EPTOn February 03 2012 02:43 ilbh wrote:
lol I don't know if you realize that I wasn't replaying to you, it was for that guy how knows more than nestea and DRG.
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On February 03 2012 02:40 Utinni wrote:
I never said to use the stats as confirmation, someone asked for them. (you are crazy if you are saying that I told you to go by the stats) as I said before someone asked for them so I gave them the link.
I, unlike you, trust that if they have any complaints with balance, they DO have contacts with blizzard and are hopefully already talking to them about it. I obviously know they have qualms with the game since like I stated before they always complain about the balance (zvp matchup).
Just like the entire world, I play the game as it is given to me. And just like everyone else we have to work with what we got.
EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS. The TLPD is just one of them... ease up sir. I am not saying live and die by the TLPD winrates, I am saying, accept that there are many different perceptions of this wonderful game ( like you said who are we to say what is or isn't balanced).
On February 03 2012 02:25 ilbh wrote:
yes, they are always complaing, thanks god they do that, but who you are to judge if they are wrong or not?
btw, you just gave one more reason to never use stats, cause the meta-game is always changing, there are always new strategies, etc.
my point is: no one here can say if the game is or is not balanced and we can't use stats to justify it. that's all.
On February 03 2012 02:20 Utinni wrote:
The game is changing every month new strats are coming out... EVERY MONTH. Everyone is gonna complain every month...
You're argument about high level players complaining about matchups is silly because THEY ALWAYS COMPLAIN. Watch every video interview, no one is gonna say their race is OP.
I don't know a time when nestea hasn't complained about protoss, even when he was winning GSL's.
About the stats: someone asked for them... I was not using them... they were requested.
On February 03 2012 02:03 ilbh wrote:
ok, I will explain you how wrong you are. you can't use STATS to judge game balance at KOREAN PRO HIGH LEVEL.
firstly, you are mixing masters and grand masters within tournaments results, that doesn't say shit. tournaments have terrible map pools and the mayority of their players are not even CODE A players.
secondly, even if those tournaments had only TOP CODE S players like the ones who are complaining about balance, sometimes they just don't play at their best because they have CODE S games to be played and they want to hide strategies, builds, etc. or even they are not trying to get mentally tired.
so, in the end you really can't, by any means, use any kind of stats to judge the balance at the really high level CODE S game.
stop acting like if you know more than the HIGH LEVEL korean pros who are complaining about balance.
I'm now saying the game is or is not balance because of one or 2 top players, I'm just saying how wrong you are by using those stats. we can't even have an opinion about the subject cause we have never been at the really high level of play.
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also another important thing about STATS is that they don't consider how the game was played. sometimes it was a build order win, a win due to mistake from opponents, etc. some stuff that you really can't use to judge balance.
only people playing at really high level at daily basis can see what is or is not too strong, what build counters what build, etc.
btw, you post too much... more than 10k in less than 2 years lol
On February 03 2012 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
You seriously need to learn how to read and click links, dude. The site has international tournament stats and Korean-only tournament stats. And plenty of pro-gamers are also top master/ GM on ladder, so there's overlap.
I've never seen so much fail in one person's set of posts. The link was even provided for you. Click it -.-' Sigh.
On February 03 2012 01:40 ilbh wrote:
lol of course not, you should be even more embarassed now that you compared top GM and high masters stats with HIGH LEVEL PRO KOREANS. but yeah... it was fun reading your posts
On February 03 2012 01:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
The stats are based on tournaments. Read as: top tier progamers, GM players, and high masters players. And not generic ladder games from people who don't know how to play.
I'm using my brain and reading skills. Thanks Bet you're embarrassed.
On February 03 2012 00:49 ilbh wrote:
you missed the point... you can't just say the game is balanced based on ladder stats. try to use your brain, this is so obvious and basic...
On February 02 2012 23:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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For what it's worth, it's pretty much all the stats.
But it's still fun to hear even the top level pros whine when there's nothing to whine about ^^
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For what it's worth, it's pretty much all the stats.
But it's still fun to hear even the top level pros whine when there's nothing to whine about ^^
you missed the point... you can't just say the game is balanced based on ladder stats. try to use your brain, this is so obvious and basic...
The stats are based on tournaments. Read as: top tier progamers, GM players, and high masters players. And not generic ladder games from people who don't know how to play.
I'm using my brain and reading skills. Thanks
Bet you're embarrassed. lol of course not, you should be even more embarassed now that you compared top GM and high masters stats with HIGH LEVEL PRO KOREANS. but yeah... it was fun reading your posts
You seriously need to learn how to read and click links, dude. The site has international tournament stats and Korean-only tournament stats. And plenty of pro-gamers are also top master/ GM on ladder, so there's overlap.
I've never seen so much fail in one person's set of posts. The link was even provided for you. Click it -.-' Sigh.
ok, I will explain you how wrong you are. you can't use STATS to judge game balance at KOREAN PRO HIGH LEVEL.
firstly, you are mixing masters and grand masters within tournaments results, that doesn't say shit. tournaments have terrible map pools and the mayority of their players are not even CODE A players.
secondly, even if those tournaments had only TOP CODE S players like the ones who are complaining about balance, sometimes they just don't play at their best because they have CODE S games to be played and they want to hide strategies, builds, etc. or even they are not trying to get mentally tired.
so, in the end you really can't, by any means, use any kind of stats to judge the balance at the really high level CODE S game.
stop acting like if you know more than the HIGH LEVEL korean pros who are complaining about balance.
I'm now saying the game is or is not balance because of one or 2 top players, I'm just saying how wrong you are by using those stats. we can't even have an opinion about the subject cause we have never been at the really high level of play.
EDIT:
also another important thing about STATS is that they don't consider how the game was played. sometimes it was a build order win, a win due to mistake from opponents, etc. some stuff that you really can't use to judge balance.
only people playing at really high level at daily basis can see what is or is not too strong, what build counters what build, etc.
btw, you post too much... more than 10k in less than 2 years lol
The game is changing every month new strats are coming out... EVERY MONTH. Everyone is gonna complain every month...
You're argument about high level players complaining about matchups is silly because THEY ALWAYS COMPLAIN. Watch every video interview, no one is gonna say their race is OP.
I don't know a time when nestea hasn't complained about protoss, even when he was winning GSL's.
About the stats: someone asked for them... I was not using them... they were requested.
yes, they are always complaing, thanks god they do that, but who you are to judge if they are wrong or not?
btw, you just gave one more reason to never use stats, cause the meta-game is always changing, there are always new strategies, etc.
my point is: no one here can say if the game is or is not balanced and we can't use stats to justify it. that's all.
I never said to use the stats as confirmation, someone asked for them. (you are crazy if you are saying that I told you to go by the stats) as I said before someone asked for them so I gave them the link.
I, unlike you, trust that if they have any complaints with balance, they DO have contacts with blizzard and are hopefully already talking to them about it. I obviously know they have qualms with the game since like I stated before they always complain about the balance (zvp matchup).
Just like the entire world, I play the game as it is given to me. And just like everyone else we have to work with what we got.
EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS. The TLPD is just one of them... ease up sir. I am not saying live and die by the TLPD winrates, I am saying, accept that there are many different perceptions of this wonderful game ( like you said who are we to say what is or isn't balanced).
lol I don't know if you realize that I wasn't replaying to you, it was for that guy how knows more than nestea and DRG.
You weren't talking to me at first but I find it hard to believe you take everything top koreans say as gold. If top korean zerg had their way 100%; Protoss as a race would be just probes, blinkless stalkers and zealots that do your taxes.
