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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
On February 11 2012 03:43 Tenks wrote: Not to mention Infestors are the best unit in the entire game If they had the ability to instantly kill any caster unit with a range 9 spell then I'm sure most people would agree. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
This discussion is not making much sense >.> | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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Dauntless
Norway548 Posts
I guess terrans have to seek out a new way to deal with lategame TvZ. | ||
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Haustka
United States221 Posts
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On February 11 2012 03:44 Grumbels wrote: Yeah those were all people that made threats on the forum and then changed their race out of an act of spite. I didn't say nobody would change their race in response to a patch ever, I just think that people that feel the need to use possibly changing as leverage are not necessarily more likely to change. Your two data points are quite meaningless anyway, it just seems to indicate (need more detailed stats though) that race distribution isn't static (amazing discovery that). there are plenty more "data points" if you could be bothered to use the drop down box. Every patch since 1.3.0 has had a reduction in the number of people playing Terran from the last patch in every league except Bronze and GM. On February 11 2012 03:45 Dauntless wrote: Great patch! I guess terrans have to seek out a new way to deal with lategame TvZ. If it wasn't for the fact Morrow totally lucked out with two nukes on Broodlords up to that point the game would never have reached 41 minutes. It's a bit easier to make a few ghosts and get nuke and cloak than to get mass ravens and the upgrades. | ||
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NestleDasani
7 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On February 11 2012 03:39 Gheed wrote: You can't snipe archons. Nor would you want to, EMPing the shields would be better. Oh I had no idea :o Never tried sniping an archon, I don't even play terran. The EMP part is so true it hurts xD After the initial brainfart, I see there are a lot more psionic units than I thought. Oh I see now, it only hits biological. I thought it was "anything non-mechanical  " | ||
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
I know I just edited my post, brain fart moment ^_^ Sorry | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On February 11 2012 03:41 NTTemplar wrote: And at people thinking snipe wasn't broken; how can you justify a unit that forces ZvT to exclude infestors and T3 in late game? You might want to consider looking at how much worse the Terran T3 Units are in comparison to those of the other races before stating something like this. Thors and BC's don't require special counters by the other races unlike other t3. | ||
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Ulixes
Germany25 Posts
On February 11 2012 03:32 Jisall wrote: As far as the ghost change is concerned. This doesn't break terran late game. Rauder, Ghost, Medivac, Viking, Tank seems to be the best composition. Seriously?This combi just gets wrecked by mass lings. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On February 11 2012 03:44 Everlong wrote: I don't mind ghost being nerfed to a point it's not all-around solution to everything. But give me SOMETHING to fight with lategame Z and P. Problem is there is no other way not to lose lategame vs Infestor/Corruptor/Broodlord then mass ghosts.. And the only reason for thet is they won't be useless against next wave of 200/200 Ultras, or Ling/Bane or whatever.. That is my point. As you can see, Terran needs composition that is able to deal with Zerg at least "somewhat" effectively, otherwise it's just a race if you can kill Zerg before tech switching (banking 5k/3k) and having composition you can't deal with, end of story.. I think we need to remember if they are really THAT wrong, then they will revert it. Blizz has reverted things before ya know but its true that the ghosts really do too much damage to all Zerg hivetech. Just in the same way that archon toilet is problematic except for that a zerg if they spread well can avoid it, theres no micro they can do to really avoid mass snipe | ||
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starfish
United States102 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
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architecture
United States643 Posts
1. If you see 20 ghosts, you make ling/bane, kill the ghosts, and then make Hive units. Stop fucking wasting money on Hive units and feeding the ghosts. 2. Energy units help offset the fact that another race has way superior production. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On February 11 2012 03:44 MelodyBW wrote: You are dumb, the ghost is not the terran version of the ht or infestor, it's like the terran queen or sentry.. if you can compare them in that way. it's a tier 2 caster. You can't compare them in that way and it's obviously the equivalent to Infestor/HT. 1 AOE and one single target spell. Similar cost. Yadayada. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
-cloak -remove 100 energy in an aoe (including on buildings), and also does 100 damage to shields -do 50 damage to any biological unit (now this is going to change) -has an auto-attack. Not only an auto-attack but a pretty damn good one that hits air and ground, and does extra damage to light -call down nukes -start with 75 energy Are you serious? This unit, on paper, looks completely broken, and you are complaining that it does 1 thing slightly less amazing now? Both infestors and HT cost more gas and neither has an auto attack. Infestors can do something like cloak, but it limits them to 1 spell. HT have 2 abilities, and 1 requires research. They can turn into half of another unit. A ghost nerf has been long overdue. And yes, I know the nerfed emp a patch ago. | ||
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sAfuRos
United States743 Posts
Phoenix upgrade is idiotic, no one will get a beacon and then a (probably) 100/100 upgrade while still being able to produce phoenix and everything else or even in a timely, useful fashion Snipe change is hilarious because its a +5 boost vs ht's which is totally unnecessary although not huge, but hilarious for lategame tvz where lategame winrate drops off dramatically Mule change is also just a gesture. No tournaments or serious matches are played on maps with gold maps anyways, so this is like...good for catching up to everyone else blizz APM change is only good thing about patch, which is fixing something blizz broke in the first place | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
Vs zerg, stargate is much more viable. Voids counter roach Pheonix counter muta (and somewhat counter hydras). And as a mineral dump, zealots counter lings The fact that we are encouraged to get a fleet beacon means that while colossus are better, carrier is already available. From the perspective of the costs to switch tech, carrier may very well be the better option. The fleet beacon also opens up the benefit of having additional air upgrades. Prior to this I used to just get 1-1 for voids and that was it. I hate the mothership. At least the vortex ability. I think it should be changed or removed. Mothership should be a moving power field instead of have vortex. I would love to see recall more though (and I think we will see it in tandem with carrier play). I see zerg avoiding mutalisks because phenoix will wreck them just as bad as fungal wrecks phoenixes. Huge investment losses to be incurred. I think that meta-game-wise, zerg will just skip straight to infestors. I suspect we are going to be seeing protoss go for carrier/voidray/mothership and zerg will be going for infestor (specifically infested terrans)/hydra My suspicion on balance: As usual, zerg will lose a whole bunch of games and they will QQ but then they will figure out how to stop the protoss strat and then they wont lose to it anymore (timings / when to army or drone / when protoss is weak / how to read what they are doing) There is still a glaring hole in the whole PvZ matchup. Neither race cna viable scout the other. Protoss can use the following to scout (but only can be done after the 10 minute mark): - If you have an obs, you are kind of committed to robo - If you get halucination, that cost just as much gas as a robo. You probably have to go hateway play here. Not enouhg gas to get halucination AND hit any stargate/robo timing. - If you scout with a pheonix, you are commtied to stargate | ||
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shadowy
Bulgaria305 Posts
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