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On February 03 2012 00:29 double620 wrote:
Immortal+ sentries timing attack build!!
Another build created by Mc. Another toss build being called Imba.
As a Mc fan, I am pround of Mc.
Btw, at the time Mc lost to happy, mvp and Sc in WCG Korea, he said pvt is balanced. I know that zerg is having a hard time, but if we looked at DRG and Nestea's zvp winrate in GSL, there is no way they should complain the matchup.
I can understand why Idra is complaining tho..
Look at best protoss win rates. Hover around 60%. Not even close to best zerg and terran which hover around 80%.
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On February 03 2012 00:11 theBALLS wrote:
DRG and nestea should watch stephano's stream perhaps
What for? Stepano has never beat MC. DRG has always beat MC.
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On February 03 2012 00:10 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 21:15 Telcontar wrote:
He also says choosing zerg means you have to endure all the hardships that come with it. Nestea is wise. Zerg rarely offers easy wins but it hard to defeat when played properly.
Thats stupid. Good players are hard to beat, not races.
People need to stop this race whining shit and just try to improve and try new things. I esp hate when I hear anyone below a high level of masters complaining about one race being OP.
Q: Give us a run down on your thoughts on the PvZ match up. Is toss OP?
A: "I do not think that race is involved in the eternal debate about imbalance. In my opinion, it is the players that determine the difficulty of a match-up. A good player will always be hard to beat."
Stephanos answer on the whole race debate.
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On February 03 2012 00:40 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 00:10 [F_]aths wrote:On February 02 2012 21:15 Telcontar wrote:
He also says choosing zerg means you have to endure all the hardships that come with it. Nestea is wise. Zerg rarely offers easy wins but it hard to defeat when played properly. Thats stupid. Good players are hard to beat, not races. People need to stop this race whining shit and just try to improve and try new things. I esp hate when I hear anyone below a high level of masters complaining about one race being OP.
And I especially hate ppl saying toss imba when in fact 3 out of 4 made it to ro8 are terrans.
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Didnt David Kim said in his blog that zerg had highest winrates or most prize money earned or something like that?
It's sad to see progamers qq this much
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I imagine there's a lot more that DRG wants to say about protoss but can't because of his status as a progamer.
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On February 02 2012 23:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 23:51 Geo.Rion wrote:On February 02 2012 23:47 quickclickz wrote:http://imgur.com/a/hQHYSThe shorter the bars, the more dominating you are right? /thread yes, u linking to a random stat clearly makes this thread about Korean pros fighting over twitter obsolete, thanks man, you are a hero For what it's worth, it's pretty much all the stats. But it's still fun to hear even the top level pros whine when there's nothing to whine about ^^
you missed the point... you can't just say the game is balanced based on ladder stats. try to use your brain, this is so obvious and basic...
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On February 03 2012 00:45 eYeball wrote:
Didnt David Kim said in his blog that zerg had highest winrates or most prize money earned or something like that?
It's sad to see progamers qq this much
Yes because that really matters.
No what matters is the current state of the game, and nothing else. You don't base nerfs/buffs over prize money you base it off the matchup.
/facepalm
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On February 03 2012 00:52 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 00:49 SC2NeCro wrote:On February 03 2012 00:45 eYeball wrote:
Didnt David Kim said in his blog that zerg had highest winrates or most prize money earned or something like that?
It's sad to see progamers qq this much Yes because that really matters. No what matters is the current state of the game, and nothing else. You don't base nerfs/buffs over prize money you base it off the matchup. /facepalm And current state of the game shows us that toss has 41% win rate against Zerg....
From what? Ladder? Tournaments? Before latest patch? After latest patch? Show me the statistic.
The only thing that should matter is pro gamer vs. pro gamer % after the latest patch.
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when hasn't nestea complained about protoss?
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On February 03 2012 00:21 tdt wrote:
Starting to lose respect for DRG. Toss has only been 3/32 code S finalists less than 10%. Suck badly in Korea since patch 1.2 like a year ago. I guess Protoss is never supposed to win.
But this includes all the past patches, including when Terran was clearly OP, or a time with OP fungals, and before all the Protoss buffs. They're talking about now, where P has an edge over T and Z, which imo is definitely true.
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On February 03 2012 00:54 SC2NeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 00:52 Inori wrote:On February 03 2012 00:49 SC2NeCro wrote:On February 03 2012 00:45 eYeball wrote:
Didnt David Kim said in his blog that zerg had highest winrates or most prize money earned or something like that?
It's sad to see progamers qq this much Yes because that really matters. No what matters is the current state of the game, and nothing else. You don't base nerfs/buffs over prize money you base it off the matchup. /facepalm And current state of the game shows us that toss has 41% win rate against Zerg.... From what? Ladder? Tournaments? Before latest patch? After latest patch? Show me the statistic. The only thing that should matter is pro gamer vs. pro gamer % after the latest patch.
January TLPD winrate thread
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I'm sorry but any1 that thinks Protoss is OP in the current state of the game is completely delusional.
If they were winning every tournament with 2-3 Protoss in the semi's something would be wrong.
But that's not the case at all, Protoss winrates are lower then from the other races even.
The best part is that Protoss is last in pretty much any ranking, prizemoney, winrates, and so on.
I guess Zerg players still think they are playing a bad race or something (LOL).
Really dissapointed by DRG and Nestea, maybe they should practice more 
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The more time you spend complaining about the "imbalance" of a certain race the less time you are spending figuring out how to beat that "imbalance". Besides, none of the current "imbalance" is so severe that it is completely game breaking(imo), and it only applies at the very highest levels of play anyway. The "imbalance" doesn't affect 99% of the players on these forums simply because your skill level isn't high enough.
On a side note, no flaming intended, why does it always appear Zergs are the ones starting these balance disscusions(if you could call it that)? From an earnings standpoint at the highest levels of play Zerg are doing really well according to: http://sc2earnings.com/ ... better than Protoss at least.
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On February 03 2012 00:58 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 00:54 SC2NeCro wrote:On February 03 2012 00:52 Inori wrote:On February 03 2012 00:49 SC2NeCro wrote:On February 03 2012 00:45 eYeball wrote:
Didnt David Kim said in his blog that zerg had highest winrates or most prize money earned or something like that?
It's sad to see progamers qq this much Yes because that really matters. No what matters is the current state of the game, and nothing else. You don't base nerfs/buffs over prize money you base it off the matchup. /facepalm And current state of the game shows us that toss has 41% win rate against Zerg.... From what? Ladder? Tournaments? Before latest patch? After latest patch? Show me the statistic. The only thing that should matter is pro gamer vs. pro gamer % after the latest patch. January TLPD winrate thread
Even that statistic isn't a good indicator for play at the top of the Starcraft II world. Those are looking at all the games from your daily cups to the GSL. The fact of the matter is, if InControl loses to Destiny, that says nothing about balance at the Code S level.
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Rather than talking about imbalanced / overpowered races I think we should talk about individual match-ups
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On February 03 2012 00:49 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 23:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 02 2012 23:51 Geo.Rion wrote:On February 02 2012 23:47 quickclickz wrote:http://imgur.com/a/hQHYSThe shorter the bars, the more dominating you are right? /thread yes, u linking to a random stat clearly makes this thread about Korean pros fighting over twitter obsolete, thanks man, you are a hero For what it's worth, it's pretty much all the stats. But it's still fun to hear even the top level pros whine when there's nothing to whine about ^^ you missed the point... you can't just say the game is balanced based on ladder stats. try to use your brain, this is so obvious and basic...
I think you are missing the point here. Have a look at the stats' description; data comes from tournaments and does not include ladder.
On topic though: don't read too much into what can only be said in less than 160 chars. Looks like some friendly banter to me.
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On February 03 2012 00:36 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 00:11 theBALLS wrote:
DRG and nestea should watch stephano's stream perhaps What for? Stepano has never beat MC. DRG has always beat MC.
MC has beaten DRG before, only online though
edit: KSL
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