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On April 01 2012 18:14 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:07 decaf wrote:On April 01 2012 17:22 Chaggi wrote:
You can raise the skill ceiling of Protoss and that would not affect pro level play That's the point that's been brought up a couple of times already. As of now protoss has a too easy time microing, maybe blizzard should make charge a spell like blink so it doesn't autocast and also make all the zealots attack the clostest target so you have to micro them and spread em out. Dont they do that already? (attacking the closest target)
They ummmm charge the attacking target that A-Move selects for them, or right click if the protoss so chooses to do so. So in a sense if the protoss A-Moves that is correct.
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On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire.
We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented.
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On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented.
Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL
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On April 01 2012 18:29 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented. Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL
Nope, baseball is more popular as far as I know.
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On April 01 2012 18:32 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:29 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented. Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL Nope, baseball is more popular as far as I know.
For sure, It would've been football though. Korea has a pretty good football lineup.
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On April 01 2012 18:33 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:32 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:29 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented. Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL Nope, baseball is more popular as far as I know. For sure, It would've been football though. Korea has a pretty good football lineup.
ah yeah, seems I was wrong. football is indeed more popular. though their lineup is pretty much compareable to a Western SC lineup. It's not bad (like Austrias), but the real biggies are gonna stomp on it 24/7
kind of the reverse situation of SC
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On April 01 2012 18:42 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:33 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:32 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:29 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented. Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL Nope, baseball is more popular as far as I know. For sure, It would've been football though. Korea has a pretty good football lineup. ah yeah, seems I was wrong. football is indeed more popular. though their lineup is pretty much compareable to a Western SC lineup. It's not bad (like Austrias), but the real biggies are gonna stomp on it 24/7 kind of the reverse situation of SC
Well, I come from a country where exists possibly the worst male football line up and a bad female football lineup since 1998 where the girls grabbed silver, ( close game vs the Americans) and been bad shape ever since =/ Buff Chinese imo.
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On April 01 2012 18:52 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:42 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:33 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:32 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:29 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented. Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL Nope, baseball is more popular as far as I know. For sure, It would've been football though. Korea has a pretty good football lineup. ah yeah, seems I was wrong. football is indeed more popular. though their lineup is pretty much compareable to a Western SC lineup. It's not bad (like Austrias), but the real biggies are gonna stomp on it 24/7 kind of the reverse situation of SC Well, I come from a country where exists possibly the worst male football line up and a bad female football lineup since 1998 where the girls grabbed silver, ( close game vs the Americans) and been bad shape ever since =/ Buff Chinese imo.
You have obviously never seen austrian Bundesliga and ÖFB- Cup, where 10.000 inhabitant villages battle each other for championships. ;-)
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Assuming everyone here plays ladder, you should know by now that you can't really 'casually' play ladder, without accepting the fact the it is unlikely for you to improve.
In which case, what makes the definition of how hard it is to play a race, is the amount of 'efficient time played' and how much you improve in that time.
Terrans argue that it is too difficult at lower leagues. Point taken, but anyone who tries to argue that they want to play casually and still not lose all the time is being moron and contradicting themselves. Because you will continue to lose until you verse players at your skill level, and until the 50% is reached, u will lose more than win.
So, it's safe to say that you who are arguing for Terrans difficulty are playing this game competitively. Otherwise stop talking. Granted, Terran is the hardest race to play to reach higher levels. One race has to be the hardest. Perfect balance of skill correlating with win percentages are unattainable.
Changing this difficulty requires a complete remodel of the game. Your wasting your time thinking anything will change in WoL. So for the love of god, stop crying
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On April 01 2012 19:41 run.at.me wrote:
Assuming everyone here plays ladder, you should know by now that you can't really 'casually' play ladder, without accepting the fact the it is unlikely for you to improve.
In which case, what makes the definition of how hard it is to play a race, is the amount of 'efficient time played' and how much you improve in that time.
Terrans argue that it is too difficult at lower leagues. Point taken, but anyone who tries to argue that they want to play casually and still not lose all the time is being moron and contradicting themselves. Because you will continue to lose until you verse players at your skill level, and until the 50% is reached, u will lose more than win.
So, it's safe to say that you who are arguing for Terrans difficulty are playing this game competitively. Otherwise stop talking. Granted, Terran is the hardest race to play to reach higher levels. One race has to be the hardest. Perfect balance of skill correlating with win percentages are unattainable.
Changing this difficulty requires a complete remodel of the game. Your wasting your time thinking anything will change in WoL. So for the love of god, stop crying
I thought we were talking about football teams?
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I think Ret actually said it best on Demuslim's stream a few months ago. Ret told Demuslim not to 2 rax him because he needed to practise macro games against a Terran who wouldn't just roll over and die at the thought of a macro game. Ret can get a lot of practise vs 3 base turtling Protoss players, as this is actually very easy to do for Protoss players. Also, Protoss won't lose a fight due to limitation in control, because most of their units' effectiveness come from a-move (200/200 that is).
On the same token, most GM zergs will be able to macro to 200/200 roaches in macro ZvZ to a similar level to a Pro macroer, meaning a pro Zerg can practise their ZvZ reasonably well. Unfortunately, Terran's difficulty means that pros can't really practise the vT matchup in straight up macro games on ladder, and might also be why they lose to the Korean Terrans even worse than they do to the non T Koreans.
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On April 01 2012 18:52 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:42 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:33 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:32 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:29 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented. Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL Nope, baseball is more popular as far as I know. For sure, It would've been football though. Korea has a pretty good football lineup. ah yeah, seems I was wrong. football is indeed more popular. though their lineup is pretty much compareable to a Western SC lineup. It's not bad (like Austrias), but the real biggies are gonna stomp on it 24/7 kind of the reverse situation of SC Well, I come from a country where exists possibly the worst male football line up and a bad female football lineup since 1998 where the girls grabbed silver, ( close game vs the Americans) and been bad shape ever since =/ Buff Chinese imo.
You guys own at Warcraft 3, what else do you need? 
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On April 01 2012 20:19 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:52 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:42 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:33 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:32 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:29 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:20 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 18:13 Blasterion wrote:On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote:On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote:
In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. We are talking average Korean Joe. though their leagues might be slightly stronger, they are still humans that suffer from the same human incapabilities as everyone else does. There is no SC2 gene, that makes them magically more talented. Well as far as the Korean average joe goes, they don't even play SC2, they would be playing BW or LoL mostly LoL Nope, baseball is more popular as far as I know. For sure, It would've been football though. Korea has a pretty good football lineup. ah yeah, seems I was wrong. football is indeed more popular. though their lineup is pretty much compareable to a Western SC lineup. It's not bad (like Austrias), but the real biggies are gonna stomp on it 24/7 kind of the reverse situation of SC Well, I come from a country where exists possibly the worst male football line up and a bad female football lineup since 1998 where the girls grabbed silver, ( close game vs the Americans) and been bad shape ever since =/ Buff Chinese imo. You guys own at Warcraft 3, what else do you need?
Actually Dota is all the flair nowadays here. See it on TV everyday.
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Guys, we had this purposeful derailing a few times.. can you please quit it?
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On April 01 2012 12:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 12:47 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 11:39 Jermstuddog wrote:On April 01 2012 11:07 vpatrickd wrote:
it's odd coz terrans have been claiming the most trophies up till now.. right? Lol... This thread is funny... bunch of people waxing over the good ol' days when Terran used to be good... yet... they still make up 50% of the GSL and still bring home more trophies than either of the other races... Man... the good ol' days... LOL Guess what terrans dont make up? 75% of the ladder, any other sound arguments from you? Yeah, they make up really close to 30%, with the exception of platinum league, where they drop to 27%.(from the last information that was posted in this thread.
Apparently you forgot how to read, look again:
http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
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On April 01 2012 19:41 run.at.me wrote:
Assuming everyone here plays ladder, you should know by now that you can't really 'casually' play ladder, without accepting the fact the it is unlikely for you to improve.
In which case, what makes the definition of how hard it is to play a race, is the amount of 'efficient time played' and how much you improve in that time.
Terrans argue that it is too difficult at lower leagues. Point taken, but anyone who tries to argue that they want to play casually and still not lose all the time is being moron and contradicting themselves. Because you will continue to lose until you verse players at your skill level, and until the 50% is reached, u will lose more than win.
So, it's safe to say that you who are arguing for Terrans difficulty are playing this game competitively. Otherwise stop talking. Granted, Terran is the hardest race to play to reach higher levels. One race has to be the hardest. Perfect balance of skill correlating with win percentages are unattainable.
Changing this difficulty requires a complete remodel of the game. Your wasting your time thinking anything will change in WoL. So for the love of god, stop crying
So because were playing casually, and according to you, not "trying" hard enough we should just stfu? great argument... there are plenty of people, including semi pros who have come on here stating how they watch their own replays, study build orders, etc. and still cannot compete with P and Z at masters/GM level, but yeah, we just need to TRY harder! meanwhile you get buffs, we get nerfs, the maps get bigger, our early game "strengths" have become a predictable, easily counterable joke... we just have to TRY harder! thats like Obama saying well if Americans just TRIED HARDER, we wouldnt be in a recession
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On April 01 2012 20:58 XquisiteWretch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 12:56 Plansix wrote:On April 01 2012 12:47 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 11:39 Jermstuddog wrote:On April 01 2012 11:07 vpatrickd wrote:
it's odd coz terrans have been claiming the most trophies up till now.. right? Lol... This thread is funny... bunch of people waxing over the good ol' days when Terran used to be good... yet... they still make up 50% of the GSL and still bring home more trophies than either of the other races... Man... the good ol' days... LOL Guess what terrans dont make up? 75% of the ladder, any other sound arguments from you? Yeah, they make up really close to 30%, with the exception of platinum league, where they drop to 27%.(from the last information that was posted in this thread. Apparently you forgot how to read, look again: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
And if you look at the "Americas" which is all I am really concerned about, considering you can leave Korea out of the statistics because they are not a part of this discussion, as they operate on levels higher than our brains can handle... the statistics are even worse, 24% terran at platinum, 25% terran at diamond, 27% terran at masters, seeing a tred?
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On April 01 2012 21:05 XquisiteWretch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 20:58 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 12:56 Plansix wrote:On April 01 2012 12:47 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 11:39 Jermstuddog wrote:On April 01 2012 11:07 vpatrickd wrote:
it's odd coz terrans have been claiming the most trophies up till now.. right? Lol... This thread is funny... bunch of people waxing over the good ol' days when Terran used to be good... yet... they still make up 50% of the GSL and still bring home more trophies than either of the other races... Man... the good ol' days... LOL Guess what terrans dont make up? 75% of the ladder, any other sound arguments from you? Yeah, they make up really close to 30%, with the exception of platinum league, where they drop to 27%.(from the last information that was posted in this thread. Apparently you forgot how to read, look again: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all And if you look at the "Americas" which is all I am really concerned about, considering you can leave Korea out of the statistics because they are not a part of this discussion, as they operate on levels higher than our brains can handle... the statistics are even worse, 24% terran at platinum, 25% terran at diamond, 27% terran at masters, seeing a tred?
Well, 27... that's contrasted with 33 protoss and zerg. That's just saying "things are worse in plat than they are in masters, which is bad to begin with"
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On April 01 2012 21:05 XquisiteWretch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 20:58 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 12:56 Plansix wrote:On April 01 2012 12:47 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 11:39 Jermstuddog wrote:On April 01 2012 11:07 vpatrickd wrote:
it's odd coz terrans have been claiming the most trophies up till now.. right? Lol... This thread is funny... bunch of people waxing over the good ol' days when Terran used to be good... yet... they still make up 50% of the GSL and still bring home more trophies than either of the other races... Man... the good ol' days... LOL Guess what terrans dont make up? 75% of the ladder, any other sound arguments from you? Yeah, they make up really close to 30%, with the exception of platinum league, where they drop to 27%.(from the last information that was posted in this thread. Apparently you forgot how to read, look again: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all And if you look at the "Americas" which is all I am really concerned about, considering you can leave Korea out of the statistics because they are not a part of this discussion, as they operate on levels higher than our brains can handle... the statistics are even worse, 24% terran at platinum, 25% terran at diamond, 27% terran at masters, seeing a tred?
Without denying, that there is a trend of Terrans making a lesser part in the racial distribution these days:
A trend describes change, what you do is showing current stats. guess what, zerg was way lesser represented in the first half year of SC2, then Terran is now. yet their trend was that they were growing.
Your stats dont show a trend at all, if you want data and an analysis of the trend and to which degree Terrans decline and what the current general trend is (spoiler: zerg growth, terran and protoss decline), page 157 and the pages around are for you.
But I guess you have no clue about the difference between a function and it's derivative and what they say.
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On April 01 2012 21:25 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 21:05 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 20:58 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 12:56 Plansix wrote:On April 01 2012 12:47 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 01 2012 11:39 Jermstuddog wrote:On April 01 2012 11:07 vpatrickd wrote:
it's odd coz terrans have been claiming the most trophies up till now.. right? Lol... This thread is funny... bunch of people waxing over the good ol' days when Terran used to be good... yet... they still make up 50% of the GSL and still bring home more trophies than either of the other races... Man... the good ol' days... LOL Guess what terrans dont make up? 75% of the ladder, any other sound arguments from you? Yeah, they make up really close to 30%, with the exception of platinum league, where they drop to 27%.(from the last information that was posted in this thread. Apparently you forgot how to read, look again: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all And if you look at the "Americas" which is all I am really concerned about, considering you can leave Korea out of the statistics because they are not a part of this discussion, as they operate on levels higher than our brains can handle... the statistics are even worse, 24% terran at platinum, 25% terran at diamond, 27% terran at masters, seeing a tred? Without denying, that there is a trend of Terrans making a lesser part in the racial distribution these days: A trend describes change, what you do is showing current stats. guess what, zerg was way lesser represented in the first half year of SC2, then Terran is now. yet their trend was that they were growing. Your stats dont show a trend at all, if you want data and an analysis of the trend and to which degree Terrans decline and what the current general trend is (spoiler: zerg growth, terran and protoss decline), page 157 and the pages around are for you. But I guess you have no clue about the difference between a function and it's derivative and what they say.
Ive never seen someone say so many words and say so little at all, what is your point? You say zergs were underplayed at the dawn of the game, now they overwhelmingly dominate the ladder, so what are you trying to argue? you proved my point, terrans are dissapearing, maybe it is not because of balance, maybe it is, either way, they, we are dissapearing.. using big words thrown into the end of your post is not going to change that
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