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Ruscour
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WaKai
Canada88 Posts
I would rather the game be balanced at the highest level, than for lower leagues. I understand, that it is hard for t players, myself being one. Terran, if controled perfectly is in fact op, simply because of the mechanics. The better the pros get, the more t needs to be nerfed, as they reach a new level of which the other races can't reach simply because of GAME DESIGN. Please, stop complaining, suck it up and play the game for what it is and know that you can always improve your micro, macro. You won't be able to improve further by blaming somthing of which you cannot change. You think pro soccer, football, hockey etc players got as good as they did by blaming refs? Please smarten up and represent your race with pride. On a more happy note, i'm so proued that mkp broke his curse :D edit: yes broodwar terrans had more trouble in lower levels, for the same exact reason in sc2. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On April 01 2012 15:15 LavaLava wrote: Wait.... what?? I hope you mean that somewhat figuratively. They're going to have separate ladders for each expansion, as I'm sure you know... Playing WoL after HotS is more like playing Vanilla SC1 after BW, except imagine that Vanilla SC1 is not an incomplete mess of a competitive game. Maybe you mean the community is going to shift to HotS? Well, yes of course, but people will still play WoL and Blizzard said they would continue to support it, and will continue to acknowledge it and support it as the primary game for as long as it takes them to un-break HotS balance and gameplay. With the extreme probable differences between WoL and HotS I would say continuing on WoL is much different than picking say Patch 1.2.2 and starting up a private server to play it on. Vanilla SC1 was most definitely an incomplete mess of a game. | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
On April 01 2012 15:54 Whitewing wrote: Vanilla SC1 was most definitely an incomplete mess of a game. But that defeats the point. Bliz acknowledges that there may be an issue, and are looking to fix it in HoTS, yet completely ignores it in the present (WoL). | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
Go to a thread about GSL-level balance then. This is not it! I want the game to be fun to play at all levels and I expect Blizzard to do something about it. | ||
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riff
United States113 Posts
On April 01 2012 15:42 WaKai wrote: This thread should be closed, its going nowhere. I would rather the game be balanced at the highest level, than for lower leagues. I understand, that it is hard for t players, myself being one. Terran, if controled perfectly is in fact op, simply because of the mechanics. The better the pros get, the more t needs to be nerfed, as they reach a new level of which the other races can't reach simply because of GAME DESIGN. Please, stop complaining, suck it up and play the game for what it is and know that you can always improve your micro, macro. You won't be able to improve further by blaming somthing of which you cannot change. You think pro soccer, football, hockey etc players got as good as they did by blaming refs? Please smarten up and represent your race with pride. On a more happy note, i'm so proued that mkp broke his curse :D edit: yes broodwar terrans had more trouble in lower levels, for the same exact reason in sc2. A discussion doesn't need to "go" anywhere. If the mods wanted to close the thread, it would have been closed long ago. As long as the thread doesn't descend into total anarchy, which it hasn't, there's no reason not to let non-GSL terrans discuss the challenges of playing Terran at a casual level and the relative scarcity of Terrans on the ladder. No one here is saying that Blizzard shouldn't balance the game for the highest levels. Nor is anyone saying that the game is unbalanced at the GSL level. I won't attempt to summarize the thread, because many Terrans better than I have already given their thoughts on the situation, but clearly you haven't read any of it with an open mind. Your suggested approach to "stop complaining, suck it up," is not constructive. You might as well just submit a "l2p" comment, in classic battle.net forum style. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
On April 01 2012 15:42 WaKai wrote: This thread should be closed, its going nowhere. I would rather the game be balanced at the highest level, than for lower leagues. I understand, that it is hard for t players, myself being one. Terran, if controled perfectly is in fact op, simply because of the mechanics. The better the pros get, the more t needs to be nerfed, as they reach a new level of which the other races can't reach simply because of GAME DESIGN. Please, stop complaining, suck it up and play the game for what it is and know that you can always improve your micro, macro. You won't be able to improve further by blaming somthing of which you cannot change. You think pro soccer, football, hockey etc players got as good as they did by blaming refs? Please smarten up and represent your race with pride. On a more happy note, i'm so proued that mkp broke his curse :D edit: yes broodwar terrans had more trouble in lower levels, for the same exact reason in sc2. Wait... so I should just stop hating TvP because it's such a volatile and boring matchup that is part guessing game and part masochistic suffering and just SUCK IT THE FUCK UP? I play the game for what it is, with poorly designed races where on of them (guess which lol) has absolutely no dynamic mechanics and can't tweak shit in their gameplay. I get so saddened when i see posts like yours, you act like some goddamn all-knowing gurus who have the solution to everything. This thread would've been dead long ago and probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the fact that Terrans are actually quitting the game, at a NOTICABLE level. I mean hell, I gave up on terran a few days ago after having lost to blind 4-gate blink stalkers, proxy void rays and 55 minute TvTs and getting rolled by BL-Infestor. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 01 2012 16:50 scypio wrote: Go to a thread about GSL-level balance then. This is not it! I want the game to be fun to play at all levels and I expect Blizzard to do something about it. His arguement is valid for lowlevels: In Korean Terran is nowhere close to having less players than another race, from bronze-GM. sc2ranks.com | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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LavaLava
United States235 Posts
On April 01 2012 15:54 Whitewing wrote: Vanilla SC1 was most definitely an incomplete mess of a game. Yep. That's what I was saying. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
If you have korean ambition, play terran, if you don't play Protoss or Zerg. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On April 01 2012 17:54 Blasterion wrote: I think you other terrans should just accept the match up as it is, even in BW terran was considered the Pro race. Where Protoss was considered a-move, starter, easy race. Terran is the more competitive, and difficult to play. Which is why you see a whole bunch of protoss foreigners. It's just a part of playing the game. That's why Protoss and Zerg player have never been leaders, but Terrans. We must accept our role and move on. And be courageous. If you have korean ambition, play terran, if you don't play Protoss or Zerg. We are the few, the proud, the Terrans. | ||
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AlexanderDebois
Kyrgyzstan38 Posts
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
On April 01 2012 17:54 Blasterion wrote: I think you other terrans should just accept the match up as it is, even in BW terran was considered the Pro race. Where Protoss was considered a-move, starter, easy race. Terran is the more competitive, and difficult to play. Which is why you see a whole bunch of protoss foreigners. It's just a part of playing the game. That's why Protoss and Zerg player have never been leaders, but Terrans. We must accept our role and move on. And be courageous. If you have korean ambition, play terran, if you don't play Protoss or Zerg. I swear to god you had like 5k posts a few days ago o.O | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On April 01 2012 18:04 NoctemSC wrote: I swear to god you had like 5k posts a few days ago o.O I've had 9k for a while now Nya-hahahahahhaha | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 01 2012 17:47 SupLilSon wrote: In KR GM is almost evenly distributed. In Master there are slightly more T than P but P is out performing T. In all the leagues below except Bronze P outnumbers and outperforms T. Z seems to be lacking significantly in KR outside of GM. Probably due to the metagame on KR/TW server. Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
On April 01 2012 17:22 Chaggi wrote: You can raise the skill ceiling of Protoss and that would not affect pro level play That's the point that's been brought up a couple of times already. As of now protoss has a too easy time microing, maybe blizzard should make charge a spell like blink so it doesn't autocast and also make all the zealots attack the clostest target so you have to micro them and spread em out. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On April 01 2012 18:07 Big J wrote: Outperforming is a pretty harsh term, for things like 2% average point differences, especially when there are winrates given for Master league, which say 51,5% for Terran and the exact same number for Protoss. Would be interesting to know what the difference is exactly, if it is metagame, it could be a great argument that Terrans dont need more skill to perform better, but are using the wrong builds in the west.Though I personally rather believe that there is just a reverse of racial popularity in Korea, why there are more Terrans there and why there are more Zergs here. Nah, Koreans are just more capable of using Terran, Terran is after all in both games, SC2 and BW to be considered the hardest race to play. While as Protoss is the easiest, (Relatively) It's really just a part of playing the game as the race, It will be more challenging for the Terran to win games than the other races, which doesn't exactly quote imbalance, but gives it the unique play style that is ....Terran. Just a part of playing the game, other terrans do have the option to switch to one of the easier race is they so do desire. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 01 2012 18:07 decaf wrote: That's the point that's been brought up a couple of times already. As of now protoss has a too easy time microing, maybe blizzard should make charge a spell like blink so it doesn't autocast and also make all the zealots attack the clostest target so you have to micro them and spread em out. Dont they do that already? (attacking the closest target) | ||
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