EPTSo terrans, after over a year of being the top winrate race at pro level (where every terrans reply to this was: l2p noob toss). You now also want it to be the easiest race to play at low levels.
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manloveman
424 Posts
So terrans, after over a year of being the top winrate race at pro level (where every terrans reply to this was: l2p noob toss). You now also want it to be the easiest race to play at low levels. | ||
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][Primarch][
Sweden302 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:20 manloveman wrote: Hey im bronze. My PvP is 100% but vs Terran its -8% procent. Please fix omfg. So terrans, after over a year of being the top winrate race at pro level (where every terrans reply to this was: l2p noob toss). You now also want it to be the easiest race to play at low levels. Well I don't thing bronze players such as yourself should comment on balance or win-rates, building pylons and not getting supply-blocked would be a good start... | ||
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:24 ][Primarch][ wrote: Well I don't thing bronze players such as yourself should comment on balance or win-rates, building pylons and not getting supply-blocked would be a good start... He was trying to be cheeky. Please don't feed trolls like this, they offer nothing to the thread. Just shun them and pretend they don't exist. If he had an actual argument rather than "lol terran whiners" I'd take him more seriously. | ||
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TheAlchemist89
160 Posts
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Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:24 ][Primarch][ wrote: Well I don't thing bronze players such as yourself should comment on balance or win-rates, building pylons and not getting supply-blocked would be a good start... Rofl, how can you not see the sarcasm? | ||
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Cyclone999
Canada331 Posts
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Sweden302 Posts
lol yeah right, how could I not see that lol....herp derp [sarcasm] | ||
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manloveman
424 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:33 Cyclone999 wrote: Protoss players need to see that when you guys are struggling, Blizzard helped you guys by buffing you guys (and nerfing us). When we have trouble in TvP, Blizzard does absolutely nothing, except when we figure something out (1/1/1, for example) Blizzard nerfs it. Yes, 1-1-1 is now totally unviable... | ||
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Sweden302 Posts
that is not true, 1-1-1 is still viable against some protoss openings. Get the facts! | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
No no silly, what he was implying is that because it's not a 100% winrate and players like BitbyBit can't allin and win everygame that it's a non-viable strat. I think he just wants a build that gives him 100% chance of winning | ||
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Cyclone999
Canada331 Posts
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TheAlchemist89
160 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:45 Cyclone999 wrote: Well, I'm not saying that 1/1/1 didn't need a nerf. What about ghosts? We had trouble engaging Protoss deathball, ghosts were then used, we owned, they got nerfed. The point I'm trying to make is that every time we figure out something that lets us win, it gets nerfed, where that doesn't happen for Protoss. Ghosts are still pretty damn good in TvP, in fact many would say they are necessary. Has there been a recent protoss mechanic that has made them literally unstoppable? (I'm being serious, I just can't think of any... I know storm did redonkulous damage back in the day.. it was nerfed, khydarin amulet was just plain old too good, and sentries used to do too much dmg as well -- but all of these were in the early days). | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:30 NoctemSC wrote: He was trying to be cheeky. Please don't feed trolls like this, they offer nothing to the thread. Just shun them and pretend they don't exist. If he had an actual argument rather than "lol terran whiners" I'd take him more seriously. He actually has a great argument. When you are at the level where you could still improve on everything (i.e. every terran in this thread), the answer is to get better, not sit here and whine that terran is too hard to play. No one cares. Blizzard isn't going to buff the race when it is still dominant at the top level of play. Get better, switch races, or quit playing. Those are your options. | ||
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manloveman
424 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:45 Cyclone999 wrote: Well, I'm not saying that 1/1/1 didn't need a nerf. What about ghosts? We had trouble engaging Protoss deathball, ghosts were then used, we owned, they got nerfed. The point I'm trying to make is that every time we figure out something that lets us win, it gets nerfed, where that doesn't happen for Protoss. So you didnt think the ghost needed a nerf? They where the most retarded unit in the game. Here is the problem as it stands now. Protoss (i played protoss, i play random now, but zerg lately) is "easy" to play in the sense, that their general compositions is much more effective at a straight up a move vs a move. This is very true, but how do you fix it, without trashing balance at high levels. I dont see it. A consolation could be that toss is very boring to play imo, which i why i personally switched. I dont care if loose or not. Im shit at the game anyway, so might aswell have fun while doing it. | ||
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Horseballs
United States721 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:50 HardlyNever wrote: He actually has a great argument. When you are at the level where you could still improve on everything (i.e. every terran in this thread), the answer is to get better, not sit here and whine that terran is too hard to play. No one cares. Blizzard isn't going to buff the race when it is still dominant at the top level of play. Get better, switch races, or quit playing. Those are your options. The thing is that it isn't good for the health of the game if an overwhelming amount of terrans switch races or flat out quit playing. And it isn't so simple as just "get better," as is demonstrated over and over in this thread; it seems to be the case that "getting" better is easier to do up to a certain point with the races other than terran. At the end of the day I don't care about e-sports, I don't care about high-level balance when it is a chore to play the game that is supposed to be recreation. | ||
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Cyclone999
Canada331 Posts
This is very true, but how do you fix it, without trashing balance at high levels. I dont see it. The majority of Terrans I've seen so far in this thread has agreed that by giving Protoss more possibilities for micro would be the best idea. At that high level of balance, pros can easily handle more micro, but at the lower leagues Protoss can't just literally a-move zealot/archon and win. | ||
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manloveman
424 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:02 Cyclone999 wrote: The majority of Terrans I've seen so far in this thread has agreed that by giving Protoss more possibilities for micro would be the best idea. At that high level of balance, pros can easily handle more micro, but at the lower leagues Protoss can't just literally a-move zealot/archon and win. Well pros dont a move. You have to assume that mc for example already plays to the best of his ability, with his max apm. So giving him more micro task would hurt him. As such, that would be a nerf to high level toss. A significant one too. | ||
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allerion
62 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:56 Horseballs wrote: The thing is that it isn't good for the health of the game if an overwhelming amount of terrans switch races or flat out quit playing. And it isn't so simple as just "get better," as is demonstrated over and over in this thread; it seems to be the case that "getting" better is easier to do up to a certain point with the races other than terran. At the end of the day I don't care about e-sports, I don't care about high-level balance when it is a chore to play the game that is supposed to be recreation. So your argument as to why you dont want to put in the effort to get better is that you play casually, so blizzard should make it easier for you. its attitudes like yours that are the reasons games today are as easy as they are | ||
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:50 HardlyNever wrote: He actually has a great argument. When you are at the level where you could still improve on everything (i.e. every terran in this thread), the answer is to get better, not sit here and whine that terran is too hard to play. No one cares. Blizzard isn't going to buff the race when it is still dominant at the top level of play. Get better, switch races, or quit playing. Those are your options. So when you have two players that, lets just say, get supply blocked every 3 generic supply donation buildings/creatures, it's fair that one of them will always have a better chance of winning just because he picked Protoss? | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
k, no more terran complaining amirite? | ||
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