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Prophecy3
Canada223 Posts
The facts brought up are true. SC2/eSports is reaching a critical juncture in the industries life cycle, and people need to take notice. We all enjoy the MLG Events, I would have to say outside of GSL and HSC, it's my favourite Tournament to watch, and would go further in saying it's had some of the most epic games i've seen over SC2s short life so far. Whatever happens I know that MLG and by extension our community will continue to grow. | ||
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-mooski-
United States4 Posts
On February 15 2012 14:44 Thombur wrote: Right there is the big problem with this event. MLG themselves drag this kind of thinking out of the playerbase by appealing for them to "support e-sports". If this is successful because you accept this price then you accept that all future events will probably cost at least as much, probably more, since the industry will try and milk out as much money as they possibly can (of they will, they run businesses). You have to take into consideration the fact that such vast majority of the community will not be supporting MLG in this. All I can hope for is that this is testing the waters, and that MLG decides $20 is far too much and drops the price substantially, or gives you a much longer period of time for our money. Also as I said, I along with probably most others who buy a ticket will contact MLG and promise that we will not be purchasing anything from them in the future at such a steep price, which I intend on standing by. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:06 d1ngdong wrote: Here's some more info about the MLG Referral Program, including how much you get from each sale and which teams have declined to participate. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/mlg-referral-program-details-and-participation Seems to be down. Can someone sum up what was in there? | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 15 2012 16:05 Jarree wrote: Seems to be down. Can someone sum up what was in there? $1 per sub up to 999 subs $2 per sub after 1000 subs | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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JimmyHollow
United Kingdom249 Posts
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Joan_of_Arc
Australia66 Posts
To find out that it will be pay per veiw is rather disheartening. I'm a full time student, and this will force me to choose between subscribing to a month worth of the GSL, GSTL and special events, or subscribing to a weekend of MLG - and as brilliant and exciting as the MLG is, I'm not sure it can really compare. I do hope that this is just a test, and that the MLG returns to its previous format for the next event - or at least reduces the price per event to a more reasonable level. | ||
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 15 2012 19:17 kyllinghest wrote: MLG games are usually awesome, but so often do we not get to see the best games, so often are we looking into a big pile of air and listening to looped rock music when we could have been watching Mvp og MC. For me they just don't provide a 20 dollar product. They're casting every single match from the arena event. You'll see everything. The arena is going above and beyond previous MLG's in that perspective. Watching MLG from home you have no clue what's really happening in the brackets because you barely see the matches. What you're thinking of is the previous MLG's where this ones format and general administration is going to be completely different. EDIT: I'll also say I'm an MLG gold member but I would also have no issue paying the full $20. However a discount wouldn't be a bad thing. I'll support MLG with my money because I want to see them keep doing well and I don't want to see the scene die because people won't pay for the content they're demanding. | ||
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Treva
United States533 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:00 rotegirte wrote: Aren't you forgetting the 60% willing to pay for content? No I'm not, I just find it quite surprising that on an esports fan/community website for the biggest and most popular game in esports that 40% of people who took the survey said that they wouldn't even pay a dime. Doesn't really seem too encouraging if people are trying to make esports become more mainstream. | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
On February 16 2012 00:33 Treva wrote: No I'm not, I just find it quite surprising that on an esports fan/community website for the biggest and most popular game in esports that 40% of people who took the survey said that they wouldn't even pay a dime. Doesn't really seem too encouraging if people are trying to make esports become more mainstream. Not really no. 40% of people who watch fotball or ice hockey as a hobby would not spend a dime to watch either. That is they would not spend extra money for fotball only channels or pay to go to a match. No one thinks "everyone will and want to pay", but they think , how many of people watching are willing to pay. It is the same with F2P games like TF2, LoL, HoN. They know that the majority of players will never spend anything on the game. But there will be a lot of players that will, and those will be enough to gain a profit. I think this presentation will help explain a bit: http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win . | ||
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Treva
United States533 Posts
On February 16 2012 00:47 JackDragon wrote: Not really no. 40% of people who watch fotball or ice hockey as a hobby would not spend a dime to watch either. That is they would not spend extra money for fotball only channels or pay to go to a match. No one thinks "everyone will and want to pay", but they think , how many of people watching are willing to pay. It is the same with F2P games like TF2, LoL, HoN. They know that the majority of players will never spend anything on the game. But there will be a lot of players that will, and those will be enough to gain a profit. I think this presentation will help explain a bit: http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win . Interesting presentation and I thank you for posting it. I also understand the sports analogy but my point is that the 40% of people who wouldn't pay for say ice hockey tickets are probably not the same people who are on ice hockey websites and forums talking about the game. You would think that the percentage would skew a little more in favor of people, people who are obvious fans of the game more than your casual player, would be whiling to pay to watch. I'm not saying they should be paying prices like $20 for a weekend, it was just the fact people wouldn't even pay anything let alone $10. I wasn't expecting 100% of people to say they would pay something no but just more than 60% on a site like this for the most popular game right now. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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JackDragon
525 Posts
On February 16 2012 00:59 Treva wrote: Interesting presentation and I thank you for posting it. I also understand the sports analogy but my point is that the 40% of people who wouldn't pay for say ice hockey tickets are probably not the same people who are on ice hockey websites and forums talking about the game. You would think that the percentage would skew a little more in favor of people, people who are obvious fans of the game more than your casual player, would be whiling to pay to watch. I'm not saying they should be paying prices like $20 for a weekend, it was just the fact people wouldn't even pay anything let alone $10. I wasn't expecting 100% of people to say they would pay something no but just more than 60% on a site like this for the most popular game right now. Yeah I see your point. Still 60% is still a lot. But you can also keep in mind that there are other reasons then just "I don't want to pay" Some might be gold members and feel tricked that they don't get this event free even though they paid for all MLG events at the time. Some just prefer Assembly that is on at the same time, and since it is free, I don't think you can blame them. A third reason is that they don't like that MLG "waste" money on flying in a lot of pros, it's just not a good investment in some people eyes. A forth reason might be that they just don't want to support a PPV system. So they won't by it to show that MLG should not go down that road. Again there exists a lot of legitimate reasons. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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GatorGar
Somalia77 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cI9ZV.png) As I said before, is there any more doubt about whether or not Winter Arena was marketed as a Pro Circuit event? Gold Members got fucked. | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:17 GatorGar wrote: As I said before, is there any more doubt about whether or not Winter Arena was marketed as a Pro Circuit event? Gold Members got fucked. Its a pro circuit ARENA, not just pro circuit. Different branding, different product. Of course they will keep the same symbol, that is part of their branding, without the branding it would not be MLG. They have to keep the branding to maintain product image. However attatching 'ARENA' to it makes it a different product, just how adding 'TEAM' to 'Global Startcraft League' is a different product. | ||
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GatorGar
Somalia77 Posts
Bottom line: "I'll steal from you because I have to in order to buy my house on the ocean, if it fails then whatever, fuck all of you." User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
He said if nobody buys the ticket he's goingto open a taco store next to the ocean, not '50000 people will give me money so I can move to the ocean' | ||
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GatorGar
Somalia77 Posts
How much does a restaurant license cost? Look at his shit-eating grins and smirks. He thinks this is all a joke, that all of MLG is just a big game at his disposal. He's right that his employees are his property, but when he says "Nevermind all the graphics and wording, I fired that guy" he is BLATANTLY dodging responsibility for HIS OWN shortcoming as the CEO of MLG, aka the guy with the biggest paycheck. | ||
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