EPTDRG MC and Nestea tweeting balance? - Page 5
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double620
China804 Posts
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double620
China804 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:13 ReaperX wrote: MC has beaten DRG before, only online though edit: KSL He should destroy DRG off line too if he did not decide to try carriers... lol | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
This makes me remember one of his old interview where he said he had hard time against Protoss, then the right next one he said he only won 90% against them. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:00 Stress wrote: The more time you spend complaining about the "imbalance" of a certain race the less time you are spending figuring out how to beat that "imbalance". That sentence is just stupid. Do you really think Nestea is practising 5 hours and the other 5 hours he is monologuing and complaining about imbalance? What does "spend time complaing about imbalance" even mean? you mean the time spent talking on twitter??? really??? | ||
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gh0un
601 Posts
On February 03 2012 00:45 eYeball wrote: Didnt David Kim said in his blog that zerg had highest winrates or most prize money earned or something like that? It's sad to see progamers qq this much Why is it sad? If football was played with two differently sized goals, one big and one small, dont you think the pro football players would complain about it? Obviously football doesnt feature different races, but you get the point. Fact is, for these sc2 pro players, this is their career, and if their career is based on a flawed game that isnt balanced well enough, and they happened to choose the weaker race, then not complaining would be the equivalent to the smaller sized goal team not complaining about their goal´s size, which is not sad but simply RETARDED. Sc2 is still a very young game and no one can claim that the game is balanced or imbalanced. There is a higher chance it is utterly imbalanced, but since players arent perfect, and the game will never be figured out completely (not even in 10 years), the utter imbalance balances itself out within the metagame. The better player that uses the better strategy wins, regardless of race... however.... There always is a time when a particular metagame instance is utterly imbalanced and there actually isnt any way of counterbalancing it with another imbalance, like the marine scv rush on small maps like steps of war. A counter was never figured out, rather the map was taken out of all tournaments. Given enough time we might have seen someone figure something out, chance is high though that it might have not had any counter measure. There is a good chance that something will be figured out, something that can be abused to counteract any given imbalance towards their race, but there also is a high probability that there actually is no counterbalance for that particular scenario. There is value in complaining about something, even if there only is a small chance that it might indeed be an issue. Sc2 is a game of imbalances that counterbalance each other, claiming that it is balanced is just naive. Calling progamers that complain about their race sad is just as naive. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44250 Posts
On February 03 2012 00:49 ilbh wrote: you missed the point... you can't just say the game is balanced based on ladder stats. try to use your brain, this is so obvious and basic... The stats are based on tournaments. Read as: top tier progamers, GM players, and high masters players. And not generic ladder games from people who don't know how to play. I'm using my brain and reading skills. Thanks  Bet you're embarrassed. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:32 gh0un wrote: Why is it sad? If football was played with two differently sized goals, one big and one small, dont you think the pro football players would complain about it? Obviously football doesnt feature different races, but you get the point. Fact is, for these sc2 pro players, this is their career, and if their career is based on a flawed game that isnt balanced well enough, and they happened to choose the weaker race, then not complaining would be the equivalent to the smaller sized goal team not complaining about their goal´s size, which is not sad but simply RETARDED. Sc2 is still a very young game and no one can claim that the game is balanced or imbalanced. There is a higher chance it is utterly imbalanced, but since players arent perfect, and the game will never be figured out completely (not even in 10 years), the utter imbalance balances itself out within the metagame. The better player that uses the better strategy wins, regardless of race... however.... There always is a time when a particular metagame instance is utterly imbalanced and there actually isnt any way of counterbalancing it with another imbalance, like the marine scv rush on small maps like steps of war. A counter was never figured out, rather the map was taken out of all tournaments. Given enough time we might have seen someone figure something out, chance is high though that it might have not had any counter measure. There is a good chance that something will be figured out, something that can be abused to counteract any given imbalance towards their race, but there also is a high probability that there actually is no counterbalance for that particular scenario. There is value in complaining about something, even if there only is a small chance that it might indeed be an issue. Sc2 is a game of imbalances that counterbalance each other, claiming that it is balanced is just naive. Calling progamers that complain about their race sad is just as naive. They don't have to cry on twitter, better of giving constructive feedback to Blizzard. | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The stats are based on tournaments. Read as: top tier progamers, GM players, and high masters players. And not generic ladder games from people who don't know how to play. I'm using my brain and reading skills. Thanks Bet you're embarrassed. lol of course not, you should be even more embarassed now that you compared top GM and high masters stats with HIGH LEVEL PRO KOREANS. but yeah... it was fun reading your posts | ||
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gh0un
601 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:40 eYeball wrote: They don't have to cry on twitter, better of giving constructive feedback to Blizzard. They can do whatever they want, who are you to tell them what they can and cant do. | ||
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brimestone
South Africa16 Posts
If the pros whine.... its probably true. Why?... because they know more than you, Play better than you, And understand the game better than you. If you disagree with me.. Its like You being a virgin teaching a porn star how to have sex. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
When DRG and Nestea say it, suddenly it is fact. /sigh | ||
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Vash_SC2
United States122 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:37 Inori wrote: While that's a stupid statement (are you saying only bad tosses vs good zerg games were in January? or only incontrol played all toss games?), korean stats are not really that much different, about 43% win rate. And the month right before it was reversed in Toss's favor. A race winning more in 1 month doesn't mean anything when it comes to balance; this game is far too complex for it to work like that. | ||
Noocta
France12578 Posts
And he's not really seriousd about it anyway. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44250 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:40 ilbh wrote: lol of course not, you should be even more embarassed now that you compared top GM and high masters stats with HIGH LEVEL PRO KOREANS. but yeah... it was fun reading your posts You seriously need to learn how to read and click links, dude. The site has international tournament stats and Korean-only tournament stats. And plenty of pro-gamers are also top master/ GM on ladder, so there's overlap. I've never seen so much fail in one person's set of posts. The link was even provided for you. Click it -.-' Sigh. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:43 Alderan wrote: So when idrA says it, he's whining about balance. When DRG and Nestea say it, suddenly it is fact. /sigh funny how that works isnt it | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
well, you are the bad guy right? /sarcasm | ||
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