TLPD Winrate Charts: January - Page 14

On February 03 2012 07:11 Sylailene wrote:
My protoss heart shrunk reading international, but I still beloved in us, Aiur fighting !

On February 03 2012 07:11 Oerbaa wrote:
Zerg nerf inc, if not ill be surprised :O

On February 03 2012 04:06 Zarent wrote:


A FFE is the only reliable way of playing the matchup. The various sentry based gateway expands are all not viable for various reasons that has been discussed before by me and a thousand other players.

Anyway, the core issue is that fast 3 hatch is not punishable by Protoss except by VERY specific builds (+1 Zealot/Void comes to mind) and these -are- being figured out gradually, just as Stargate or DT timings were figured out before. If a Zerg gets up his ridiculously fast third without Protoss dealing damage, its essentially over.

However, Protoss also cannot go -too- all in since Zerg can arbitrarily also bust the front with a roach/ling all-in.

The core issue of the matchup is a combination of the following:
Fast 3rd
Mutas
Broodlord/Infestor

This can be put more simply by one big issue though. Protoss is -always- working on a timer for the entire game. We HAVE to be aggressive on the fast third and delay or kill it off, we HAVE to have blink / cannons / HT up by the time mutas come out, and we HAVE to have either a 200/200 mass of Blink Stalkers or Mothership/Archon by the time Broodlord/Infestor comes out. There simply aren't other options besides these.

Sure, a P player can get funky and throw in a warp prism and DTs or whatever. But there's no legitimate way for Protoss to actually be -ahead- in the macro game and dictate the flow of the game (besides all-ins).

On February 03 2012 07:25 superstartran wrote:




You forgot to point out that if a P tries to play too greedy and take a 3rd too fast the Z maxes out on Roaches 12/13 minutes into the game and A-Moves you to death with 0 skill involved.

On February 03 2012 07:17 emc wrote:


this has nothing to do with balance, it's simply win rates.

When will people understand that tournaments are random and have nothing to do with balance? There are a ton of factors such as map pool, a players physical and mental condition as well as the metagame and strategies used.

These win rates also have nothing to do with your ladder experiences because 99% of the people here aren't playing in tournaments that are reflected on the TLPD.

Zergs win rate in the first two GSL seasons were averaged out to 50% because of Fruit dealer and Nestea winning GSL but all other zergs were getting stomped. This doesn't show balance, it again only shows us which race is winning or more like which player is winning.