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Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
February 27 2012 03:32 GMT
#261
On February 27 2012 11:33 Stoffelhase wrote:
maybe the consider a "redemption" for naniwa, giving him the code s seed for his 2011 results and his lately way better behaviour.


I don't know if there is a less offensive way to say this, but he doesn't need to be given another GSL seed, particularly not code S.
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
February 27 2012 03:32 GMT
#262
Polt and violet should get the code S seeds
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 27 2012 03:32 GMT
#263
On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea.


Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed.

Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.




Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 03:42:17
February 27 2012 03:35 GMT
#264
On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea.


Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed.

Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.




Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.

So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd.
Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight?
Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun.

Charity seeds is bad enough, but when you actually limit it to the skin color of a person there is something severely wrong around here.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 27 2012 03:41 GMT
#265
On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea.


Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed.

Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.




Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.

So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd.
Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight?
Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun.


Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa).
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
February 27 2012 03:44 GMT
#266
A good idea now might be to give mkp an auto code s seed and then give someone else his up and down like a polt or huk so they can earn there code s back or get a code a seed which I think is fair
Moar banelings less qq
KimJongIlJr
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (North)61 Posts
February 27 2012 03:44 GMT
#267
No one mentioned deserves a code S spot. That said, if they were given a code A spot, I would go with Violet and <insert foreigner to be roflstomped here>. As long as it isnt Naniwa, Huk, or Idra, I dont care.

Stop with the code S freebies Boss Chae. Institute a 3 strikes youre out policy so we quit seeing the same olds wasting slots that good players deserve.
This space for rent
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
February 27 2012 03:44 GMT
#268
On February 27 2012 12:41 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea.


Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed.

Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.




Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.

So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd.
Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight?
Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun.


Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa).

You have not answered my question.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
February 27 2012 03:47 GMT
#269
stephano is only dude i want to see in code s atm
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 27 2012 03:49 GMT
#270
Polt definitely. Other than that, it's a toss up. I would want Stephano but I don't think he'd go back to korea.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 27 2012 03:53 GMT
#271
On February 27 2012 12:44 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:41 red4ce wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea.


Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed.

Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.




Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.

So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd.
Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight?
Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun.


Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa).

You have not answered my question.


My point is that while it's easy to look back and say it was a waste of time for foreigners to get seeds because they just got stomped on, that does not mean losing badly is inevitable. I'm sure Huk fans and Jinro fans were elated back when they were making deep runs in code S. People watch foreigners in the hopes of seeing that kind of magical season again.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 27 2012 03:58 GMT
#272
On February 27 2012 12:44 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:41 red4ce wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea.


Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed.

Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.




Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.

So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd.
Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight?
Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun.


Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa).

You have not answered my question.

Your question is 100% irrelevant. "Enjoyment" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Neither does fun.

Foreigners bring in viewership numbers and membership buys, and you will get very, very few foreigners playing in the GSL if they have to invest months to get through the qualifiers, to Code A, to Code S, even assuming they can do all that without losing.

It has absolutely nothing to do with "colour of their skin", as you so ignorantly put it. It's about not naively believing that every player will want to uproot their lives to move to South Korea for extremely long periods of time.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
February 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#273
On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea.


Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed.

Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.




Indeed. Lots of respect to Jinro for purposely doing that and not even wanting a seed.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 27 2012 04:04 GMT
#274
Currently I'd say HuK and Polt.

Don't forget that we'll also get IEM Hannover before the seeds need te be done so if we have a foreigner there that has a really good showing this can still change.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
February 27 2012 04:06 GMT
#275
No foreigner can compete in Code S so please don't give it to a foreigner. Polt is the only person who deserves it because he is just so nice and smart and handsome. Overall the bracket at ASUS ROG wasn't nearly as tough as MLG but Polt was the only player to have a difficult bracket and win all the way to the finals. Plus he crushed in the finals.

Violet isn't a terrible choice either but I don't think he plans to go back to Korea anytime soon.
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BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
February 27 2012 04:10 GMT
#276
stephano is the only foreigner i would give a code S seed
Jar Jar Binks
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
February 27 2012 04:12 GMT
#277
From recent results, I'd say Kas and DeMuslim are the "most deserving" new faces. But most likely? Has to be HuK and Polt.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
February 27 2012 04:20 GMT
#278
Polt completely deserves it after his sick performance at Assembly and going through such a tough path.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
February 27 2012 04:23 GMT
#279
People will pay to see a foreigner in GSL. It's in their interest.

Hope it's Naniwa.
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
February 27 2012 04:26 GMT
#280
Can I pay more to not see wasted seeds?
Less money for casters, more money for players.
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