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On February 27 2012 11:33 Stoffelhase wrote:
maybe the consider a "redemption" for naniwa, giving him the code s seed for his 2011 results and his lately way better behaviour.
I don't know if there is a less offensive way to say this, but he doesn't need to be given another GSL seed, particularly not code S.
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Polt and violet should get the code S seeds
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On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea. Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed. Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.
Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.
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On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea. Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed. Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa. Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go.
So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd.
Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight?
Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun.
Charity seeds is bad enough, but when you actually limit it to the skin color of a person there is something severely wrong around here.
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On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea. Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed. Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa. Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go. So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd. Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight? Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun.
Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa).
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A good idea now might be to give mkp an auto code s seed and then give someone else his up and down like a polt or huk so they can earn there code s back or get a code a seed which I think is fair
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No one mentioned deserves a code S spot. That said, if they were given a code A spot, I would go with Violet and <insert foreigner to be roflstomped here>. As long as it isnt Naniwa, Huk, or Idra, I dont care.
Stop with the code S freebies Boss Chae. Institute a 3 strikes youre out policy so we quit seeing the same olds wasting slots that good players deserve.
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On February 27 2012 12:41 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea. Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed. Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa. Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go. So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd. Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight? Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun. Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa).
You have not answered my question.
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stephano is only dude i want to see in code s atm
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Polt definitely. Other than that, it's a toss up. I would want Stephano but I don't think he'd go back to korea.
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On February 27 2012 12:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:41 red4ce wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea. Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed. Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa. Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go. So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd. Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight? Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun. Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa). You have not answered my question.
My point is that while it's easy to look back and say it was a waste of time for foreigners to get seeds because they just got stomped on, that does not mean losing badly is inevitable. I'm sure Huk fans and Jinro fans were elated back when they were making deep runs in code S. People watch foreigners in the hopes of seeing that kind of magical season again.
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On February 27 2012 12:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:41 red4ce wrote:On February 27 2012 12:35 Assirra wrote:On February 27 2012 12:32 red4ce wrote:On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea. Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed. Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa. Let's call a spade a spade. The code S seeds are basically Starcraft affirmative action. Without them we'd never see foreigners in the GSL. People who otherwise don't watch the GSL will watch when foreigners are playing. Polt doesn't really have that kind of effect. You could maybe make the argument for Hero or Puma but that's about it as far as Koreans go. So what exactly is more enjoyable for these people? Watching a foreigner that is clearly over is league getting 2-0'd. Or watching a korean actually putting up a fight? Cause watching your "idols" getting absolutely destroyed doesn't seem fun. Foreigners can and have beaten code S Koreans before. Unfortunately in recent seasons foreigners have had the misfortune of drawing their worst matchup (Sen, Sase) or just straight up underperforming (Idra, Naniwa). You have not answered my question.
Your question is 100% irrelevant. "Enjoyment" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Neither does fun.
Foreigners bring in viewership numbers and membership buys, and you will get very, very few foreigners playing in the GSL if they have to invest months to get through the qualifiers, to Code A, to Code S, even assuming they can do all that without losing.
It has absolutely nothing to do with "colour of their skin", as you so ignorantly put it. It's about not naively believing that every player will want to uproot their lives to move to South Korea for extremely long periods of time.
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On February 27 2012 12:16 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 12:08 red4ce wrote:
I hope they give one to Ret. Highest placing foreigner at Sao Paolo and took down MVP at Winter Arena. Ret has said he'd be willing to go back to Korea to give it another try and a code S seed could be just the incentive to push him over the fence. Polt and other Koreans are no-no, they can qualify the normal way. The other seed can go to Naniwa or Huk. Don't bother with Stephano cuz he already said he's not interested in Korea. Koreans can qualify the normal way? SO CAN FOREIGNERS. It's a Korean tournament. It shouldn't be a Korean's fault if they kick ass at an international tournament and rack up impressive wins that because they are Korean they can't get a seed. Naniwa and Huk both live in Korea. Huk can qualify the normal way. So can Naniwa.
Indeed. Lots of respect to Jinro for purposely doing that and not even wanting a seed.
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Currently I'd say HuK and Polt.
Don't forget that we'll also get IEM Hannover before the seeds need te be done so if we have a foreigner there that has a really good showing this can still change.
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No foreigner can compete in Code S so please don't give it to a foreigner. Polt is the only person who deserves it because he is just so nice and smart and handsome. Overall the bracket at ASUS ROG wasn't nearly as tough as MLG but Polt was the only player to have a difficult bracket and win all the way to the finals. Plus he crushed in the finals.
Violet isn't a terrible choice either but I don't think he plans to go back to Korea anytime soon.
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stephano is the only foreigner i would give a code S seed
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From recent results, I'd say Kas and DeMuslim are the "most deserving" new faces. But most likely? Has to be HuK and Polt.
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Polt completely deserves it after his sick performance at Assembly and going through such a tough path.
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People will pay to see a foreigner in GSL. It's in their interest.
Hope it's Naniwa.
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Can I pay more to not see wasted seeds?
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