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On February 16 2012 14:04 dekarp wrote:
Honestly, I wish they would just take the money from flying everyone out and put it toward the prize pool.
Bigger prize pools = bigger viewer numbers... and bigger viewer numbers benefits EVERYONE. Benefits teams AND MLGs... and obviously a bigger prize pool is better for players.
Kind of busy atm otherwise I'd elaborate, but fairly simple: bigger prize pool, more viewers. More viewers, more attention brought to tournament. More attention = sponsers/companies taking interest. Sponsorships. etc etc etc....
hope you would be ok with no koreans then
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RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players.
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On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players.
So they should only make money in the ways you choose? Alright then. I'll be sure to let Sundance know his company is dead because you are upset over this.
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On February 16 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players. So they should only make money in the ways you choose? Alright then. I'll be sure to let Sundance know his company is dead because you are upset over this.
no, they're welcome to attempt to make money any way they want. Sundance can sell fucking cocaine for all I Care. My point was, they already make a TON of money streaming their games at the current price point. They dont need to charge admission for a virtual event, especially when I can watch the same players for free in multiple other leagues/streams ESL IPL NASL Playhem ETC ETC ETC.
Besides they sold all those gold memberships for "Pro League" and now seem to be defrauding all of those customers.
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On February 16 2012 15:31 verne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players. So they should only make money in the ways you choose? Alright then. I'll be sure to let Sundance know his company is dead because you are upset over this. no, they're welcome to attempt to make money any way they want. Sundance can sell fucking cocaine for all I Care. My point was, they already make a TON of money streaming their games at the current price point. They dont need to charge admission for a virtual event, especially when I can watch the same players for free in multiple other leagues/streams ESL IPL NASL Playhem ETC ETC ETC. Besides they sold all those gold memberships for "Pro League" and now seem to be defrauding all of those customers.
A TON of money huh? Sundance says otherwise, and I'm more inclined to believe MLG's CEO over an armchair CEO.
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On February 16 2012 15:31 verne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players. So they should only make money in the ways you choose? Alright then. I'll be sure to let Sundance know his company is dead because you are upset over this. no, they're welcome to attempt to make money any way they want. Sundance can sell fucking cocaine for all I Care. My point was, they already make a TON of money streaming their games at the current price point. They dont need to charge admission for a virtual event, especially when I can watch the same players for free in multiple other leagues/streams ESL IPL NASL Playhem ETC ETC ETC. Besides they sold all those gold memberships for "Pro League" and now seem to be defrauding all of those customers.
So many people have already said that ads/sponsors isn't enough, and you assume they make a TON of money and only want subscriptions out of pure greed?
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On February 16 2012 15:34 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 15:31 verne wrote:On February 16 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players. So they should only make money in the ways you choose? Alright then. I'll be sure to let Sundance know his company is dead because you are upset over this. no, they're welcome to attempt to make money any way they want. Sundance can sell fucking cocaine for all I Care. My point was, they already make a TON of money streaming their games at the current price point. They dont need to charge admission for a virtual event, especially when I can watch the same players for free in multiple other leagues/streams ESL IPL NASL Playhem ETC ETC ETC. Besides they sold all those gold memberships for "Pro League" and now seem to be defrauding all of those customers. A TON of money huh? Sundance says otherwise, and I'm more inclined to believe MLG's CEO over an armchair CEO.
believe him when he says he wants more money?? of course he does.. everyone does. who doesnt want more money??
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Im not going to pay a damn thing to MLG. I'm going to go to my local barcraft and buy a ton of beer and sandwichs.
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Well its likely I will just miss out on this. $20 for one event is a bit much. Make it $5 or $10 and I'd think about it 
Edit - Am I also picking up from this that they want their 'Gold' members to also pay the $20? If so then I would be royally pissed off if I was one of them. Watching all the adverts saying 'I've got GOLD' etc and boasting about how great it was, then to find out it offers no discount to the PPV event prices? Ouch!
***Majorly edited since I've only just noticed, its only the 'Arena' event that is PPV, and the other MLG's are as normal.. I think? Lol. Damn its too early in the morning for my brain to work... Left in the Gold comment, I'd still be pissed off if I was one of those guys.
Final edit - I also wonder how much they will actually make from this. I mean, pricing should be aimed at bringing in more people to watch, therefore increasing revenue. If 1000 people pay the $20 and they make $20,000 from the tickets/ 5,000 pay $10 or if 10,000 people pay $5 and they make $50,000? (Note figures are random examples). Has there been proper extensive polls done to judge just how many people will buy at $20 and actually IF they will make more money at this price point?
Also does the $20 price point = no adverts? If so then they will make hardly anything from advertising at all at this tournament?
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I think its great MLG is making it PPV. People need to remember it is a business, and they need to make money. Also, that this is only one event of the year, and not even one of their 4 major events for the year they'll be hosting, so its really not that big of a deal that its not free. Lastly, Don't forget they are flying out 32 players + cast/crew/casters for this, which is a shit tonne of money, and I think its unreasonable they shouldnt be allowed to charge for it. Yes it might be a bit harsh that its pay for it or nothing but I think people need to relax a lil bit, and supprot e-sports!
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On February 16 2012 15:36 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 15:31 verne wrote:On February 16 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players. So they should only make money in the ways you choose? Alright then. I'll be sure to let Sundance know his company is dead because you are upset over this. no, they're welcome to attempt to make money any way they want. Sundance can sell fucking cocaine for all I Care. My point was, they already make a TON of money streaming their games at the current price point. They dont need to charge admission for a virtual event, especially when I can watch the same players for free in multiple other leagues/streams ESL IPL NASL Playhem ETC ETC ETC. Besides they sold all those gold memberships for "Pro League" and now seem to be defrauding all of those customers. So many people have already said that ads/sponsors isn't enough, and you assume they make a TON of money and only want subscriptions out of pure greed?
it's not my fault they ran with a shitty business model that wasnt viable.
What they're doing amounts to selling a red car to johnQcustomer, then repainting that car blue. When JohnQ shows up to get the car he already paid for, they try and sell him the blue car, swearing the whole time it's not the same car he already purchased.
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On February 16 2012 15:46 verne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 15:36 fraktoasters wrote:On February 16 2012 15:31 verne wrote:On February 16 2012 14:39 mrtomjones wrote:On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising. like you said the sc2 community has been more than generous with their time and money. I know Ive purchased several items because of exposure by pro players. (sensei mouse, filco keyboard, sennheiser headset, Fiio amp/DAC) But there is no way in hell I'd pay to watch games on the internet, AT ANY PRICE. Thankfully most of my favorite pros already stream or play in other public tournaments (homestory cup/ playhem etc etc) If there was a MLG live event close I'd go and happily pay for an event pass for the weekend. It's not like you don't already break streaming numbers and roll TONS of commercials.
The Esports scene is too young and growing too fast to throw this monkey wrench into the system, you're going to make it harder to access for the casual fan and those who've not yet caught onto the scene.
TLDR, already spent my money on periphrials made by corporate sponsors, not paying for streaming at any price you already roll 10K+ viewers and run tons of commercials. get lost MLG there are plenty of other free cups/tournaments featuring the same or better players. So they should only make money in the ways you choose? Alright then. I'll be sure to let Sundance know his company is dead because you are upset over this. no, they're welcome to attempt to make money any way they want. Sundance can sell fucking cocaine for all I Care. My point was, they already make a TON of money streaming their games at the current price point. They dont need to charge admission for a virtual event, especially when I can watch the same players for free in multiple other leagues/streams ESL IPL NASL Playhem ETC ETC ETC. Besides they sold all those gold memberships for "Pro League" and now seem to be defrauding all of those customers. So many people have already said that ads/sponsors isn't enough, and you assume they make a TON of money and only want subscriptions out of pure greed? it's not my fault they ran with a shitty business model that wasnt viable. What they're doing amounts to selling a red car to johnQcustomer, then repainting that car blue. When JohnQ shows up to get the car he already paid for, they try and sell him the blue car, swearing the whole time it's not the same car he already purchased.
Welll IPL and NASL aren't really making money either, so don't be a dumbass pretending that you know all this shit. The scene is struggling, Yes it's gotten more popular, but if you think they are getting rich off of this you couldn't be more wrong.
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Yea reasonable piece, I cant say I disagree with anything. Even take the poll numbers as a rough sample youve already turned over twice as much money at the lower price.
Also business models by their very nature in such a young industry have to be flexible and dynamic which for the most part MLG is. Like the guy says theres no need to feel cheated or hard done by or whatever at this point in time. Provide the feedback, theres some smart people working there who need it in order for them to adjust how they run the business.
It should be abundantly clear that they are still unsure of how to value their product. Help them do it so its sustainable and hopefully maybe even profitable.
I dont like this encouraging esports into baiting people (at this point) theres been a year to work on it and effectively asking for donations isnt gonna cut it for long. But Im sure they already know that but just incase appealing to the community in those grounds isnt going to work for overpricing regardless of how good the events are.
Good luck though option B for me. I cant watch the whole thing this weekend but id pay 10 to catch glimpses.
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On February 14 2012 15:10 Bowzer wrote:
I spent 20 dollars on supper tonight
Say what!? I spend 3-4 Euro's on supper on average(less if more people are involved), that's about 5$.
EDIT: That's for me only, if it were about 4 people eating, it would be around 12 Euro's=15$.
Besides that: I think 20$ is waay too much for a weekend event. Hell, I can buy entire games for that price.
I'd be considering to pay if it was 5$, but if all the tournaments start to be PPV only, and everyone started to ask 10$ for a weekend, you'd be coming out with about 200$ a year. That's way too much.
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On February 16 2012 14:04 dekarp wrote:
Honestly, I wish they would just take the money from flying everyone out and put it toward the prize pool.
Bigger prize pools = bigger viewer numbers... and bigger viewer numbers benefits EVERYONE. Benefits teams AND MLGs... and obviously a bigger prize pool is better for players.
Actually bigger prize pool != bigger viewer numbers, last year compare the viewership for an MLG ($5K first place) and an NASL finals ($50K first place). Also this Arena system where MLG foots the bill to fly the players out and pays for their accomidations is much much better for the teams and players then simply increasing the prize pool.
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I am not going to go RIP MLG or anything so dramatic, i have huge respect for the MLG staff Ie Sundance/slasher and the whole crew, but i truely believe PPV is wrong for the Industry, this isnt pro wrestling, this isnt tv or normal media, teams have sponsers too, commitments and so on. This is the Internet, You are connected to nearly every house on the planet, in the long run the Freemeuim packages would probably secure MLG along with there live events and Merch,
I honestly dont want to want the PPV to fail for MLGs sake, but for me its deffently not the way forward. Alexs post is informitive and why i am a HUGE E.G fan (seriously i have the hoodie! xxl! :D ) thats just my thoughts on the subject
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On February 16 2012 19:47 FallenEncore wrote:
I am not going to go RIP MLG or anything so dramatic, i have huge respect for the MLG staff Ie Sundance/slasher and the whole crew, but i truely believe PPV is wrong for the Industry, this isnt pro wrestling, this isnt tv or normal media, teams have sponsers too, commitments and so on. This is the Internet, You are connected to nearly every house on the planet, in the long run the Freemeuim packages would probably secure MLG along with there live events and Merch,
I honestly dont want to want the PPV to fail for MLGs sake, but for me its deffently not the way forward. Alexs post is informitive and why i am a HUGE E.G fan (seriously i have the hoodie! xxl! :D ) thats just my thoughts on the subject
rob/slasher was one of 25+ people who were fired/laid off 10 days prior to christmas. So slasher has no affiliation with MLG and "the whole crew" as you put it.
just FYI
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The poll options are pretty biased, as has been noted already.
I'm just going to add that I'm a poor graduate student living off a $1K a month stipend, with a pregnant wife who is going to cutting her violin instructor hours from 30 hrs a week to 15-20 a week once the child arrives....and I find $20 perfectly reasonable for MLG content. I even have a gold membership, and at first was upset that there was no discount, but that being said, I still would have shelled out the $20 to watch.
I might be the exception to the rule, but I don't find $20 that bad at all.
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On February 16 2012 14:26 verne wrote:
RIP MLG!! IMO screw them, you make your money on advertising and merchandising.
That's what most haters don't get: no one does that, it may very well be impossible. Everyone is investing at a loss to be the last one standing, and then charge the viewers to be profitable. MLG is already doing it because they can't put up with losses anymore.
This is not like eventually MLG management woke up, put on top hats and decided they need to fund a new private jet. If it's unacceptable to pay at all then no league shall survive - and history suggests so.
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