EPThave you completed 1v1 placement within the last week? lol
Bronze level players - Page 11
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
have you completed 1v1 placement within the last week? lol | ||
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TurnipThrowingPeach
United States151 Posts
On March 11 2012 15:14 Adamgm wrote: I guess I'm living proof that this isn't true. I can second that. I never throw a game, and nor am I horrible. I follow the scene by watching streams and tournaments daily. A silver person challenged me a couple days ago, and I wrecked him half-asleep after staying up all night...so I can't be that bad. lol My BF who is high level platinum watches games I play and it's still good fun to watch SC2, even at the bronze league level. He says not executing during the right time is a big problem I have. I do better when he coaches me and tells me when to attack. I beat gold/silver players sometimes on my own. Also, you hear casters talk about timings in almost every game. It's a huge part of winning. You can have the right build, and make plenty of workers, but if you don't use your army efficiently and attack at the right moment, you will lose. | ||
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Iwbhs
United States195 Posts
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On March 11 2012 17:21 Iwbhs wrote: I don't understand how you can't get out of bronze. If you play 2h a day, you shouldn't be in bronze anymore. It's because you're not trying to understand and you force your prejudice on people. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On March 11 2012 17:21 Iwbhs wrote: I don't understand how you can't get out of bronze. If you play 2h a day, you shouldn't be in bronze anymore. That's a lot of game time for many with full time jobs and family. | ||
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danielrosca
Romania123 Posts
On March 11 2012 17:24 freakhill wrote: It's because you're not trying to understand and you force your prejudice on people. but if he spent 2h a day trying to understand, he'd most likely get it. | ||
ttfdrevil
United States16 Posts
I've learned to live with it. I presume half the people doing this are bored and trying to entertain themselves. The other half are likely trying to learn a new race (but already have much better mechanics and timing than me). it does makes for a very frustrating experience, though. I lost 13 games in a row in two nights at the beginning of season six. Some due to people sandbagging, others due to frustration that built up. Tonight I played three games (made back most of those losses since then). The first was a legitimate match up. The second was against a season 5 master level player (that quit at minute zero) and the third was against a previously high level gold Zerg. He at least took the time to play me and clearly win before quitting. I was his umpteenth loss in a row. Are the leagues tougher - I think so, at least in part due to the havoc that the aforementioned issues impact your play experience or mmr. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
1st match against someone that shouldn't be gold, 2nd match against an instant leaver that *needs to lower his mmr because he doesn't want to go to masters* thus inflating my mmr and maintaining me in gold instead of sinking to silver... | ||
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[BST]Cato
Sweden2 Posts
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On March 11 2012 21:19 [BST]Cato wrote: Atleast on EU Bronze to Plat / Dimond is around the same skill. Say what? | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On March 11 2012 21:19 [BST]Cato wrote: Atleast on EU Bronze to Plat / Dimond is around the same skill. ... that's completely untrue. Like, 100% totally untrue. There's overlap between the boundaries of leagues (there are some people in gold who should be silver, and some who should be plat) but that's just how the system works. But plat players are significantly better than gold/silver/bronze, from first hand experience. Diamond is significantly better still, and masters even more so. | ||
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AFSpeeDy
126 Posts
. But playing every day 10 games without thinking about it, won't help you to become better, play less games but think about it, and you will recognice you're improvement. PS: Sry my english isn't the best^^. | ||
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lodeet
United States147 Posts
Just following the pro scene and watching streams all day will NOT improve your level of play. I have a friend in silver who follows a lot of sc2 pro scene and has a good understanding of the game, but when I watch him play he makes the same mistakes over and over which prevents him excelling at the game. Day9 said it well that once you fix a something in your game you develop more problems because you don't know how to adapt to the new possibilites. So you have to work on only a few things at a time if you want to get better. You cannot simply just play the game and expect to get better. You have to focus on certain areas of your game if you want it to improve. This is why everyone always says all you need is decent macro to get up to atleast diamond which is so true. Following build orders and timing attacks will not help you improve. All it does is teach you how to do the same thing over and over again. Build orders and timing attacks are designed to counter other build orders and timing attacks. If all you do is use the same build order every game you are just praying that you opponent is doing the exact thing it counters. It can work out a lot in lower leagues because most people at those levels have no idea what they are doing anyways, but if you just learn how to macro you will progress. I went from gold to diamond in 2 weeks because I learned how to make 200/200 roaches by 12 minutes with 1/1 and speed. You can apply the same concept to marines or stalkers and crush every game at low levels by just a-moving across the map. Noobie players like to pretend like they have good macro or use excuses like they need the right unit compostition or build order or timing attack when in reality those things simply don't matter at low levels of play. You have to admit to yourself that you don't know what you don't know and accept the advice from better players. If you want to be the best you have to learn from the best it's that simple. You cannot be stubborn or you will never learn or change. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
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lazyitachi
1043 Posts
- Do not constantly produce workers... they usually only have 20 in 10 min and MAYBE 50 in a long game - overmake/ undermake production facility - think MICRO > MACRO - think STRATEGY > base management Bronze players should instead: - keep in check unspent resources - monitor worker production - know supportable production based on how many base/ gas taken - improve your max out time Bronze players who think they have good macro please post replay. | ||
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xlava
United States676 Posts
I'm high masters, and I demolish any diamond and even some low masters players that I play in customs (friends, for example). Its not even remotely close, I simply outplay them. If there's such a huge skill difference between masters and diamond alone, bronze must be unfathomably bad. Sorry but I can't say I agree with the purported theory that bronze players aren't as bad as they used to be. There was a blog written by Gheed I think, which basically showed how he has a 50% win rate with worker rushing in bronze... I mean common... Also read the above post for basically all my points about bronze league. Edit: I can agree, however, that the overall skill of all the leagues has risen since a while back when the game started. However, the skill of masters and gm has risen faster than the other leagues in my opinion. | ||
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vorxaw
Canada245 Posts
when i train young badminton players who cant seem to hit right to the edge of the court, i tell them to hit it out of bounds, sounds weird but they cant see and feel what is it not close enough and whats too far, then they can finetune their shots Before I tried the drill, i didnt know that if you contain ur opponent from the start, 15mins later, you CAN be on 6 base and FORTY-FVE rax, thats what macro is. once you feel what that kind of macro is, you know what to aim for. I found it helped me tremendously to break the bronze league mentality. | ||
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On March 12 2012 06:52 vorxaw wrote: I dont know about other races, but for terran, just watch halbysc's mineral drill on youtube. takes 5mins to learn and will get you out of bronze league, almost guaranteed...through macro, not some weird cheese. Interesting, I'll have to take a look at that one, I've never seen a Terran macrostomp attempt before. | ||
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