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Solid_J
Profile Joined February 2012
Norway18 Posts
March 25 2012 18:16 GMT
#2781
On March 26 2012 02:51 Huitzi wrote:
MKP vs Parting anyone? After winning a huge battle, MKP's lead gets destroyed by 2 storms. While the Protoss can harrass expansions with 2 chargelots costing 200 and most of their army is only chargelots, interesting.


Im a terran player and I suck vs toss, but I totally agree with the other people quoting you. Parting had incredible spread and sick templar control. He deserved to win that game. Further, if no storms would ever hit, the bioball with their insane DPS would crush the standing army of Parting. Toss needs splash compensate.

Ofcourse, taldarim favors protoss more than terran, but that doesent make it imba.
Berailfor
Profile Joined January 2012
441 Posts
March 25 2012 18:27 GMT
#2782
On March 26 2012 03:07 Valfar.ein.Windir wrote:
I cant take it anymore. Too many losses against Protoss 2 Base all-ins. Too many games that end because of one moment of failure. Too much. I'm infested now. I am a part of the swarm...


Lol Protoss 2 base allins are stronger against Zerg than against Terran so you know.
mapleleafs791
Profile Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
March 25 2012 18:49 GMT
#2783
On March 26 2012 03:27 Berailfor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 03:07 Valfar.ein.Windir wrote:
I cant take it anymore. Too many losses against Protoss 2 Base all-ins. Too many games that end because of one moment of failure. Too much. I'm infested now. I am a part of the swarm...


Lol Protoss 2 base allins are stronger against Zerg than against Terran so you know.


Just let him switch and realize that the grass isnt as green as he thinks when the same shit keeps happening and he keeps losing.

But why blame yourself when you can blame others right?
Spor.534 Master Zerg NA
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
March 25 2012 18:49 GMT
#2784
On March 26 2012 02:51 Huitzi wrote:
MKP vs Parting anyone? After winning a huge battle, MKP's lead gets destroyed by 2 storms. While the Protoss can harrass expansions with 2 chargelots costing 200 and most of their army is only chargelots, interesting.


Lol are u serious? It was completely MKP's fault for walking straight through 3 storms, and thus he deserved to lose the lead. If he dodged those storms or avoided them he would have most likely won the game tho
Question.?
Bidj
Profile Joined September 2010
France98 Posts
March 25 2012 19:08 GMT
#2785
On March 26 2012 03:49 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 02:51 Huitzi wrote:
MKP vs Parting anyone? After winning a huge battle, MKP's lead gets destroyed by 2 storms. While the Protoss can harrass expansions with 2 chargelots costing 200 and most of their army is only chargelots, interesting.


Lol are u serious? It was completely MKP's fault for walking straight through 3 storms, and thus he deserved to lose the lead. If he dodged those storms or avoided them he would have most likely won the game tho


Are you aware that storm aren't nukes ?
You don't walk into storms, those things are instant.

And similarly, you can't really dodge storm. Premptive split and get out of them and avoid at best (and really, at best) half the damage.
Rooooaaaar
mapleleafs791
Profile Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 19:14:34
March 25 2012 19:13 GMT
#2786
On March 26 2012 04:08 Bidj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 03:49 biology]major wrote:
On March 26 2012 02:51 Huitzi wrote:
MKP vs Parting anyone? After winning a huge battle, MKP's lead gets destroyed by 2 storms. While the Protoss can harrass expansions with 2 chargelots costing 200 and most of their army is only chargelots, interesting.


Lol are u serious? It was completely MKP's fault for walking straight through 3 storms, and thus he deserved to lose the lead. If he dodged those storms or avoided them he would have most likely won the game tho


Are you aware that storm aren't nukes ?
You don't walk into storms, those things are instant.

And similarly, you can't really dodge storm. Premptive split and get out of them and avoid at best (and really, at best) half the damage.


You can dodge them.
I hate youtube linking but:


If a templar with energy is walking towards your army you can back off, similar to dodgeing and baiting forcefields.

And after the storm gets dropped you can run outside of it after 1 tick or so.

Noone is saying to preemptively dodge all of the storm but wasting energy and minimizing damage are possible and necessary

Edit: and you may not walk into a storm but you do walk into a high energy templar clumped up which is pretty much the same thing
Spor.534 Master Zerg NA
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
March 25 2012 19:28 GMT
#2787
They all went into the collective body of MKP the fucking God of Terran
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
March 25 2012 19:56 GMT
#2788
To all the people saying that Terran is balanced at the higher levels and it doesn't matter that lower league players are having troubles:

A) Fuck you. We want to have fun as well.

B) It does matter. You do realize that this game will die out if the vast majority of people cannot play a race to become good enough as the pros? After the current pros go, there will be no more Terrans since they will never get the chance to learn the race at the lower levels to move up onto the higher levels. It really does matter, and everyone, including those who don't play terran should be concerned as well. If I saw a race like Protoss or Zerg begin to disappear I would be troubled.
youtube.com/GamingCyDe-- My totally abandoned youtube channel that I might revisit at some point
Dzerzhinsky
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland327 Posts
March 25 2012 20:00 GMT
#2789
Foreign Terrans went 3-15 in MLG Pool+Championship bracket, with a 33% TvP (5-10), 27% TvZ (5-13), and 11% TvT (1-8 -- all againt Koreans). I don't know about you, but I feel inspired.
"All science would be superfluous if the outward appearance and the essence of things coincided directly."
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 20:06:32
March 25 2012 20:02 GMT
#2790
On March 26 2012 04:56 CyDe wrote:
To all the people saying that Terran is balanced at the higher levels and it doesn't matter that lower league players are having troubles:

A) Fuck you. We want to have fun as well.

B) It does matter. You do realize that this game will die out if the vast majority of people cannot play a race to become good enough as the pros? After the current pros go, there will be no more Terrans since they will never get the chance to learn the race at the lower levels to move up onto the higher levels. It really does matter, and everyone, including those who don't play terran should be concerned as well. If I saw a race like Protoss or Zerg begin to disappear I would be troubled.


bw wasn't easy still people play it.
or wait for the expansion or try mech.
and 1-1-1 or 2-2-2 is still a super high winrate strategy
or the easiest solution get better.

i mean if your win rate is crap in one match up the strategy you use doesn't matter right? experiment
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 25 2012 20:02 GMT
#2791
On March 26 2012 05:00 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
Foreign Terrans went 3-15 in MLG Pool+Championship bracket, with a 33% TvP (5-10), 27% TvZ (5-13), and 11% TvT (1-8 -- all againt Koreans). I don't know about you, but I feel inspired.

The sad thing is that people (and blizzard) will think Terran is fine because MarineKing/Heart/Ganzi win a lot.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 25 2012 20:05 GMT
#2792
On March 26 2012 05:02 freetgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 04:56 CyDe wrote:
To all the people saying that Terran is balanced at the higher levels and it doesn't matter that lower league players are having troubles:

A) Fuck you. We want to have fun as well.

B) It does matter. You do realize that this game will die out if the vast majority of people cannot play a race to become good enough as the pros? After the current pros go, there will be no more Terrans since they will never get the chance to learn the race at the lower levels to move up onto the higher levels. It really does matter, and everyone, including those who don't play terran should be concerned as well. If I saw a race like Protoss or Zerg begin to disappear I would be troubled.


bw wasn't easy still people played it.

the solution is simple, get better

But we're playing against people of equal skill to us, right? Why is it fair that they have a huge advantage in late game play and we're forced to do stupid all ins?
eFonSG
Profile Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
March 25 2012 20:07 GMT
#2793
On March 26 2012 04:56 CyDe wrote:
To all the people saying that Terran is balanced at the higher levels and it doesn't matter that lower league players are having troubles:

A) Fuck you. We want to have fun as well.

B) It does matter. You do realize that this game will die out if the vast majority of people cannot play a race to become good enough as the pros? After the current pros go, there will be no more Terrans since they will never get the chance to learn the race at the lower levels to move up onto the higher levels. It really does matter, and everyone, including those who don't play terran should be concerned as well. If I saw a race like Protoss or Zerg begin to disappear I would be troubled.



Yeah because this is completely logical and in no way hyperbole? I know PLENTY of terrans who enjoy themselves in diamond/masters/GM. Just because YOU cant do something, doesnt mean that everyone cannot.

Dude if the way for you to have fun in this game is to win, then get fucking better. Terran win-rates go up and up as you get to higher and higher levels. Clearly its not easy, but no race is no matter what want to think.

To say that all the terrans are going to disappear is funny, hyperbolic, illogical, and not worth anymore response than this.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
March 25 2012 20:08 GMT
#2794
Imo the problem is not that terran is too hard at low leve, but that protoss is too easy at low level.
At high level sure, terran can evade storm, use its ghosts better, split marine and marauders.
But what about protoss at low level ? with easy cast bullshit, no reaver, a click colossus and gateway.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 20:09:25
March 25 2012 20:08 GMT
#2795
On March 26 2012 05:05 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 05:02 freetgy wrote:
On March 26 2012 04:56 CyDe wrote:
To all the people saying that Terran is balanced at the higher levels and it doesn't matter that lower league players are having troubles:

A) Fuck you. We want to have fun as well.

B) It does matter. You do realize that this game will die out if the vast majority of people cannot play a race to become good enough as the pros? After the current pros go, there will be no more Terrans since they will never get the chance to learn the race at the lower levels to move up onto the higher levels. It really does matter, and everyone, including those who don't play terran should be concerned as well. If I saw a race like Protoss or Zerg begin to disappear I would be troubled.


bw wasn't easy still people played it.

the solution is simple, get better

But we're playing against people of equal skill to us, right? Why is it fair that they have a huge advantage in late game play and we're forced to do stupid all ins?


But we're playing against people of equal skill to us, right? Why is it fair that they have a huge advantage in early / midgame game play?

early game and mid game comes still before, lategame. as long as those issues are fixed (there are still design issues in each race 4 sure), and no glaring balancing issues arise in highlevel play in lategame, nothing is going to change.
ToInfinity
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands61 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 20:36:07
March 25 2012 20:31 GMT
#2796
On March 26 2012 05:00 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
Foreign Terrans went 3-15 in MLG Pool+Championship bracket, with a 33% TvP (5-10), 27% TvZ (5-13), and 11% TvT (1-8 -- all againt Koreans). I don't know about you, but I feel inspired.


since mirror is the worst how can you even complain about it?

2 terrans in the top 4, and 1 in the top 2
dont see how the nationality of the players is so interesting
Dzerzhinsky
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland327 Posts
March 25 2012 20:42 GMT
#2797
On March 26 2012 05:31 ToInfinity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 05:00 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
Foreign Terrans went 3-15 in MLG Pool+Championship bracket, with a 33% TvP (5-10), 27% TvZ (5-13), and 11% TvT (1-8 -- all againt Koreans). I don't know about you, but I feel inspired.


since mirror is the worst how can you even complain about it?

2 terrans in the top 4, and 1 in the top 2
dont see how the nationality of the players is so interesting

My point is that foreign Terrans never get anywhere in major tournaments (and really outside of 2 notable examples from a year ago never have). That ties into this thread (originally asking why there are so few Terrans on ladder) since a lot of players take inspiration and pride from the successful foreign members of their race (see, for example, the way in which Idra shaped just about every foreign Zerg's strategy and sense of identity for well over a year). Terrans don't really have that.

In the past others have taken this trend as evidence that Terran can only compete if you have MKP level unit control. But that's not something I care to get into personally.
"All science would be superfluous if the outward appearance and the essence of things coincided directly."
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
March 25 2012 20:47 GMT
#2798
Lol MKP is literally the "anti" this thread. He defies all of this "logic" we are hearing in here, he is right now sitting as either 1st or 2nd in MLG for sure...

See what is really being said in this thread is, foriegn terrans just aren't as good as korean terrans. Foreigner zergs/protoss can play with Koreans of all races, yet the terrans can't so terran is underpowered... Last time I checked, the only notable SC1 BW terran was Idra, barely vs koreans. So how about this, you stop trying to balance the game for bad players, and balance for the top like we should do.
FoTG fighting!
Jonsoload
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany62 Posts
March 25 2012 20:49 GMT
#2799
I don't view late game as a problem for Terrans, but rather a failure in the design of the 3 races as a whole.
Terran is good early-mid game, exploit that.
Protoss is good late-game, exploit that as well.

Essentially:
Tier 1 units of Protoss should be buffed, and/or tier 3 nerfed.
Tier 1 units of Terran should be nerfed, and/or tier 3 nerfed.
I want a TC icon,not a race icon of scII :(
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 21:02:19
March 25 2012 20:54 GMT
#2800
Where did all of the terrans go? They are all in code S by like 2-1 over others. Seriously I belive it's hardest to play but once you do perfect it it's real strong. All the leaques you quote are not even close to playing perfect,

Whole game needs to be rewritten but I think expansion will be awesome on many levels and do it.
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