Bronze level players - Page 12

On March 12 2012 03:01 lazyitachi wrote:
This thread does not compute.. Bronze players in general:
- Do not constantly produce workers... they usually only have 20 in 10 min and MAYBE 50 in a long game
- overmake/ undermake production facility
- think MICRO > MACRO
- think STRATEGY > base management

Bronze players should instead:
- keep in check unspent resources
- monitor worker production
- know supportable production based on how many base/ gas taken
- improve your max out time

Bronze players who think they have good macro please post replay.

On March 12 2012 03:26 xlava wrote:
I don't understand what this means, how can there be a hardcore bronze player?

I'm high masters, and I demolish any diamond and even some low masters players that I play in customs (friends, for example). Its not even remotely close, I simply outplay them. If there's such a huge skill difference between masters and diamond alone, bronze must be unfathomably bad.

Sorry but I can't say I agree with the purported theory that bronze players aren't as bad as they used to be. There was a blog written by Gheed I think, which basically showed how he has a 50% win rate with worker rushing in bronze... I mean common...

Also read the above post for basically all my points about bronze league.

Edit: I can agree, however, that the overall skill of all the leagues has risen since a while back when the game started. However, the skill of masters and gm has risen faster than the other leagues in my opinion.

On March 12 2012 07:32 biology]major wrote:
I don't care how untalented or stupid you are, if you remotely put any effort into learning and practicing the game you should be out of bronze. (unless actually mentally or physically challenged). If you are actually just trolling in games and your objective is not to win but just have fun then thats fine.

However if you consider yourself "hardcore" and still in bronze and even silver/gold/plat then that just means 2 things :
highly delusional ( no effort or practice but still expect to be "above average")
or just mentally incapable

not trying to be offensive, but just trying to say it how it is

On March 12 2012 07:27 Adamgm wrote:

So, if I don't think these things...then what?

I went and looked at 2 random games. I hit 50 probes before 14 minutes in both.

On March 12 2012 07:29 Adamgm wrote:

The Gheed post has come up quite a few times. Considering we have multiple bronze players here talking about lengthy macro games, maybe it's possible that Gheed only picked the bad games? It seems to me that he went with the intent of writing an article that bronze league was nothing but drooling idiots spamming a-move.

On March 12 2012 07:27 Adamgm wrote:


So, if I don't think these things...then what?

I went and looked at 2 random games. I hit 50 probes before 14 minutes in both.

On March 08 2012 17:53 Adamgm wrote:
The secondary for writing this is that I spent a long time rather frustrated that I was still in bronze, and I wasn't enjoying myself. Perhaps someone else is in this situation... a switch to being OK with your level of play might do what it did for me, and bring more enjoyment to your play time!

On March 12 2012 07:52 xlava wrote:


Either:

1. You're lying, which I feel like is counter productive to everyone in this thread.

or

2. You're building pure Nexuses and no units and dying to 15 minute 4gates or something. Because if you are able to pump 50 workers by 14 minutes you should not be in bronze league.

On March 12 2012 08:29 Anomi wrote:
I tell u this Adamg. There is another problem people don’t think about when they are in the lower leagues. That is to accept their limitations. Being bronze means u don’t have the required multitasking to do everything. Meaning u can’t Do great macro, micro and good decision making at the same time. If u only focus on building probes without queeing them will suffer in other parts. If u try to have good units management u will suffer in the macro department. If u try to do everything while not having the ability to do it u will just end up with not being able to do any of them.
So my point is that u might be trying too hard to be good. Instead choose one thing and focus on that and don’t overdo it .

For instance I decided to focus on macro only when I was in bronze. I used to just a-move my army and go back to base and macroing. Even if my opponent crushed my army I would still win because my macro would allow me to throw way new army over and over again since my opponent focused on unit management and chose not to macro.
I also lost allot of matches even when I had 10 times better economy because of not having enough units or throwing them away to much. I focused too much on making workers and expanding that i keept losing more games then i won. So my advice is this than. Focus on your macro in the beginning of the game only. And after u expanded switch your focus to unit management and let your macro slip. This means no fancy presure builders,bunker rushes or stuff like that at the begining of the game. After your ecnomy is sett u should not worry about building workers or if your mony floats. Just try to controll your untis and get good engagments.

On March 12 2012 07:46 Monkeyballs25 wrote:


The Gheed post proved that
-bronze people on average don't know the standard response to a worker rush(A-moving your own workers), and that silver+ generally do
Not much else. If I'd never read teamliquid, I wouldn't know the response to a worker rush either, because I have literally seen it once it 200 or so silver/gold games.

On March 08 2012 19:21 NoctemSC wrote:

While true that Golds are getting better that means that Diamond are getting better as well.
Essentially if everyone improves, the skill difference between a Diamond and a Gold is still huge.
I've done some practice matches vs a few of my teams lowest members (Gold community members) because they insist to play someone higher to improve. Every game has been a landslide win.
Gold players still have the same problems they had a year, their macro still needs a lot of work and unit comp is still God awful.

On March 12 2012 08:53 Micket wrote:
Bronze players who think they can macro are deluding themselves. You can beat bronzies by making any units at random timings with no overall strategy. Those who are saying 'bronze/silver Players are much better now' are also deluding themselves. If you can't max out as Terran in 15 minutes vs the easy computer, your macro sucks. If you can't remember to make workers, you suck. I sometimes play a few monobattles for fun, and it is really funny when I see my bronze/silver teammates have 40 workers created for the whole game. That's less than 2 base saturation. Don't ever use the word expand, timing, map control, positioning or composition if you can't even make workers.

On March 12 2012 08:53 Micket wrote:
Bronze players who think they can macro are deluding themselves. You can beat bronzies by making any units at random timings with no overall strategy. Those who are saying 'bronze/silver Players are much better now' are also deluding themselves. If you can't max out as Terran in 15 minutes vs the easy computer, your macro sucks. If you can't remember to make workers, you suck. I sometimes play a few monobattles for fun, and it is really funny when I see my bronze/silver teammates have 40 workers created for the whole game. That's less than 2 base saturation. Don't ever use the word expand, timing, map control, positioning or composition if you can't even make workers.

On March 11 2012 15:00 Adamgm wrote:


I don't think its an intelligence capacity. I'm a Physics major and work for the aerospace/defense industry.

On March 12 2012 09:22 TheBanana wrote:


I don't think that either, I have a friend in bronze who has a masters degree in programming, his problem is definitely not intelligence.
He also has good macro. Micro, not so much.

His biggest problem is that he basically dies to any kind of mineral line harassment, because he doesn't manage to save his workers.
He reacts poorly and just crumbles.

If there was no mineral line harassment or multipronged attacks he would be out of bronze in no time. But luckily there is.

On March 12 2012 09:13 Adamgm wrote:


You haven't read a single other post have you?