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Excellent post Alex. I think an option I will try to facilitate is doing a barcraft (or homegrown equivalent) and bring some friends. Despite the price point being too high ($20) With a couple of friends, beers, and good times with top notch casting and MLG style event it's still a good buy. I wouldn't pay the $20 for myself.. But in all honestly i've forked out over $50 for a UFC event that I really wanted to see, and IMO, SC2 is a much more entertaining sport to watch, even though I love MMA.
The facts brought up are true.
SC2/eSports is reaching a critical juncture in the industries life cycle, and people need to take notice. We all enjoy the MLG Events, I would have to say outside of GSL and HSC, it's my favourite Tournament to watch, and would go further in saying it's had some of the most epic games i've seen over SC2s short life so far.
Whatever happens I know that MLG and by extension our community will continue to grow.
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On February 15 2012 14:44 Thombur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 13:35 -mooski- wrote: Look I'm not thrilled about it, I would rather it be free as well and I do think that $20 is too high. I was simply trying to put $20 in perspective. I will be purchasing a ticket to enjoy the weekend and support e-sports, but I will also be contacting MLG and telling them I will not be purchasing any future tickets unless there is a large reduction in price. Right there is the big problem with this event. MLG themselves drag this kind of thinking out of the playerbase by appealing for them to "support e-sports". If this is successful because you accept this price then you accept that all future events will probably cost at least as much, probably more, since the industry will try and milk out as much money as they possibly can (of they will, they run businesses).
You have to take into consideration the fact that such vast majority of the community will not be supporting MLG in this. All I can hope for is that this is testing the waters, and that MLG decides $20 is far too much and drops the price substantially, or gives you a much longer period of time for our money. Also as I said, I along with probably most others who buy a ticket will contact MLG and promise that we will not be purchasing anything from them in the future at such a steep price, which I intend on standing by.
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Seems to be down. Can someone sum up what was in there?
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On February 15 2012 16:05 Jarree wrote:Seems to be down. Can someone sum up what was in there?
$1 per sub up to 999 subs $2 per sub after 1000 subs
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Ty. Numbers are what i imagined.
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I'd like to start this post by saying that I've been greatly looking forward to the next MLG for the last few months. The event has such great atmosphere that, even watching it online, it's almost impossible not to have fun.
To find out that it will be pay per veiw is rather disheartening. I'm a full time student, and this will force me to choose between subscribing to a month worth of the GSL, GSTL and special events, or subscribing to a weekend of MLG - and as brilliant and exciting as the MLG is, I'm not sure it can really compare.
I do hope that this is just a test, and that the MLG returns to its previous format for the next event - or at least reduces the price per event to a more reasonable level.
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MLG games are usually awesome, but so often do we not get to see the best games, so often are we looking into a big pile of air and listening to looped rock music when we could have been watching Mvp og MC. For me they just don't provide a 20 dollar product.
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On February 15 2012 19:17 kyllinghest wrote: MLG games are usually awesome, but so often do we not get to see the best games, so often are we looking into a big pile of air and listening to looped rock music when we could have been watching Mvp og MC. For me they just don't provide a 20 dollar product. They're casting every single match from the arena event. You'll see everything. The arena is going above and beyond previous MLG's in that perspective. Watching MLG from home you have no clue what's really happening in the brackets because you barely see the matches. What you're thinking of is the previous MLG's where this ones format and general administration is going to be completely different.
EDIT: I'll also say I'm an MLG gold member but I would also have no issue paying the full $20. However a discount wouldn't be a bad thing. I'll support MLG with my money because I want to see them keep doing well and I don't want to see the scene die because people won't pay for the content they're demanding.
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On February 14 2012 23:00 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:56 Treva wrote: Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable. Aren't you forgetting the 60% willing to pay for content?
No I'm not, I just find it quite surprising that on an esports fan/community website for the biggest and most popular game in esports that 40% of people who took the survey said that they wouldn't even pay a dime. Doesn't really seem too encouraging if people are trying to make esports become more mainstream.
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On February 16 2012 00:33 Treva wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 23:00 rotegirte wrote:On February 14 2012 22:56 Treva wrote: Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable. Aren't you forgetting the 60% willing to pay for content? No I'm not, I just find it quite surprising that on an esports fan/community website for the biggest and most popular game in esports that 40% of people who took the survey said that they wouldn't even pay a dime. Doesn't really seem too encouraging if people are trying to make esports become more mainstream.
Not really no. 40% of people who watch fotball or ice hockey as a hobby would not spend a dime to watch either. That is they would not spend extra money for fotball only channels or pay to go to a match. No one thinks "everyone will and want to pay", but they think , how many of people watching are willing to pay. It is the same with F2P games like TF2, LoL, HoN. They know that the majority of players will never spend anything on the game. But there will be a lot of players that will, and those will be enough to gain a profit. I think this presentation will help explain a bit: http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win .
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On February 16 2012 00:47 JackDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 00:33 Treva wrote:On February 14 2012 23:00 rotegirte wrote:On February 14 2012 22:56 Treva wrote: Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable. Aren't you forgetting the 60% willing to pay for content? No I'm not, I just find it quite surprising that on an esports fan/community website for the biggest and most popular game in esports that 40% of people who took the survey said that they wouldn't even pay a dime. Doesn't really seem too encouraging if people are trying to make esports become more mainstream. Not really no. 40% of people who watch fotball or ice hockey as a hobby would not spend a dime to watch either. That is they would not spend extra money for fotball only channels or pay to go to a match. No one thinks "everyone will and want to pay", but they think , how many of people watching are willing to pay. It is the same with F2P games like TF2, LoL, HoN. They know that the majority of players will never spend anything on the game. But there will be a lot of players that will, and those will be enough to gain a profit. I think this presentation will help explain a bit: http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win .
Interesting presentation and I thank you for posting it. I also understand the sports analogy but my point is that the 40% of people who wouldn't pay for say ice hockey tickets are probably not the same people who are on ice hockey websites and forums talking about the game. You would think that the percentage would skew a little more in favor of people, people who are obvious fans of the game more than your casual player, would be whiling to pay to watch. I'm not saying they should be paying prices like $20 for a weekend, it was just the fact people wouldn't even pay anything let alone $10. I wasn't expecting 100% of people to say they would pay something no but just more than 60% on a site like this for the most popular game right now.
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It was nice to read Alex's opinion, I agree with his freemium preference. As far as I'm concerned, I love MLG, I did a lot to make French community interests itself in MLG as I really think it's worth some very short nights! Regarding this new ppv system, I'll be at assembly next week so I don't have to consider, but I do think that 1) $20 is indeed too expensive for a one week-end event. 2) what I loved with MLG was that it was awesome to capture "ordinary people's" attention and eventually get them into starcraft. The absence of free stream in 360p will just make it a competition for SC II lovers but will somehow prevent MLG to make esport grow.
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On February 16 2012 00:59 Treva wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 00:47 JackDragon wrote:On February 16 2012 00:33 Treva wrote:On February 14 2012 23:00 rotegirte wrote:On February 14 2012 22:56 Treva wrote: Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable. Aren't you forgetting the 60% willing to pay for content? No I'm not, I just find it quite surprising that on an esports fan/community website for the biggest and most popular game in esports that 40% of people who took the survey said that they wouldn't even pay a dime. Doesn't really seem too encouraging if people are trying to make esports become more mainstream. Not really no. 40% of people who watch fotball or ice hockey as a hobby would not spend a dime to watch either. That is they would not spend extra money for fotball only channels or pay to go to a match. No one thinks "everyone will and want to pay", but they think , how many of people watching are willing to pay. It is the same with F2P games like TF2, LoL, HoN. They know that the majority of players will never spend anything on the game. But there will be a lot of players that will, and those will be enough to gain a profit. I think this presentation will help explain a bit: http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win . Interesting presentation and I thank you for posting it. I also understand the sports analogy but my point is that the 40% of people who wouldn't pay for say ice hockey tickets are probably not the same people who are on ice hockey websites and forums talking about the game. You would think that the percentage would skew a little more in favor of people, people who are obvious fans of the game more than your casual player, would be whiling to pay to watch. I'm not saying they should be paying prices like $20 for a weekend, it was just the fact people wouldn't even pay anything let alone $10. I wasn't expecting 100% of people to say they would pay something no but just more than 60% on a site like this for the most popular game right now.
Yeah I see your point. Still 60% is still a lot. But you can also keep in mind that there are other reasons then just "I don't want to pay" Some might be gold members and feel tricked that they don't get this event free even though they paid for all MLG events at the time. Some just prefer Assembly that is on at the same time, and since it is free, I don't think you can blame them. A third reason is that they don't like that MLG "waste" money on flying in a lot of pros, it's just not a good investment in some people eyes. A forth reason might be that they just don't want to support a PPV system. So they won't by it to show that MLG should not go down that road. Again there exists a lot of legitimate reasons.
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Was going to boycot this, but I think I will give them 1 chance. Here's my money Sundance, please fix your system.
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As I said before, is there any more doubt about whether or not Winter Arena was marketed as a Pro Circuit event?
Gold Members got fucked.
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On February 16 2012 11:17 GatorGar wrote:As I said before, is there any more doubt about whether or not Winter Arena was marketed as a Pro Circuit event? Gold Members got fucked.
Its a pro circuit ARENA, not just pro circuit. Different branding, different product. Of course they will keep the same symbol, that is part of their branding, without the branding it would not be MLG. They have to keep the branding to maintain product image. However attatching 'ARENA' to it makes it a different product, just how adding 'TEAM' to 'Global Startcraft League' is a different product.
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Ask a bunch of Gold Members how they feel about the advertising. Wait nevermind, they've already spoken. That's why this douchebag is on Live On 3 trying to defend himself and his thieving business model.
Bottom line: "I'll steal from you because I have to in order to buy my house on the ocean, if it fails then whatever, fuck all of you."
User was temp banned for this post.
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Are you watching the same show as I am? Why do you think this money is going back into his pocket? Which part of this do you think goes into his house.
He said if nobody buys the ticket he's goingto open a taco store next to the ocean, not '50000 people will give me money so I can move to the ocean'
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How much does oceanfront land cost? Tell me you have 5 minutes.
How much does a restaurant license cost?
Look at his shit-eating grins and smirks. He thinks this is all a joke, that all of MLG is just a big game at his disposal. He's right that his employees are his property, but when he says "Nevermind all the graphics and wording, I fired that guy" he is BLATANTLY dodging responsibility for HIS OWN shortcoming as the CEO of MLG, aka the guy with the biggest paycheck.
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