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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
February 14 2012 22:13 GMT
#581
Poll options are really bad... didn't really think them through before posting them....

I wouldn't pay $10 for it, but I might pay $5.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
February 14 2012 22:13 GMT
#582
Impressive amount of people who wouldn't buy it even for less than $10
talontromper
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States258 Posts
February 14 2012 22:15 GMT
#583
I as a gold member would be fine with paying another fee AFTER this winter arena. This affects the people that just have recently purchased gold tickets (i.e within the last couple of MLG events (as I have and I'm sure that other's have as well.))

As a result of paying for the gold ticket for 30$ if nothing else that money should go toward the PPV. This is only if the members so choose, if they (and myself) don't like the idea possibly Sundance could return a portion of the money.

Either way I shall most likely be buying a ticket because i want to see the players that I cheer for play.

P.S. Thanks for all you do Sundance, I wanna see E-sports continue as a business and a lifestyle.
"It was a glorious day for fools when modesty became a virtue. There is a difference between cockiness and confidence. Confidence allows for greatness in others."
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
February 14 2012 22:27 GMT
#584
On February 15 2012 06:42 Brootalbro wrote:
I guess EG isn't so Evil after all

Yeah. its funny.
Its time for Evil Liquid. There was no info about Tl and the Mlg referal system... kind of make me wonder what is tl official stance on it. The unofficial is Tyler posting that Gsl is a joke and everyone should watch mlg arena in the other thread
ParkwayDrive
Profile Joined July 2011
United States328 Posts
February 14 2012 23:15 GMT
#585
this poll shows not that the sc2 community is cheap (it may be, it doesnt show that its not cheap i will say) all it shows is that mlg delivers one of the poorest products on the market and having an economics degree i for one would love to see this community get together and make one of two things happen by not giving into this greed


either sundance mans up and actually makes a quality product or he goes out of business forever
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
February 14 2012 23:15 GMT
#586

EG’s been getting a lot of questions about the situation, and I’d like to clarify our stance on some of the issues.

Why isn’t EG part of the MLG referral program for the Winter Arena?


Who are all these people asking questions and how do they know what you are doing with the referral program? We haven't had the time to see anybody do anything as part of the program. Do you have a list of who is part of it and who is not?

Before going into why we declined, I’d actually like to applaud Sundance, Lee, and everyone at MLG for a moment, because they took action and proactively composed a revenue-sharing program of sorts, which is the kind of thing that we desperately need to exist between teams and tournaments in this industry.


But if the tournaments are struggling so much wouldn't the industry desperately need the revenue share to go from the teams to the tournaments not the other way around? It is in your own best interest to not let them fail even if you have to sacrifice some of your own revenue because if they do you will lose at lot more right? Are the big teams successful enough that they could afford this or are they all unsustainable as well? (LordJerith saying you make 2 million a year implies that they are successful enough but who knows)
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
February 14 2012 23:19 GMT
#587
On February 15 2012 08:15 ParkwayDrive wrote:
this poll shows not that the sc2 community is cheap (it may be, it doesnt show that its not cheap i will say) all it shows is that mlg delivers one of the poorest products on the market and having an economics degree i for one would love to see this community get together and make one of two things happen by not giving into this greed


either sundance mans up and actually makes a quality product or he goes out of business forever


I have 20$, hell I just odered a 25$ lunch for when I get my break at work, the fact is I just don't think starcraft 2 and MLG are worth it and I don't want to support them on this. I don't think this is helping esports grow at all and I don't want to support the business model of ludacris PPV prices that will slowly go up if people just blindly accept it.

I think most people fall under the boat of just not wanting to support this time of pay model for whatever reason.
Trealador
Profile Joined August 2011
United States207 Posts
February 14 2012 23:29 GMT
#588
On February 15 2012 08:19 esotericc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 08:15 ParkwayDrive wrote:
this poll shows not that the sc2 community is cheap (it may be, it doesnt show that its not cheap i will say) all it shows is that mlg delivers one of the poorest products on the market and having an economics degree i for one would love to see this community get together and make one of two things happen by not giving into this greed


either sundance mans up and actually makes a quality product or he goes out of business forever


I have 20$, hell I just odered a 25$ lunch for when I get my break at work, the fact is I just don't think starcraft 2 and MLG are worth it and I don't want to support them on this. I don't think this is helping esports grow at all and I don't want to support the business model of ludacris PPV prices that will slowly go up if people just blindly accept it.

I think most people fall under the boat of just not wanting to support this time of pay model for whatever reason.


I said it from day 1. As soon as MLG gets a board of directors, Sundance will be out the door so fast. This is just further evidence that proves my position. I 100% agree with 20$ being within my means, but way too expensive for is it still one tournament? Give out some sick packages for the year. 30-45$ for the entire year of MLG in high quality. Considering you could still get 2-3 months of entertainment from an MMO for around 40$ (which people play daily) I honestly don't see this as a crazy price range. If you say you need to charge 20$ per event to cover the costs and barely make a profit, then perhaps its time to take a step back and re-examine the fact that esports isn't ready for what you are offering. I watch Starcraft to improve and find it entertaining at the same time, I can get this from streams or watching Day9 or other such commentators (all free).

How do you justify this? Maybe this another play out of Blizzards playbook? Charge and obsene price (Lets nerf ghosts snipe to 25) so that when we suggest 10$ (ok, snipe is 50 -20 to massive) we all accept it as a fair enough compromise. This is quite simply bad business.
Like a man.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
February 14 2012 23:41 GMT
#589
What a well spoken and thoughtful blog. It's too bad that so many of SC2 player base are kids and students who don't have much money to spend. In more years, as the internet savvy generation become the blunt of the work force, gaming and esports will naturally become part of the social norm and not the social exceptions. Until then, hang in there, it'll get better.
Impulzer
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2 Posts
February 14 2012 23:45 GMT
#590
This thread is great.

I don't really care about paying 10$ for an event, but the thing that gets me mad is that they changed gold member ship on me.

When I bought gold, during MLG Championship, I thought I would get the full six event next year. At the time there wasn't news about the new format. Now with the announcement I only get 4 events and have to pay an extra 15$ for each other event. They don't even let the gold members view the first arena for free, and then the next event charge them 10$ for the pass.

I think MLG could really improve business and make everyone happy if they lowered the price to 10$ and fixed their membership system were we didn't have to buy a pass each event instead it would be added into a monthly or yearly price.

This is better than what they're doing now.
FoeHamr
Profile Joined December 2010
United States489 Posts
February 15 2012 00:14 GMT
#591
I just think that $20 is way too much for 3 days worth of stuff. Even though there is a lot of games played, $20 is a month of WoW and a drink, half of my year of xbox live, a season of NASL, ect. At 10 bucks I would have thought about it but for 20 - hell no.
I got 99 problems and a Terran ain't one
BrahCJ
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia659 Posts
February 15 2012 00:41 GMT
#592
At current numbers,
If MLG were to drop their price to $10, they would be at least $6000+ richer for it, not to mention the more revenue they would bring in from sponsors. I hope the polls get more and more votes to make it more clear.

$20 for 3 days hold very little value. More so considering that most games happen between 10pm and 10am. In the past I have gone to bed early, set the alarm for 4am, and watched half of each day. For me to do that, AND pay $20?

Nope nope nope.

MLG have always prided themselves on VIEWER EXPERIENCE, and for good reason. Their events are amazing.
What would I want to see in order to get $20 from me?

1) Viewer sync. Allow unique web addresses so I can share a code with a friend, and whatever time-line I'm watching on the PVR stream, my friend gets auto sync'd up. This should work in conjunction with......

2) A "Skip to next game/match" button. A "Spoiler free skip" would mean I would be able to watch the 10pm - 10am games IN FULL from 4am - 10pm.

3) An app for the playstation store, or a Samsung Apps app, that'll work straight on my TV.

If I am paying top-dollar I think it is only fair to expect the bar to be raised. If Assembly can offer me great players and HD for free, I want something for that $20 that other people just can't give.
Play the games!
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
February 15 2012 01:17 GMT
#593
I really like the freemium model as well. SC2 has traditionally been Free to watch. Every tournament in the world has a Free stream. Because SC2 was built ground up via the Freemium model, suddenly turning it into a PPV model is going to severely cut into the viewership numbers. That's my biggest concern..

$20 bucks is also too high. NASL offers months of content for the same price. GSL's AoL which lasts approximately as long as MLG Arena costs a quarter of that amount (4.99). Granted, it has fewer players and games, though. I think $10, like Alex suggests, is a great price point. 20 is too high.
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snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 15 2012 01:24 GMT
#594
my parents wouldnt let me spend money on this kinda stuff, but if i could, i would pay $20 for it.
My religion is Starcraft
Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
February 15 2012 01:35 GMT
#595
On February 15 2012 10:17 KevinIX wrote:
I really like the freemium model as well. SC2 has traditionally been Free to watch. Every tournament in the world has a Free stream. Because SC2 was built ground up via the Freemium model, suddenly turning it into a PPV model is going to severely cut into the viewership numbers. That's my biggest concern..

$20 bucks is also too high. NASL offers months of content for the same price. GSL's AoL which lasts approximately as long as MLG Arena costs a quarter of that amount (4.99). Granted, it has fewer players and games, though. I think $10, like Alex suggests, is a great price point. 20 is too high.


This is true as well, I don't play Sc2 so if they start removing free streams I will just watch league of legends instead. I will gladly pay a small amount to support a tournament ONLY if they offer a free stream as well, then I am helping the tournament and the scene grow, once they remove that free low quality stream I feel they are doing nothing to grow the sport and instead are 100% concerned with their own bottom line and esports just is not in a place for that type of business policy.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
February 15 2012 01:38 GMT
#596
Before going PPV, they should've at least make it clear for gold members, that we will not be able to see all events if we don't pay extra money for each event.

Now I'm just pissed and I will definitely not be spending any money at all ever again for MLG. There're just enough good/better tournaments out there with much better cost efficiancy.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
February 15 2012 01:54 GMT
#597
On February 15 2012 10:35 Defury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 10:17 KevinIX wrote:
I really like the freemium model as well. SC2 has traditionally been Free to watch. Every tournament in the world has a Free stream. Because SC2 was built ground up via the Freemium model, suddenly turning it into a PPV model is going to severely cut into the viewership numbers. That's my biggest concern..

$20 bucks is also too high. NASL offers months of content for the same price. GSL's AoL which lasts approximately as long as MLG Arena costs a quarter of that amount (4.99). Granted, it has fewer players and games, though. I think $10, like Alex suggests, is a great price point. 20 is too high.


This is true as well, I don't play Sc2 so if they start removing free streams I will just watch league of legends instead. I will gladly pay a small amount to support a tournament ONLY if they offer a free stream as well, then I am helping the tournament and the scene grow, once they remove that free low quality stream I feel they are doing nothing to grow the sport and instead are 100% concerned with their own bottom line and esports just is not in a place for that type of business policy.

The bottom line is relevant in EVERY business. The millions invested in MLG weren't for charity. Regardless, as stated before, I think twenty is friggin' ridiculous.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
February 15 2012 01:57 GMT
#598
I'm pretty certain if they made it $10 more than twice the current amount of people buying it would buy one.
esports
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 02:00:40
February 15 2012 02:00 GMT
#599
So there really is no free stream for this event? So is there going to be gsl talent there then? no? Im not paying to watch any tourny especially MLG
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
February 15 2012 02:32 GMT
#600
Personally I'm not too fazed with the pricing. $20 every 2 months is nothing
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