TLPD winrates February 2012 - Page 9

On March 03 2012 04:21 shizna wrote:
even immortals are completely broken... for same cost/supply they kill all terran ground units... only banshee can kill immortals cost effectively...

On March 03 2012 04:25 SeaSwift wrote:


You must be joking.

On March 03 2012 04:03 Plansix wrote:


I did not say that. You made the argument that the game is not balanced for you, at your skill level. This means that you somehow feel that the some of the players who beat you are somehow less skilled that you, but are abusing some imbalance to win games. People make this argument all the time, that less talented players beat them and it is the games fault for this. There are parts of the game where one race has an advantage, but it is your job as a player, to be aware of these. If you have a poor win rate against a specific race, that is a bad match up. Not imbalance because you are in a specific league.

More importantly, if people with higher skill levels than you can have win rates at 50%, you should be asking "why is the game not balanced for me?" You should be asking, "what can I do, at my skill level, to be more like them?"

On March 02 2012 20:00 MVTaylor wrote:
No surprise at all in the PvT win rate favoring Protoss, I sincerely hope the recent trend in patches from Blizzard is reversed if they are ever able to realise that they've gone too far.

Likewise I think the international ZvT win rates again make everyone question why snipe got changed. Blizzard had almost actually achieved a near perfect 50/50 match up in TvZ and then they make a change which I am 100% sure will show the different once TLPD March gets released.

Just as a general point on TLPD Korea that I think people should consider. If you think about the number of top, top, top tier Terrans there are and the number of decent Zergs then that is why the match up looks so bad. If there were more good Zergs other than DRG, NesTea, Leenock and Curious then it wouldn't look so bad as for each of them I can name five Terrans of similar or better skill level. Given how small the sample size is I'd even just state that CoCa competing in no tournaments has been detrimental (1400 TvZ's in 12 months, ~100 TvZ's a month, no CoCa, around 15 less TvZ's given KSL/ESV/GSL)

so, you have TLPD International rates, where there are loads of great players split about evenly between all races, or TLPD Korea where there are loads of amazing Terrans, then Protoss and then Zerg. Having said that I obviously can't explain why PvT is so favored in Korea as it shouldn't be given my reasoning, although Protoss did have a great month in GSL.... maybe I'll just refer back to the first point in my post.

On March 03 2012 04:12 hasuterrans wrote:
Funny, if you had listened to many protoss posters over the past month you may have gotten the mistaken idea that mutalisks had completely unbalanced PvZ.

On March 03 2012 04:21 shizna wrote:
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imo zealots, HT, colossus and archon are far too versatile compared to terran units.
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On March 03 2012 06:10 ACrow wrote:

Absolutely. Marines totally need to be more versatile.

On March 03 2012 05:46 Severedevil wrote:
I can only think of a few things I'm convinced really aren't OK in SC2 at the moment, and they're pretty minor:

-Carriers.

-Thor strike cannons.

-Raven Seeker Missile.

-Raven autoturret's attack not receiving upgrades from anything, to keep pace with armor.

-Hydras being weak, now that maps aren't teeny-tiny.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the improvements in Protoss early-game PvT, and I suspect clever counterattacks will be the simplest solution. Protoss seems to rely upon their ability to put every single attacking unit in one place due to warp-ins, but a couple Reapers/Hellions/Banshees can cheaply force a disproportionate amount of units to stay home and defend. A medivac can do a similar job, but not until you've got stim and a decent bio force, which leaves the window that current Protoss seem to be exploiting...

On March 03 2012 07:00 xrapture wrote:


Toss deal with harrass easiest out of all the races. They have static defense that hits air and ground without costing supply, and they can warp in units in response to anything.

"Reapers/Hellions/Banshees can cheaply force a disproportionate amount of units to stay home and defend"

well 2 stalkers is enough for reapers (not to mention if the terran builds more than 1 the toss already won the game), warp in is enough for helions, and banshee openings are pretty common but only do damage if the toss isn't prepared. Zerg and terran preemptively get spore crawlers and missle turrets nearly every game, yet I never see toss place a single cannon.

These past couple months toss have been hardcore greedy, and there aren't many timings that can punish them. When we see a Terran defeat toss from early timings it's because he is absurdly better than the toss, aka marineking vs Huk/naniwa, polt vs hero, puma vs titan. Evenely matched, like today Sjow vs Tod, or Thorzain vs Grubby at MLG toss has the advantage in nearly all aspects of the game besides super early.

On March 03 2012 07:05 Recognizable wrote:


Indeed, another problem in the TvP matchup is how there are almost zero viable all ins for terran. I can think of 2, marine scv all in, which any non greedy build can stop without having to be scouted, and 1-1-1, which any 1 gate FE crushes. However, on the other hand protoss has about 8+ viable all ins I can think off, and any of them will basically kill you if not prepared. This allows protoss to be super greedy and they are already taking 3rd at minute 6 whilst pressuring with 8+ gateways. Really scary stuff.