EPTZvP and ZvT are looking really good inside of korea though.
TLPD Winrate Charts: January - Page 16
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Biggun69
187 Posts
ZvP and ZvT are looking really good inside of korea though. | ||
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GLLuvz
Norway25 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:06 krooked wrote: "Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss" - idrA The words of a Overrated player are meaningless. | ||
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jgelling
55 Posts
The problem has always been the lackluster Protoss AA situation. I don't think changes to the phoenix fixes that, because unless you start phoenix production early they'll never be effective against a muta flock. But if you do that, phoenix are too weak against ground units to be built in numbers, and you end up investing in a dead end tech path if Zerg switches to roach. It doesn't help matters that a few corruptors can kill infinity phoenix, while mutas pwn void rays. Protoss air just isn't as massable or as effective as Zerg air in the mid-game, unless it catches the Zerg player off guard (waiting too long to get lair). A flat buff to the stalker would be too much on the ground. Archons are too slow and fat, but if they weren't they'd incinerate everything. The answer when this game started, and why muta/ling was popular but not overwhelming, was KA. I'd just mention that Protoss win rates have never recovered from the removal of KA - it's just been whack a mole with other smaller buffs ever since then. If KA can't be brought back in some form, I'd say the next best answer is to give the stalker a prismatic beam-like, or corruption-like, 20% bonus vs air units. That'd raise the base damage from 10 to 12, but even with full upgrades it'd still just be a modest +2 damage over what it is now. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
PvT has been shifting in Ps favour for a while. Z have had the upper hand against P for a while too. Still its not really bad and it boils down to tje skill of the players involved. of course people will ignore that and call everything OP  I am happy in that people maybe will realise that T is not OP. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 03 2012 10:16 windsupernova wrote: Pretty much as expected. PvT has been shifting in Ps favour for a while. Z have had the upper hand against P for a while too. Still its not really bad and it boils down to tje skill of the players involved. of course people will ignore that and call everything OP I am happy in that people maybe will realise that T is not OP. but still the moving average for terran for the past year never dropped below 50%. Terran still is the strongest race if you look at statistics. | ||
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dudecrush
Canada418 Posts
Great graphs! Thanks for the information! | ||
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phathom321
United States1730 Posts
On February 03 2012 08:50 Jermstuddog wrote: @phathom While your point is valid, it doesn't disagree with my greater point. Protoss is fundamentally fucked and Blizzard is running out of band-aids. We are aproaching a point in the meta-game where either Zerg or Protoss (both badly designed IMO) are at risk of becoming non-viable or more OP than Terran ever was in competitive play. Blizzards balance changes are getting smaller, and the swings are getting bigger. Yeah, I agree with Protoss being fundamentally fucked. Being completely reliant on two things is rather depressing. But getting warp gates would be a step in the right direction. Also why does nobody actually read what letters are in my name ;_: | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On February 03 2012 10:23 Cheerio wrote: but still the moving average for terran for the past year never dropped below 50%. Terran still is the strongest race if you look at statistics. Yup. Its a strong race, but not the autowin race that every whiner seemed to think. Overall the better player wins and that is good enough for me. On a side not not related to the quote: Wow, people are still blaming FFE for P doing badly? Dudes, against gate expands(which are less safe than FFE) the Z can still get a 3rd quite early and if the Z knows his timmings there is no much to fear from gate expands. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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alpinefpOPP
United States134 Posts
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tuho12345
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tuho12345
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
On February 02 2012 17:59 Medrea wrote: Another winrate chart. Another thread where people demonstrate they dont know how to read charts. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
After a certain point, you can push with an upgraded zealot/archon/HT ball and kill him. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On February 03 2012 09:29 ticklishmusic wrote: The thing I don't understand is how the PvZ winrate is so low. PvZ is by FAR my best matchup-- I'm around 70% in it. My PvT is pretty terrible though. Zerg... at lower leagues it's really good b/c no one knows how to punish overdroning. Charts or balance have almost no effect upon anyone in the ladder who isn't pushing top 50 GM, and even that is sketchy to say the least. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 03 2012 10:57 Tyrant0 wrote: Charts or balance have almost no effect upon anyone in the ladder who isn't pushing top 50 GM, and even that is sketchy to say the least. I'm saying that since the majority of players are not top GM, the charts are heavily based on how their games work out. It seems to me the fact that zerg can overdrone and get super eco without getting punished for it in the lower leagues explains their high winrate overall. The way it works is that simply Zerg is favored in lower leagues because of their fairly easy macro mechanic, while the strength of other races to attack cannot be utilized at a similar level. Now, if they took say Masters and higher or just GM or some higher tier of players, the results might well be very different. For example, last season, my stats were something like: PvP: 52% PvT: 32% PvZ: 69% | ||
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rOse_PedaL
Korea (South)450 Posts
ZvP I can't beat a P as Z THIS IS MADNESS | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:06 thezanursic wrote: Fuck yeah this fucking proves two things zerg is the easiest race to play and the game is pretty balance. I don't think you know what the word 'prove' means. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
The fault of the general community, not of the OP | ||
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