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On April 01 2012 08:03 pebble444 wrote:also in starcraft the are less and less terrans, we are a race thats dying out 
I know, thats why we Terrans need to suck it up no matter what. Fight with courage. Only left for us is courage.
Steel & honor.
Nerf my ghost, nerf my thor, nerf my whole T3 and MORE ! - I dont care, I'll never swich to P or Z, you cant take the Terran pride from me.
Courage and courage alone stands above them all !
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TvT is easily the most painful matchup in the game. Seige tanks make turtling extremely easily and they reward worse players by easily allowing them to come back from some sort of deficit. It is also a very slow matchup and the games can last forever, with the tiniest mistake leading to your army being destroyed. Other than that, I love playing terran and I find tvz and tvp to be both fair and fun. Thankfully there aren't very many terrans nowadays.
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On April 01 2012 08:36 scarper65 wrote:
TvT is easily the most painful matchup in the game. Seige tanks make turtling extremely easily and they reward worse players by easily allowing them to come back from some sort of deficit. It is also a very slow matchup and the games can last forever, with the tiniest mistake leading to your army being destroyed. Other than that, I love playing terran and I find tvz and tvp to be both fair and fun. Thankfully there aren't very many terrans nowadays.
judging from your statements i guess your not higher than diamond.
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On April 01 2012 08:38 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 08:36 scarper65 wrote:
TvT is easily the most painful matchup in the game. Seige tanks make turtling extremely easily and they reward worse players by easily allowing them to come back from some sort of deficit. It is also a very slow matchup and the games can last forever, with the tiniest mistake leading to your army being destroyed. Other than that, I love playing terran and I find tvz and tvp to be both fair and fun. Thankfully there aren't very many terrans nowadays. judging from your statements i guess your not higher than diamond.
Silver more likely.
TvT are my most action filled and interesting matchup by far. There's always something to do and some way you can comeback. It's balls to the wall start to finish.
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On April 01 2012 07:08 RedMosquito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 06:41 ellaguru wrote:
TvP is awful right now, but i feel like Blizzard understands whats going on. I feel like everything is getting fixed in HotS.
the biggest problem with TvP is hellions dont deal with chargelots. so against chargelots you are forced into marines no matter what. marines which are then vaporized by storm and collosus.
Blizzard's answer: the battle hellion. perfect for chargelots.
another big problem is that mech just isnt viable in TvP due to chargelots, and having to babysit tanks and nonstop micro them. hence, the battle hellion and warhound.
also bioballs cannot stand toe to toe with protoss late game armies. Terran has to kite with stimpack like a headless chicken to even fight a protoss army. the protoss army is totally a-move friendly and the terran isnt. so Blizzard makes the new bigass Thor.
the situation right now is crappy but at least Blizzard sees that is it crappy and is going to do something about it. Blizzard is gonna ruin mech in hots. Ive been preaching it for a while. You know what the best mech unit in the game right now is. Its the thor. Thors are so versatile and great but guess what! Only one thor allowed in hots. Wtf? Were finally seeing mech in pro play in korea and most of it revolves around the thor. In TvZ Thors are massed prior to tanks to deter mutas while adding in tanks later. In TvT we see thors being crucial in breaking siege lines. In TvP Thors are the only viable mech unit really. We dont see it much in pro play but thor based mech armies with ghosts are actually really good in non pro play. Even Thorzain uses it sometimes i heard. As a heavy mech user in all matchups i cant imagine having the same success in hots. Sure battle hellions are ok but they arent the beefy killing machine that is the thor. Chargelotz are still gonna ruin battle hellions lol. Your better off trying to kite them in car mode then you are fighting them straight up where tanks are gonna be hitting your own army. HOTS will be the death of mech.
I don't think anyone can talk about HOTS yet. First, I predict most units will change between now and release, and even after release the balancing will take a long time. It's like balancing WOL but with added complexity.
I may not even buy HOTS the first month it's out. The first 6 months at least of HOTS is going to shake everything up. There will be some strategy for sure as imbalanced as pre-nerfed reapers, and there will be a lot of ladder disruption as those issues get ironed out. Predicting about HOTS is a fools errand right now.
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On April 01 2012 08:07 iksi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 08:03 pebble444 wrote:also in starcraft the are less and less terrans, we are a race thats dying out I know, thats why we Terrans need to suck it up no matter what. Fight with courage. Only left for us is courage. Steel & honor. Nerf my ghost, nerf my thor, nerf my whole T3 and MORE ! - I dont care, I'll never swich to P or Z, you cant take the Terran pride from me. Courage and courage alone stands above them all !
Patch 1.5
Balance
•TERRAN
• Pride now imparts 25 hit point penalty to Marines
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what I want to see is how bliz will fix this issue in WoL. Forget HoTS, Bliz constantly says "oh we wont force anyone to play HoTS, we wont force a transition from WoL if everyone is content playing that."
Bliz admits there is a problem with chargelots vs Terran, that is their whole insentive for the battlehellion. Cool. One question, what is bliz going to do in WoL to fix a problem that they are "fixing" in HoTS?
Blizcon:
Protoss having problems vs mutas, in HoTS we'll introduce tempest. Meanwhile in WoL we'll buff phoenix's.
Terran having problems vs chargelots, HoTS we'll give you battlehellions. Good luck in the meantime tho.
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On April 01 2012 08:38 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 08:36 scarper65 wrote:
TvT is easily the most painful matchup in the game. Seige tanks make turtling extremely easily and they reward worse players by easily allowing them to come back from some sort of deficit. It is also a very slow matchup and the games can last forever, with the tiniest mistake leading to your army being destroyed. Other than that, I love playing terran and I find tvz and tvp to be both fair and fun. Thankfully there aren't very many terrans nowadays. judging from your statements i guess your not higher than diamond.
I'm masters. PM me your information and I'll be happy to play against you.
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On April 01 2012 08:47 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 08:38 teddyoojo wrote:On April 01 2012 08:36 scarper65 wrote:
TvT is easily the most painful matchup in the game. Seige tanks make turtling extremely easily and they reward worse players by easily allowing them to come back from some sort of deficit. It is also a very slow matchup and the games can last forever, with the tiniest mistake leading to your army being destroyed. Other than that, I love playing terran and I find tvz and tvp to be both fair and fun. Thankfully there aren't very many terrans nowadays. judging from your statements i guess your not higher than diamond. Silver more likely. TvT are my most action filled and interesting matchup by far. There's always something to do and some way you can comeback. It's balls to the wall start to finish.
I'm masters. We can easily 1v1 whenever you are up for it. I guess you must be GM if you know so much.
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On April 01 2012 09:16 Rowrin wrote:
what I want to see is how bliz will fix this issue in WoL. Forget HoTS, Bliz constantly says "oh we wont force anyone to play HoTS, we wont force a transition from WoL if everyone is content playing that."
Bliz admits there is a problem with chargelots vs Terran, that is their whole insentive for the battlehellion. Cool. One question, what is bliz going to do in WoL to fix a problem that they are "fixing" in HoTS?
Blizcon:
Protoss having problems vs mutas, in HoTS we'll introduce tempest. Meanwhile in WoL we'll buff phoenix's.
Terran having problems vs chargelots, HoTS we'll give you battlehellions. Good luck in the meantime tho.
lol great point
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On April 01 2012 09:13 LavaLava wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 08:07 iksi wrote:On April 01 2012 08:03 pebble444 wrote:also in starcraft the are less and less terrans, we are a race thats dying out I know, thats why we Terrans need to suck it up no matter what. Fight with courage. Only left for us is courage. Steel & honor. Nerf my ghost, nerf my thor, nerf my whole T3 and MORE ! - I dont care, I'll never swich to P or Z, you cant take the Terran pride from me. Courage and courage alone stands above them all ! Patch 1.5 Balance •TERRAN • Pride now imparts 25 hit point penalty to Marines
Patch 1.5
Balance
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• Pride now removes Ghost Academy in TvP match up.
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On April 01 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 06:59 malaan wrote:
Lets put a scenario I run into regularly on ladder.. a Protoss does a 2 base all in and you defend it with bunkers. You push out for the counter attack and get stormed to death. It doesn't matter if he has no real army left, because 2-3 templars can kill 50+ marines and marauders with basic micro. Once the storm is used, archon time for the lols, while terran's ghosts are pretty much useless once out of energy.
or you could just macro get ghosts due to scouting what he is up to and kill any follow up, because ghosts are still a fucking good unit.
Ghost are not "a fucking good unit" their damage sucks cause they fire so slow, snipe is only useful against temps now, and emp only does shield damage which comes back naturally not to mention it's high cost. I would love to see Ghosts cost 50/150, emp doing damage to all unit types, and allowing them to morph into a super ghost that rolfstomps.
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On April 01 2012 10:07 Apollo147 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 07:05 freetgy wrote:On April 01 2012 06:59 malaan wrote:
Lets put a scenario I run into regularly on ladder.. a Protoss does a 2 base all in and you defend it with bunkers. You push out for the counter attack and get stormed to death. It doesn't matter if he has no real army left, because 2-3 templars can kill 50+ marines and marauders with basic micro. Once the storm is used, archon time for the lols, while terran's ghosts are pretty much useless once out of energy.
or you could just macro get ghosts due to scouting what he is up to and kill any follow up, because ghosts are still a fucking good unit. Ghost are not "a fucking good unit" their damage sucks cause they fire so slow, snipe is only useful against temps now, and emp only does shield damage which comes back naturally not to mention it's high cost. I would love to see Ghosts cost 50/150, emp doing damage to all unit types, and allowing them to morph into a super ghost that rolfstomps.
No kidding can we trade nukiing for the super ghost morph? lol
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Nerf my ghost, nerf my thor, nerf my whole T3 and MORE ! - I dont care, I'll never swich to P or Z, you cant take the Terran pride from me.
that actually goes well with the firefly intro music :D
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Battle hellion will be useless against P.
Why?
Early game, you have low income so your units have to be versatile. Hellions essentially cover all Z ground, and only roaches need 8m+ response. In TvP, though, you need to make marines early even with battlehellions, so it will still be useless early. And later on, battle hellion doesn't mesh with how T positions in TvP.
The only hope of improving the matchup is shredder.
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On April 01 2012 09:16 Rowrin wrote:
what I want to see is how bliz will fix this issue in WoL. Forget HoTS, Bliz constantly says "oh we wont force anyone to play HoTS, we wont force a transition from WoL if everyone is content playing that."
Bliz admits there is a problem with chargelots vs Terran, that is their whole insentive for the battlehellion. Cool. One question, what is bliz going to do in WoL to fix a problem that they are "fixing" in HoTS?
Blizcon:
Protoss having problems vs mutas, in HoTS we'll introduce tempest. Meanwhile in WoL we'll buff phoenix's.
Terran having problems vs chargelots, HoTS we'll give you battlehellions. Good luck in the meantime tho.
I don't think you understand how RTS expansions work. Everyone will 100% be playing the new game because it's the newer version of the game. People still playing WoL are essentially saying they want to play on a previous patch.
Saying you're gonna stay in WoL is the equivalent of saying you're going to keep playing patch 1.0.0 or what not...that's not how RTS works. You play the latest version of the game, and HOTS will be the latest version of the game.
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On April 01 2012 10:32 architecture wrote:
Battle hellion will be useless against P.
Why?
Early game, you have low income so your units have to be versatile. Hellions essentially cover all Z ground, and only roaches need 8m+ response. In TvP, though, you need to make marines early even with battlehellions, so it will still be useless early. And later on, battle hellion doesn't mesh with how T positions in TvP.
The only hope of improving the matchup is shredder.
mass chargelot isnt a problem early game though, marines are cost effective against zealots. its late game when marines get vaporized by aoe and regular hellions arent the hard counter to zealots that they should be. and when zealots are being warped in 10 at a time.
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Just something that was stuck in my head tonight:
+ Show Spoiler +A dead man lay upon the sands,
his dying breath just lost
to winds that carry whispered words
that echo in the ears of souls.
Tell my wife I loved her,
tell my son to stand tall,
and tell my daughter
not to cry a single tear at all.
Tell my folks to smile,
when they hear my name,
and tell them to be proud
of me and all who died the same.
Terran men stand tall and proud,
fighting for the cause,
through nerf’s and broken teeth
we smile at our foes
And ever do we smile,
at Toss and dreaded Zerg,
for we know a thousands losses
for but a single win…
…a win so well deserved…
Struggle on, my borthers. Fight hard, die well, and never stop smiling.
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if only Z and P were better at the early days then blizzard wouldn't feel strongly about nerfing T
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it's odd coz terrans have been claiming the most trophies up till now.. right?
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