10x the reward from playing as P ._. Go play Protoss then and we'll see how well you do. I could make the same argument about Terran, but then I remembered that I'm not a balance-whiner, so I decided not to. If you played protoss (hint: for more than 1 game) you'd think the same about Terran. *derp* such an easy op race, anybody can a-move bio and throw emp's all over their screen, I queued once as terran, 3raxed (had no idea what i was doing) and won, watch this replay, it's proof that terran is easy just because I could execute a build order win all-in *derp*. How about stop whining about how much better you'd do as Protoss and actually commit to the switch? Play Protoss until the next season as an experiment and we'll see if you can maintain your 1,1k rating.
Anyone can. If he has mechanics as terran to be 1.1k, he has mechanics to be at least at the same rating with P. I've met so many Ts that occasionally offrace P and do better... heck, look at DDE, KawaiRice, fenix
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I feel to a big extent that this game has alot to do with a stain of mind. This game has had alot of changes since Beta and alot of it came from a preception of it rather then balance changes. sure maybe some things needed to be fixed along the way and they have changed the way the game is played and put things on more even grounds but to some extent have simply changed the way you think rather then the actual change. Right now T feels violated for all the nerfs and the feeling is they can not win so people have stopped playing the game or switched races. That is until the next swing comes along that puts T into the lead again. I feel that anyone can win if they outplay the other playing the race that best suits that play. Hence why the top T play sooo well while other T seem to play so poorly
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On April 04 2012 12:17 Twistacles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 11:51 xHPx_sc2 wrote:On April 04 2012 10:42 EmilA wrote:I am so fucking tired of playing this race. Just now I had my biggest ragefit ever from losing to a protoss player. I was 1100 masters EU earlier tonight, now I'm barely over 1000, mass TvPs. Heres me playing TvP on ladder, losing because I don't know why: http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3299&l=da_DKHere's me after having my ragefit from losing that game. I ragequeue as protoss (ANY IDIOT CAN PLAY THIS RACE RIGHT), I get the same P player once more AND I WIN WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE WHAT I AM DOING http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3300&l=da_DKGah I am so sad right now, I am so tempted dropping this race. It's absolutely a race exclusively for top tier players, for anyone playing this game casually you get 10x the reward from playing as P ._. Go play Protoss then and we'll see how well you do. I could make the same argument about Terran, but then I remembered that I'm not a balance-whiner, so I decided not to. If you played protoss (hint: for more than 1 game) you'd think the same about Terran. *derp* such an easy op race, anybody can a-move bio and throw emp's all over their screen, I queued once as terran, 3raxed (had no idea what i was doing) and won, watch this replay, it's proof that terran is easy just because I could execute a build order win all-in *derp*. How about stop whining about how much better you'd do as Protoss and actually commit to the switch? Play Protoss until the next season as an experiment and we'll see if you can maintain your 1,1k rating. Anyone can. If he has mechanics as terran to be 1.1k, he has mechanics to be at least at the same rating with P. I've met so many Ts that occasionally offrace P and do better... heck, look at DDE, KawaiRice, fenix
Err... Neither of those 3 plays Protoss at pro-level afaik... but hey all 3 play Terran at pro level. So by your logic, Terran is easier 
I'll use your logic and base my argument on nonsense, here goes:
If you're any rating as Protoss, you can get that rating but higher if you switch to Terran. I will now randomly name Protoss players who's offraced for fun as Terran: MC. SaSe. They are both better than DDE, KawaiiRice and Fenix. Which says absolutely nothing, but I just decided to mention it just like you did.
Enough of dumb-terran-logic, on to some actual facts. Byun used to play Protoss from beta until the first 3 seasons of GSL. Never even qualified for code A. Then he switched to Terran and instantly from season 4 qualified for code A, on the first try. Got 2nd place in code A, lost 3-4 in the finals (to another Terran, obviously) and got into code S on his first try of code A.
Quit acting as if Terran would be harder than Protoss, studder stepping bio and derping limitless EMPs all over the Protoss army with your 15ghosts isn't hard. Protoss players actually have to micro rather than "amove move amove move". But you wouldn't know because you're Terran. (hint: I'm not being 100% serious about this paragraph, just copying the Terran-logic again of judging the difficulty of a certain race by.. looking at it rather than playing it.)
It feels sort of pointless arguing race-difficulty in a forumthread that is completely made for Terran-Circlejerking...
But I'm just saying, going "hey, that race that I don't play is really easy. I know because... when I look at other people play it, it looks easy... 'n stuff" makes you look really dumb.
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On April 04 2012 14:18 xHPx_sc2 wrote:
Enough of dumb-terran-logic, on to some actual facts. Byun used to play Protoss from beta until the first 3 seasons of GSL. Never even qualified for code A. Then he switched to Terran and instantly from season 4 qualified for code A, on the first try. Got 2nd place in code A, lost 3-4 in the finals (to another Terran, obviously) and got into code S on his first try of code A.
Maybe you should check your facts? He qualified to the Open Season 1 and 2 as protoss. He got enough points and was qualified to GSL January.
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I'm around 1000ish master with terran right now.
Had to sub in for a protoss player in our CSL lineup (because i wasn't put on the roster) and I beat an 1100 zerg with protoss having rarely played the race. I just did a 7 gate blink all in and outmicrod him.
Bottom line is protoss is the easiest race to play by far. Just like in broodwar. This isn't a comment on balance, just how easier they are. They take about half the apms as the other races and imho their strategy isn't as deep either.
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Recently I have started to accept this matchup for what it is by watching alot of MKP and then Illusion's stream where he beats Protoss pretty regulary actually. So I started to mass ladder a few days ago with a "new" mindset and just try to be up in their face as much possible and really put myself out in risky situations that force micro out of me to increase my control and I feel already alot more confident. After maybe 60 games against Protoss by doing this my army control is so much better already and I feel like I can win every battle now if I don't fuck up or just macro bad. The matchup still sucks tho since Protoss is so fucking bad designed and warpgates + warp prism is so random.
My new hate is now TvZ instead during Hive tech. What the fuck can you do against BL/infestor and a zerg that abuse the larva mechanics to squeeze out like 30 extra drones and then make them to spines and just camp behind them or put them out around expos so you can't drop and punish the slow mobility of hive tech units? I've seen this in PvZ too and it makes the game very lame tbh.
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On April 04 2012 14:18 xHPx_sc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 12:17 Twistacles wrote:On April 04 2012 11:51 xHPx_sc2 wrote:On April 04 2012 10:42 EmilA wrote:I am so fucking tired of playing this race. Just now I had my biggest ragefit ever from losing to a protoss player. I was 1100 masters EU earlier tonight, now I'm barely over 1000, mass TvPs. Heres me playing TvP on ladder, losing because I don't know why: http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3299&l=da_DKHere's me after having my ragefit from losing that game. I ragequeue as protoss (ANY IDIOT CAN PLAY THIS RACE RIGHT), I get the same P player once more AND I WIN WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE WHAT I AM DOING http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3300&l=da_DKGah I am so sad right now, I am so tempted dropping this race. It's absolutely a race exclusively for top tier players, for anyone playing this game casually you get 10x the reward from playing as P ._. Go play Protoss then and we'll see how well you do. I could make the same argument about Terran, but then I remembered that I'm not a balance-whiner, so I decided not to. If you played protoss (hint: for more than 1 game) you'd think the same about Terran. *derp* such an easy op race, anybody can a-move bio and throw emp's all over their screen, I queued once as terran, 3raxed (had no idea what i was doing) and won, watch this replay, it's proof that terran is easy just because I could execute a build order win all-in *derp*. How about stop whining about how much better you'd do as Protoss and actually commit to the switch? Play Protoss until the next season as an experiment and we'll see if you can maintain your 1,1k rating. Anyone can. If he has mechanics as terran to be 1.1k, he has mechanics to be at least at the same rating with P. I've met so many Ts that occasionally offrace P and do better... heck, look at DDE, KawaiRice, fenix Err... Neither of those 3 plays Protoss at pro-level afaik... but hey all 3 play Terran at pro level. So by your logic, Terran is easier I'll use your logic and base my argument on nonsense, here goes: If you're any rating as Protoss, you can get that rating but higher if you switch to Terran. I will now randomly name Protoss players who's offraced for fun as Terran: MC. SaSe. They are both better than DDE, KawaiiRice and Fenix. Which says absolutely nothing, but I just decided to mention it just like you did. Enough of dumb-terran-logic, on to some actual facts. Byun used to play Protoss from beta until the first 3 seasons of GSL. Never even qualified for code A. Then he switched to Terran and instantly from season 4 qualified for code A, on the first try. Got 2nd place in code A, lost 3-4 in the finals (to another Terran, obviously) and got into code S on his first try of code A. Quit acting as if Terran would be harder than Protoss, studder stepping bio and derping limitless EMPs all over the Protoss army with your 15ghosts isn't hard. Protoss players actually have to micro rather than "amove move amove move". But you wouldn't know because you're Terran. (hint: I'm not being 100% serious about this paragraph, just copying the Terran-logic again of judging the difficulty of a certain race by.. looking at it rather than playing it.) It feels sort of pointless arguing race-difficulty in a forumthread that is completely made for Terran-Circlejerking... But I'm just saying, going "hey, that race that I don't play is really easy. I know because... when I look at other people play it, it looks easy... 'n stuff" makes you look really dumb.
Well, there are posts in this thread where Terran players (mostly masters as far as I noticed) try to play protoss and claim it to be easier while they can achieve more with the race. That was just reaction to your "Quit acting as if Terran would be harder than Protoss, studder stepping bio and derping limitless EMPs all over the Protoss army with your 15ghosts isn't hard". Seriously, try throwing down 15 EMPs :-) By the time you throw down the 15th, your army would be probably dead cause you didn't kite from chargelots :-) But who am I to judge, right? OK, here is what thorzain said: "I feel that TvP IS really micro intensive. EMP everything, move your units out of storms, focus fire individual colossi with vikings and kite zealots if he's zealot heavy. And while you're kiting zealots you have to move back your ghosts so that they dont all get killed in the blink of an eye. All these things at the same time. It's freaking hard if you ask me!". His comment can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270769 . Seriously, stop saying the things are not difficult when you have never obviously tried!
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The only thing that this thread made clear is that Terran's are whiners
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On April 04 2012 14:54 PSiggy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:18 xHPx_sc2 wrote:On April 04 2012 12:17 Twistacles wrote:On April 04 2012 11:51 xHPx_sc2 wrote:On April 04 2012 10:42 EmilA wrote:I am so fucking tired of playing this race. Just now I had my biggest ragefit ever from losing to a protoss player. I was 1100 masters EU earlier tonight, now I'm barely over 1000, mass TvPs. Heres me playing TvP on ladder, losing because I don't know why: http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3299&l=da_DKHere's me after having my ragefit from losing that game. I ragequeue as protoss (ANY IDIOT CAN PLAY THIS RACE RIGHT), I get the same P player once more AND I WIN WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE WHAT I AM DOING http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3300&l=da_DKGah I am so sad right now, I am so tempted dropping this race. It's absolutely a race exclusively for top tier players, for anyone playing this game casually you get 10x the reward from playing as P ._. Go play Protoss then and we'll see how well you do. I could make the same argument about Terran, but then I remembered that I'm not a balance-whiner, so I decided not to. If you played protoss (hint: for more than 1 game) you'd think the same about Terran. *derp* such an easy op race, anybody can a-move bio and throw emp's all over their screen, I queued once as terran, 3raxed (had no idea what i was doing) and won, watch this replay, it's proof that terran is easy just because I could execute a build order win all-in *derp*. How about stop whining about how much better you'd do as Protoss and actually commit to the switch? Play Protoss until the next season as an experiment and we'll see if you can maintain your 1,1k rating. Anyone can. If he has mechanics as terran to be 1.1k, he has mechanics to be at least at the same rating with P. I've met so many Ts that occasionally offrace P and do better... heck, look at DDE, KawaiRice, fenix Err... Neither of those 3 plays Protoss at pro-level afaik... but hey all 3 play Terran at pro level. So by your logic, Terran is easier I'll use your logic and base my argument on nonsense, here goes: If you're any rating as Protoss, you can get that rating but higher if you switch to Terran. I will now randomly name Protoss players who's offraced for fun as Terran: MC. SaSe. They are both better than DDE, KawaiiRice and Fenix. Which says absolutely nothing, but I just decided to mention it just like you did. Enough of dumb-terran-logic, on to some actual facts. Byun used to play Protoss from beta until the first 3 seasons of GSL. Never even qualified for code A. Then he switched to Terran and instantly from season 4 qualified for code A, on the first try. Got 2nd place in code A, lost 3-4 in the finals (to another Terran, obviously) and got into code S on his first try of code A. Quit acting as if Terran would be harder than Protoss, studder stepping bio and derping limitless EMPs all over the Protoss army with your 15ghosts isn't hard. Protoss players actually have to micro rather than "amove move amove move". But you wouldn't know because you're Terran. (hint: I'm not being 100% serious about this paragraph, just copying the Terran-logic again of judging the difficulty of a certain race by.. looking at it rather than playing it.) It feels sort of pointless arguing race-difficulty in a forumthread that is completely made for Terran-Circlejerking... But I'm just saying, going "hey, that race that I don't play is really easy. I know because... when I look at other people play it, it looks easy... 'n stuff" makes you look really dumb. Well, there are posts in this thread where Terran players (mostly masters as far as I noticed) try to play protoss and claim it to be easier while they can achieve more with the race. That was just reaction to your "Quit acting as if Terran would be harder than Protoss, studder stepping bio and derping limitless EMPs all over the Protoss army with your 15ghosts isn't hard". Seriously, try throwing down 15 EMPs :-) By the time you throw down the 15th, your army would be probably dead cause you didn't kite from chargelots :-) But who am I to judge, right? OK, here is what thorzain said: " I feel that TvP IS really micro intensive. EMP everything, move your units out of storms, focus fire individual colossi with vikings and kite zealots if he's zealot heavy. And while you're kiting zealots you have to move back your ghosts so that they dont all get killed in the blink of an eye. All these things at the same time. It's freaking hard if you ask me!". His comment can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270769 . Seriously, stop saying the things are not difficult when you have never obviously tried!
You do realize that is the exact point he is making? T who never tried P shouldn't say how easy it is, he agrees that P who never tried T shouldn't say that is easy either.
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On April 04 2012 15:11 convention wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:54 PSiggy wrote:On April 04 2012 14:18 xHPx_sc2 wrote:On April 04 2012 12:17 Twistacles wrote:On April 04 2012 11:51 xHPx_sc2 wrote:On April 04 2012 10:42 EmilA wrote:I am so fucking tired of playing this race. Just now I had my biggest ragefit ever from losing to a protoss player. I was 1100 masters EU earlier tonight, now I'm barely over 1000, mass TvPs. Heres me playing TvP on ladder, losing because I don't know why: http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3299&l=da_DKHere's me after having my ragefit from losing that game. I ragequeue as protoss (ANY IDIOT CAN PLAY THIS RACE RIGHT), I get the same P player once more AND I WIN WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE WHAT I AM DOING http://www.sc2replays.dk/?show=replays_show&replay_id=3300&l=da_DKGah I am so sad right now, I am so tempted dropping this race. It's absolutely a race exclusively for top tier players, for anyone playing this game casually you get 10x the reward from playing as P ._. Go play Protoss then and we'll see how well you do. I could make the same argument about Terran, but then I remembered that I'm not a balance-whiner, so I decided not to. If you played protoss (hint: for more than 1 game) you'd think the same about Terran. *derp* such an easy op race, anybody can a-move bio and throw emp's all over their screen, I queued once as terran, 3raxed (had no idea what i was doing) and won, watch this replay, it's proof that terran is easy just because I could execute a build order win all-in *derp*. How about stop whining about how much better you'd do as Protoss and actually commit to the switch? Play Protoss until the next season as an experiment and we'll see if you can maintain your 1,1k rating. Anyone can. If he has mechanics as terran to be 1.1k, he has mechanics to be at least at the same rating with P. I've met so many Ts that occasionally offrace P and do better... heck, look at DDE, KawaiRice, fenix Err... Neither of those 3 plays Protoss at pro-level afaik... but hey all 3 play Terran at pro level. So by your logic, Terran is easier I'll use your logic and base my argument on nonsense, here goes: If you're any rating as Protoss, you can get that rating but higher if you switch to Terran. I will now randomly name Protoss players who's offraced for fun as Terran: MC. SaSe. They are both better than DDE, KawaiiRice and Fenix. Which says absolutely nothing, but I just decided to mention it just like you did. Enough of dumb-terran-logic, on to some actual facts. Byun used to play Protoss from beta until the first 3 seasons of GSL. Never even qualified for code A. Then he switched to Terran and instantly from season 4 qualified for code A, on the first try. Got 2nd place in code A, lost 3-4 in the finals (to another Terran, obviously) and got into code S on his first try of code A. Quit acting as if Terran would be harder than Protoss, studder stepping bio and derping limitless EMPs all over the Protoss army with your 15ghosts isn't hard. Protoss players actually have to micro rather than "amove move amove move". But you wouldn't know because you're Terran. (hint: I'm not being 100% serious about this paragraph, just copying the Terran-logic again of judging the difficulty of a certain race by.. looking at it rather than playing it.) It feels sort of pointless arguing race-difficulty in a forumthread that is completely made for Terran-Circlejerking... But I'm just saying, going "hey, that race that I don't play is really easy. I know because... when I look at other people play it, it looks easy... 'n stuff" makes you look really dumb. Well, there are posts in this thread where Terran players (mostly masters as far as I noticed) try to play protoss and claim it to be easier while they can achieve more with the race. That was just reaction to your "Quit acting as if Terran would be harder than Protoss, studder stepping bio and derping limitless EMPs all over the Protoss army with your 15ghosts isn't hard". Seriously, try throwing down 15 EMPs :-) By the time you throw down the 15th, your army would be probably dead cause you didn't kite from chargelots :-) But who am I to judge, right? OK, here is what thorzain said: " I feel that TvP IS really micro intensive. EMP everything, move your units out of storms, focus fire individual colossi with vikings and kite zealots if he's zealot heavy. And while you're kiting zealots you have to move back your ghosts so that they dont all get killed in the blink of an eye. All these things at the same time. It's freaking hard if you ask me!". His comment can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270769 . Seriously, stop saying the things are not difficult when you have never obviously tried! You do realize that is the exact point he is making? T who never tried P shouldn't say how easy it is, he agrees that P who never tried T shouldn't say that is easy either.
Well I've thought he was making that point until he said: "Enough of dumb-terran-logic, on to some actual facts." My post is focused mainly on what he said after that sentence.
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what is this? a 200 page terran whine thread after ONE month of being at 45% winrate in one matchup
where did all the terrans go? busy winning tournaments as usual is my guess
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