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I spent ~70 dollars for an entire YEAR of GSL. MLG wants 20 for 3 days of coverage. Idc how many games they broadcast or how high the resolution is those number simply don't add up.
Furthermore using MLGs VOD system has been nothing but a nightmare for the past year (at least in my personal experience those who I've talked to.) Whereas GOM's VOD system is timely, organized, and perfectly acceptable quality (looks fine on my 46 in TV  )
Thirdly MLG just tried to weasel me out of 10 bucks by ninja changing the terms of my subscription 5 days after it renewed. And put the responsibility on ME to fix it.
Point being I am very disappointed in MLG, ESPECIALLY when you compare it to GOM (who has a freaking language barrier and 14 hour time difference to overcome)
I will not be buying a $20 weekend pass, nor will I be wasting my time with ANOTHER email to MLG support (they are the first thing to come up when I type M in my correspondence line-- I see that as a very bad thing lol)
All that being said, I appreciated the write up from EG
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Thanks for the post on your position. Even if we promote their product I would bet $20.00 that nobody remembers to enter the code they are given if they were to buy it... I don't know about this XD
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On February 15 2012 05:51 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 05:47 babylon wrote:On February 15 2012 05:27 SupLilSon wrote:On February 15 2012 05:21 NoobSkills wrote:On February 15 2012 04:49 Smackzilla wrote:On February 15 2012 04:42 Trizz wrote:
PPV is a HORRIBLE idea.
Not everyone can afford spending money on SC2 events.
They keep talking about wanting to make eSports grow, you'll only lose people putting up PPV things. Tournaments can't afford to lose money on sc2 either. Its expensive to provide a venue, fly in, and provide accommodations to all the top sc2 talent from around the world. What other tournament is footing the cash to make something like this happen? GSL sure isn't. If you want to see a truly international cast of the best players, no one comes close to this MLG arena and no one is providing the support to players and teams to make it happen. You assume they lose money just because they claim they do. MLG been around a long time and keeps losing money. How the fuck are they still around then??? What I am getting at is why is this a buisness if there is never any profit made? When they prove they need the money then I will believe they need the money. Until then I call bullshit. Then on top of that 2009 MLG had 50 million in revenue. If they're losing money while pulling in 50 million they're doing something wrong and deserve to fail. Then with a poor economy they say hey instead of holding our normal tournament the cheap way lets find a way to organize a tournament that costs a fuck ton of money for us to pull off. Meanwhile alienating our fans and sponsors at the same time. I don't always come up with a shitty buisness model, but when I do it is a MLG event. Add in that MLG is offering less content and competition for a price much higher than their competitors and that's their business model that they want us to believe is the future of NA Esports. :\ That's what I can't stand. GSL offered AOL for 5 dollars... I bought that, in a heartbeat. I keep hearing this, and it's so blatantly wrong it hurts. Last year: 6 Pro-circuit events with shitty seeding. This year: 4 Pro-circuit events with better seeding, Arena qualifiers (free), 7 Arenas (free one week after they air). By my count, that is more, not less. Wait, where did you get the 7 Arenas from? I thought there were only 4, one for each Championship. The way I see it, in terms of major events, we go from 6 last year to 8 this year, but 4 of which are PPV, which means that 4 should be available to general viewership.
Sundance tweeted that there would be 6-7, I believe.
It's not like the games will be locked behind a paywall forever. If you want to watch the games for free, watch it one week later. That's free content, IMO.
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On February 15 2012 05:47 Thombur wrote:
Btw, I would encourage people NOT to pay MORE THAN YOU THINK ITS WORTH "just to support esports".
Because the effect will be the opposite. If they make just enough money the PPV idea will keep on rolling and spreading and then your 20$ to support esports will turn into you always having to pay more than you really thought it was worth.
I actually also encourage this. While I want more than anything for Esports to grow, only buy what you want. Don't buy things just because you think it supports Esports - Buy it because you want it, and as a secondary reasoning, you can say you're supporting Esports.
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I am a full time student and i have a monthly income of 250 ( after bills ) ... sry MLG i just cant afford it at all.. GL..
Sc2 is a rich people game now ?!?! hahah IM j/k
But really its the same reason i stopped watching GSL.. There is so much Quality free content out there
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On February 15 2012 05:47 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 05:27 SupLilSon wrote:On February 15 2012 05:21 NoobSkills wrote:On February 15 2012 04:49 Smackzilla wrote:On February 15 2012 04:42 Trizz wrote:
PPV is a HORRIBLE idea.
Not everyone can afford spending money on SC2 events.
They keep talking about wanting to make eSports grow, you'll only lose people putting up PPV things. Tournaments can't afford to lose money on sc2 either. Its expensive to provide a venue, fly in, and provide accommodations to all the top sc2 talent from around the world. What other tournament is footing the cash to make something like this happen? GSL sure isn't. If you want to see a truly international cast of the best players, no one comes close to this MLG arena and no one is providing the support to players and teams to make it happen. You assume they lose money just because they claim they do. MLG been around a long time and keeps losing money. How the fuck are they still around then??? What I am getting at is why is this a buisness if there is never any profit made? When they prove they need the money then I will believe they need the money. Until then I call bullshit. Then on top of that 2009 MLG had 50 million in revenue. If they're losing money while pulling in 50 million they're doing something wrong and deserve to fail. Then with a poor economy they say hey instead of holding our normal tournament the cheap way lets find a way to organize a tournament that costs a fuck ton of money for us to pull off. Meanwhile alienating our fans and sponsors at the same time. I don't always come up with a shitty buisness model, but when I do it is a MLG event. Add in that MLG is offering less content and competition for a price much higher than their competitors and that's their business model that they want us to believe is the future of NA Esports. :\ That's what I can't stand. GSL offered AOL for 5 dollars... I bought that, in a heartbeat. I keep hearing this, and it's so blatantly wrong it hurts. Last year: 6 Pro-circuit events with shitty seeding. This year: 4 Pro-circuit events with better seeding, Arena qualifiers (free), 7 Arenas (free one week after they air). By my count, that is more, not less.
The highlight you made clearly states "than their competitors", not last years MLG.
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20$ is too high but i am still thinking about speding 20 to watch it anyway... and i am poor too =/
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On February 15 2012 03:02 TUski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 02:39 RvB wrote:On February 15 2012 02:25 TUski wrote:
Are you guys serious? There were just as many people who aren't willing to pay at all as there were who would shell out $10? If you honestly can't afford $10 for 20 hours of gameplay and content, you seriously need to take the metaphorical stick out of your ass and think about what you're conveying to MLG and other tournaments. You're not willing to pay a dime because you're entitled to free content 100% of the time? How many tournaments do you think will aim to please the fans as much as MLG has if you idiots aren't willing to pay at all for the content they provide? $10 is a solid, reasonable amount for a weekend of starcraft, not to mention the amazing production quality that MLG provides us every tournament. Look at how far they've come since Columbus last year, then think about where they can go with $10 per viewer for each event.
MLG is headed in the right direction. I hope you guys who think you're entitled to herp derp free content wake/grow up. Why dont you grow up yourself, i just dont think mlg is worth 20 bucks. Its at night, their stream always sucks for me and their are better alternatives that are cheaper (gsl). Plus the only thing that makes mlg worth it for me(the crowd) isn't even there this event. No need to be such an ass because people dont agree with you Look at the second sentence of my post again. Then look at yours.
Replace 20 bucks with 10 bucks, it doesn't change a whole lot. 10 dollars for a 3 day event is just to much especially when there are free alternatives that are at a good time for me and where I get a stream that I dont have to restart after every match with a crowd.
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I guess EG isn't so Evil after all 
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On February 15 2012 05:14 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 05:09 hibbleton wrote:On February 15 2012 05:03 Tarotis wrote:On February 15 2012 05:01 hibbleton wrote:On February 15 2012 04:53 FlukyS wrote:
The truth is for a weekend of play for $20 its way too high like look at GSL. MLG is not competing against GSL. Totally irrelevant. For example: McDonalds charges $3.29 for a cheeseburger + fries (I have no idea what they actually charge) and a restaurant charges $12.99 for a cheeseburger + fries. These price points don't matter because they're not competing with each other. They are competing, but they have different audiences. The audience for GSL and MLG is the same It's not fair to say they're competing at all. That implies that I have to choose between one or the other, which isn't the case. I can choose both of them, I can choose one or I can choose neither. Thats actually completely wrong. Its like saying "Giants vs Patriots is no competition, i could cheer for both teams". Or saying that the eu-car industry is not competing against the us-car industry, because you could buy both cars, right? You will say now, yeah, i cant compare that because cars are so expensive, where the GSL and stuff is peanuts compared to that - right. But it boils down to exactly that. Of course you can pay for both leagues. But most of the people will just pay for ONE. And thats the one with better value.
Haha, maybe I just suck at analogies. I guess I just disagree that it's a binary situation where you have to choose GSL or MLG. Maybe I'm just in the minority here but I'm out to consume as much eSports as I can. Of course, there has to be value in it: I'm not going to spend $50 to watch amateur casters cast amateur matches. But $20 for premium casters (I'd hope) casting professional matches? Sign me up.
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On February 15 2012 06:16 Thombur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 05:47 babylon wrote:On February 15 2012 05:27 SupLilSon wrote:On February 15 2012 05:21 NoobSkills wrote:On February 15 2012 04:49 Smackzilla wrote:On February 15 2012 04:42 Trizz wrote:
PPV is a HORRIBLE idea.
Not everyone can afford spending money on SC2 events.
They keep talking about wanting to make eSports grow, you'll only lose people putting up PPV things. Tournaments can't afford to lose money on sc2 either. Its expensive to provide a venue, fly in, and provide accommodations to all the top sc2 talent from around the world. What other tournament is footing the cash to make something like this happen? GSL sure isn't. If you want to see a truly international cast of the best players, no one comes close to this MLG arena and no one is providing the support to players and teams to make it happen. You assume they lose money just because they claim they do. MLG been around a long time and keeps losing money. How the fuck are they still around then??? What I am getting at is why is this a buisness if there is never any profit made? When they prove they need the money then I will believe they need the money. Until then I call bullshit. Then on top of that 2009 MLG had 50 million in revenue. If they're losing money while pulling in 50 million they're doing something wrong and deserve to fail. Then with a poor economy they say hey instead of holding our normal tournament the cheap way lets find a way to organize a tournament that costs a fuck ton of money for us to pull off. Meanwhile alienating our fans and sponsors at the same time. I don't always come up with a shitty buisness model, but when I do it is a MLG event. Add in that MLG is offering less content and competition for a price much higher than their competitors and that's their business model that they want us to believe is the future of NA Esports. :\ That's what I can't stand. GSL offered AOL for 5 dollars... I bought that, in a heartbeat. I keep hearing this, and it's so blatantly wrong it hurts. Last year: 6 Pro-circuit events with shitty seeding. This year: 4 Pro-circuit events with better seeding, Arena qualifiers (free), 7 Arenas (free one week after they air). By my count, that is more, not less. The highlight you made clearly states "than their competitors", not last years MLG.
It could be I read it wrong with "than their competitors" qualifying "price" -- which I still don't think is correct since everything is free, albeit one week after the event. But okay, let's go with your reading. MLG still offers a shit ton more free content than most of their competitiors as well. 11 (basically) free competitions + free qualifiers is nothing to scoff at.
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I won't be purchasing the 20$ ticket, however I would buy a 10$ ticket. I feel like 10$ is on the high end of what I'd pay. I'd wouldn't think twice about spending 5$, everytime though
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On February 15 2012 06:41 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 03:02 TUski wrote:On February 15 2012 02:39 RvB wrote:On February 15 2012 02:25 TUski wrote:
Are you guys serious? There were just as many people who aren't willing to pay at all as there were who would shell out $10? If you honestly can't afford $10 for 20 hours of gameplay and content, you seriously need to take the metaphorical stick out of your ass and think about what you're conveying to MLG and other tournaments. You're not willing to pay a dime because you're entitled to free content 100% of the time? How many tournaments do you think will aim to please the fans as much as MLG has if you idiots aren't willing to pay at all for the content they provide? $10 is a solid, reasonable amount for a weekend of starcraft, not to mention the amazing production quality that MLG provides us every tournament. Look at how far they've come since Columbus last year, then think about where they can go with $10 per viewer for each event.
MLG is headed in the right direction. I hope you guys who think you're entitled to herp derp free content wake/grow up. Why dont you grow up yourself, i just dont think mlg is worth 20 bucks. Its at night, their stream always sucks for me and their are better alternatives that are cheaper (gsl). Plus the only thing that makes mlg worth it for me(the crowd) isn't even there this event. No need to be such an ass because people dont agree with you Look at the second sentence of my post again. Then look at yours. Replace 20 bucks with 10 bucks, it doesn't change a whole lot. 10 dollars for a 3 day event is just to much especially when there are free alternatives that are at a good time for me and where I get a stream that I dont have to restart after every match with a crowd.
20$ is too much but 10$ is just fine for a starcraft weekend of MLG production. if you dont understand that, then you're probably underage and havent gotten out into the real world yet to understand how things work. please, if you're gonna be angry about a 10$ scenario, just watch assembly instead and stop posting in here.
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On February 15 2012 06:49 Sherbople wrote:
I won't be purchasing the 20$ ticket, however I would buy a 10$ ticket. I feel like 10$ is on the high end of what I'd pay. I'd wouldn't think twice about spending 5$, everytime though
nothing to add. 20 Dollars for 1 weekend, with Assembly running at the same time, is simply too much for me to even think about buying a ticket.
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I don't think $20 is unreasonable, regardless of what GOM or anyone else sells or provides for free. Realistically, this is the way we need to be moving in if we want real growth. It's "E-SPORTS" not "FREE-SPORTS" !
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On the original thread announcing the PPV style I made this same point: $20 is too much. I even said, and I still stand by this, that I would buy it for $10, but $20 is too much. MLG will be receiving my email shortly.
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On February 15 2012 05:31 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 05:11 hibbleton wrote:On February 15 2012 05:05 Ricemagical wrote:On February 15 2012 05:01 hibbleton wrote:On February 15 2012 04:53 FlukyS wrote:
The truth is for a weekend of play for $20 its way too high like look
at GSL. MLG is not competing against GSL. Totally irrelevant. For example: McDonalds charges $3.29 for a cheeseburger + fries (I have no idea what they actually charge) and a restaurant charges $12.99 for a cheeseburger + fries. These price points don't matter because they're not competing with each other. They might not be directly competing, but the end product is essentially the same. Both are serving burgers/fries while both gsl and mlg are serving high level starcraft 2 matches. If you can't get that thought through your head then i just dont know what to say. Maybe my analogy wasn't the best but the fact remains it doesn't matter what the GSL charges for their high level StarCraft 2 matches. MLG is charging $20 for theirs and it's up to you if you want to pay for it or not. For what it's worth, I have a GSL yearly subscription and I'll be buying the MLG Winter Arena PPV. The analogy is the problem because, presumably, there is a limit to how many cheese burgers you can eat. It's more comparable to the price of admission between a professional and collegiate sports game. For those who decide "I will only spend __ dollars this year on basketball", GSL is a better value purely for number of games (there's other issues which I won't get into here.) For someone who says "I fucking love basketball", they're more likely to go to both games, as long as the times don't overlap. I like this argument much more. For what it's worth, I think most fans of SC2 esports fit into the latter "I fucking love basketball" category.
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I love you MLG, but I think you really dropped the ball. $20 bucks for weekend tournament is a joke when I already purchased the gold subscription. Also, are these streams going to be ad free? There is no way in Hell I'd pay $20 bucks just to listen to the none stop "Check out those buns" and random diet dr pepper commercials.
MLG boardroom convo - "Hey guys I got this great idea. We have this tournament, but call it the "Arena" so we can charge everyone again!"
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$20 is a lot in the first place, but the biggest issue to me is MLG just isn't a VOD friendly event. They put alot of emphasis on VODs when they sell their PPV. It's just not working out. The week end is already packed from Friday to Sunday. When do you catch up on VODs? What do you do if you can't watch MLG live on Friday, you watch these VOD's on saturday night after you saw all the results? You miss Saturday to catch up on Friday's games?
I used to be able to watch most of MLG and I would have liked to pay $10 for the week end, but now with work and college I'd spend like the week after watching MLG and not being able to go to TL for spoilers. It just doesn't work out.
Also the event is during the week end so if you actually want to have a life in the little time off you have, then you're screwed because you have to stay in to watch MLG. My schedule just doesn't fit MLG at all. I'd be ready to pay for qualifiers more than the actual PPV.
With GSL even if you're 4-5 days behind you can still go on TL and be able to read thread without getting screwed over and if at some point you have a day off you can watch 2-3 GSL days in the same day and catch up.
That's probably why I'm ready to pay $120 for GSL and GSTL for a year, but I'd never pay $20 for a week end of MLG.
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One month of GSL Premium (includes: 2012 GOMTV SC2 VOD Archives, HQ LIVE, HQ VOD, Dual Streams, Korean VOD, Mobile services (LIVE, VOD), Extra Tournaments): $25; $20 for monthly subscription
One weekend of MLG Arena: $20
lol.
gg no re.
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