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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5221 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:20 OptimusYale wrote: Its a pro circuit ARENA, not just pro circuit. Different branding, different product. Of course they will keep the same symbol, that is part of their branding, without the branding it would not be MLG. They have to keep the branding to maintain product image. However attatching 'ARENA' to it makes it a different product, just how adding 'TEAM' to 'Global Startcraft League' is a different product. Hahaha... So if MLG decided to drop the whole Pro Circuit idea and stiffed all the Gold Members, then released the "Masters Tour" and asked everyone to pay for it, you'd think it would be okay? What if the NFL did that with their season tickets, called the NFL Season the Football Term, and stiffing all Season Ticket members and asked them instead to buy Yearlong Term Tickets? It is illegal in both instances. MLG said they would give one year of "Access to the Pro Circuit" to MLG Gold Members, so they need to provide the product I paid, nothing more, nothing less, or refund me. I won't go into too much, but let us just say that I've notified the authorities on behalf of all MLG Gold members. | ||
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5221 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:41 Luepert wrote: People who are mad at MLG, you may have been wronged, but we do not want to kill MLG. If MLG dies we all lose. Wrong. If there is a demand for the product MLG provides, another company will fill the void, that is how business work. But if MLG has to resort to fraudulent tactics (bait and switch) to stay in business, then maybe there isn't enough demand to begin with. | ||
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GatorGar
Somalia77 Posts
IPL NASL GSL Playhem Korean Weekly ZOTAC TSL SPL KOTH ESV Just to name a few. All of them make money. Nothing wrong with Pay Per View, but don't try and charge your members twice for the same content. Stop acting like you owe MLG a donation for what they're doing. I promise you that Sundance is making a SHIT TON of money off of this. If you couldn't read his body language then you are clueless, go be a consumer. A sheep. *Bahhh Bahhh* and just spend your money senselessly with no self respect. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:47 GatorGar wrote: Whoever says that without MLG SC2 will die, how FUCKING RETARDED are you? Are you serious right now? IPL NASL GSL Playhem Korean Weekly ZOTAC TSL SPL KOTH ESV Just to name a few. All of them make money. Nothing wrong with Pay Per View, but don't try and charge your members twice for the same content. IPL is funded by IGN NASL loses money GSL is heavily sponsored and korea based Playhem isn't a company nor do they turn a profit Korean weekly again not a company nor do they turn a profit ZOTAC same again TSL again SPL can't comment not familar with them KOTH not a company nor they do make money ESV again not a company nor do they make money Please at least use decent examples. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:38 BronzeKnee wrote: Hahaha... So if MLG decided to drop the whole Pro Circuit idea and stiffed all the Gold Members, then released the "Masters Tour" and asked everyone to pay for it, you'd think it would be okay? What if the NFL did that with their season tickets, called the NFL Season the Football Term, and stiffing all Season Ticket members and asked them instead to buy Yearlong Term Tickets? It is illegal in both instances. MLG said they would give one year of "Access to the Pro Circuit" to MLG Gold Members, so they need to provide the product I paid, nothing more, nothing less, or refund me. I won't go into too much, but let us just say that I've notified the authorities on behalf of all MLG Gold members. Different things dude. For one thing you don't pay for most NFL games. For another it is ONE season. So lets say you did pay for it. If the NFL started up a second league with something different about it and it was something they felt they could market on its own you WOULD have to pay for both separately. And if MLG took away something that they actually promised for it would be a completely different thing. Learn before you post crazy things. | ||
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GatorGar
Somalia77 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:49 TheButtonmen wrote: IPL is funded by IGN NASL loses money GSL is heavily sponsored and korea based Playhem isn't a company nor do they turn a profit Korean weekly again not a company nor do they turn a profit ZOTAC same again TSL again SPL can't comment not familar with them KOTH not a company nor they do make money ESV again not a company nor do they make money Please at least use decent examples. How many of them are funded by swindling already subscription paying members? Have you seen their advertisements? Winter Arena was CLEARLY advertised as a part of MLG Pro Circuit. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:42 BronzeKnee wrote: Wrong. If there is a demand for the product MLG provides, another company will fill the void, that is how business work. But if MLG has to resort to fraudulent tactics (bait and switch) to stay in business, then maybe there isn't enough demand to begin with. It wasn't fraudulent activity dude. It was a mistake press release. If MLG died I bet you almost anything that no one would fill that void. That is how business works though. You are right about that. However, if people are unwilling to pay for a product then there is no sustainable business model in NA and no one would bother doing it. The only way someone could succeed where MLG failed is if it was a big company with lots of experience in that area who came in and they wont. They'd only come into a successful market. | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:56 teacash wrote: nothing worse than post-teenagers with no understanding of business acting all self-entitled on the internet But they are teenagers dude! Clearly they have the experience or education necessary to understand everything in the business world! | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:54 GatorGar wrote: How many of them are funded by swindling already subscription paying members? Have you seen their advertisements? Winter Arena was CLEARLY advertised as a part of MLG Pro Circuit. That has literally nothing to do with what you orginally said? You being angry at MLG doesn't let you make up facts to back up your argument. There is plenty to say without making stuff up. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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StrykerSC2
United States11 Posts
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:43 StrykerSC2 wrote: Is anyone else blown away by Sundance's new Twitter picture? It seems like he's basically just laughing about the fact that MLG shafted gold members. It made me chuckle. Find the humor in things rather then just looking to be offended, less stress that way. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:38 BronzeKnee wrote: Hahaha... So if MLG decided to drop the whole Pro Circuit idea and stiffed all the Gold Members, then released the "Masters Tour" and asked everyone to pay for it, you'd think it would be okay? What if the NFL did that with their season tickets, called the NFL Season the Football Term, and stiffing all Season Ticket members and asked them instead to buy Yearlong Term Tickets? It is illegal in both instances. MLG said they would give one year of "Access to the Pro Circuit" to MLG Gold Members, so they need to provide the product I paid, nothing more, nothing less, or refund me. I won't go into too much, but let us just say that I've notified the authorities on behalf of all MLG Gold members. SD agreed that there was an issue with the way the events were branded and he even said he got rid of the guy. The point is there was a lot of confusion between MLG and the consumer. This isn't good for business and SD admitted it. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
I'd be a lot more willing to buy a yearly package to watch rather than a weekend pass, because then I feel like its alright to miss some games. This way I would feel pressured to watch everything to get my moneys worth. Also, its hard to put money into this when I can watch other events for free. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On February 16 2012 11:42 BronzeKnee wrote: Wrong. If there is a demand for the product MLG provides, another company will fill the void, that is how business work. But if MLG has to resort to fraudulent tactics (bait and switch) to stay in business, then maybe there isn't enough demand to begin with. Very bold to start an argument with "Wrong" already it tells me that you are a very one minded person who sees everything in their own way. But i'll bait E-Sports in America is very small compared to Europe and KR (Course), besides MLG how many big name tournaments do you know of that run competitions like MLG? None NASL is the only one i can think of, off the top of my head but it is only Starcraft so its only mean for a specific fan base. MLG has everything E-Sports related, if MLG dies what makes you so sure that somebody else is willing to risk their company and their future on an apparently failed business? Would you? If you didn't know anything about E-Sports why would you take such a risk. Basically if MLG dies we all do lose, i'm not saying i agree with what MLG is doing but theres no reason to just quit on them out right. | ||
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dekarp
286 Posts
Bigger prize pools = bigger viewer numbers... and bigger viewer numbers benefits EVERYONE. Benefits teams AND MLGs... and obviously a bigger prize pool is better for players. Kind of busy atm otherwise I'd elaborate, but fairly simple: bigger prize pool, more viewers. More viewers, more attention brought to tournament. More attention = sponsers/companies taking interest. Sponsorships. etc etc etc.... | ||
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Treva
United States535 Posts
On February 16 2012 03:56 JackDragon wrote: Yeah I see your point. Still 60% is still a lot. But you can also keep in mind that there are other reasons then just "I don't want to pay" Some might be gold members and feel tricked that they don't get this event free even though they paid for all MLG events at the time. Some just prefer Assembly that is on at the same time, and since it is free, I don't think you can blame them. A third reason is that they don't like that MLG "waste" money on flying in a lot of pros, it's just not a good investment in some people eyes. A forth reason might be that they just don't want to support a PPV system. So they won't by it to show that MLG should not go down that road. Again there exists a lot of legitimate reasons. Yeah you're right there are plenty of valid reason, I guess my expectations were just a little unrealistically high. I appreciate your responses, take care. | ||
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