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On February 03 2012 05:56 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:48 K3Nyy wrote:On February 03 2012 05:25 DaveVAH wrote:On February 02 2012 21:11 OpTiKDream wrote:
sometimes i just get the feeling this is all a big troll attempt to get blizzard buffing protoss more. The Creator of this graph is a Protoss player. Anyone double checking his numbers? His scaling--As noted by many-- is already pretty deceiving. He's taken his own time and a lot of hard work to make it by himself, yet you're doubting it because he plays Protoss. Don't look at it if you don't believe it. There has to be checks and balances for something that affects the opinions of thousands of people in the community. The numbers that are given to him should be compiled by someone else to see if accuracy is kept. This game is a highly emotional game, people playing a race will get down right insane sometimes by regular standards. if someone is not playing random, and is solely responsible for putting together something that affects community perception (and that in response affects blizzard and how they balance the game) I at-least SOME checks and balances. Someone should put the time to verify these stats.
You whine about a thing you could easily check for yourself? Lol.
Not to say most of the balance whine doesn't come from this thread, like at all. It's the opposite, people whine and then usually the numbers aren't as bad as they appear to be.
But please, continue to be an ass to others while doing nothing by yourself.
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You whine about a thing you could easily check for yourself? Lol.
Not to say most of the balance whine doesn't come from this thread, like at all. It's the opposite, people whine and then usually the numbers aren't as bad as they appear to be.
But please, continue to be an ass to others while doing nothing by yourself.
Weak comeback. he gets his stats mainly from Teamliquid moderators and then puts them together I believe. if those numbers were given to me or someone else I would be glad to put the time to Double Check it.
My point is SOMEONE needs to double check something this important.
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i think pvz is fine at the moment. in my opinion it's more a problem of foreign protoss(most of them) not adapting and still using robo/colossus builds in the midgame.
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On February 03 2012 06:05 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +
You whine about a thing you could easily check for yourself? Lol.
Not to say most of the balance whine doesn't come from this thread, like at all. It's the opposite, people whine and then usually the numbers aren't as bad as they appear to be.
But please, continue to be an ass to others while doing nothing by yourself.
Weak comeback. he gets his stats mainly from Teamliquid moderators and then puts them together I believe. if those numbers were given to me or someone else I would be glad to put the time to Double Check it. My point is SOMEONE needs to double check something this important.
Comeback of what? That was my first message to you ever, get off the conspiracy googles.
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On February 03 2012 06:21 Gheizen64 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:05 DaveVAH wrote:
You whine about a thing you could easily check for yourself? Lol.
Not to say most of the balance whine doesn't come from this thread, like at all. It's the opposite, people whine and then usually the numbers aren't as bad as they appear to be.
But please, continue to be an ass to others while doing nothing by yourself.
Weak comeback. he gets his stats mainly from Teamliquid moderators and then puts them together I believe. if those numbers were given to me or someone else I would be glad to put the time to Double Check it. My point is SOMEONE needs to double check something this important. Comeback of what? That was my first message to you ever, get off the conspiracy googles.
Ok, technically not a come back, but you were responding in-support of someone i was quoting.
Its not conspiracy, its good book keeping.
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On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote:
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.
Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.
I need to quote this post so more ppl can laugh at how stupid it is.
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On February 03 2012 05:25 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 21:11 OpTiKDream wrote:
sometimes i just get the feeling this is all a big troll attempt to get blizzard buffing protoss more. The Creator of this graph is a Protoss player. Anyone double checking his numbers? His scaling--As noted by many-- is already pretty deceiving.
No it is not deceiving. The numbers are right there next to each bar. I am not sure how much more clear can he make it.
Please do not attack the graph creator if you do not like the numbers. He is doing a big service to all of us. If you have nothing positive to say, please say nothing at all.
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non korean Protosses need to fix their PvZ...
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Does anybody know how BoX as counted(only winner of BoX or every every game separately)?
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On February 03 2012 05:25 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 21:11 OpTiKDream wrote:
sometimes i just get the feeling this is all a big troll attempt to get blizzard buffing protoss more. The Creator of this graph is a Protoss player. Anyone double checking his numbers? His scaling--As noted by many-- is already pretty deceiving.
Are you serious?
I can't belive what I'm reading.
He's doing a great job for the community and you have the guts to attack him even when he has put all the numbers next to the bars.
But hey I'm a protoss too so I'm part of this conspiracy.
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On February 03 2012 06:05 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +
You whine about a thing you could easily check for yourself? Lol.
Not to say most of the balance whine doesn't come from this thread, like at all. It's the opposite, people whine and then usually the numbers aren't as bad as they appear to be.
But please, continue to be an ass to others while doing nothing by yourself.
Weak comeback. he gets his stats mainly from Teamliquid moderators and then puts them together I believe. if those numbers were given to me or someone else I would be glad to put the time to Double Check it. My point is SOMEONE needs to double check something this important.
He gets his stats from TLPD an easily accessible database in the top navigation bar under Features.
Get crackin'! Can't wait to see what you come up with!
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Foreigner community has always had great protoss players, probably it's the race with better players (and a lot of them).
Bronzies saying foreigners protoss are bad is BS.
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What is going on with ZvP?!
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On February 02 2012 17:58 ThatGuyDoMo wrote:
holy dooley that ZvP difference LOL
Must me some anomaly
Out of that amount of games sampled, no anomaly would influence the results that much.
If the results are the same for another month, either Tosses need to step up, or ZvP needs some tweaks.
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My experience with ZvP in diamond was simple mass roaches and nothing could stop it. They simply had no reason to build anything else no matter what I tried. There is something wrong with that unit in that match-up, and I think the unit in general. These belligerent "catch all" units are no good for the game. (looking at you marauder!)
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Its obvious PvZ need work. both Mutalisks and 200/200 roach armies at 13 minutes in are completely insane and need work.
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On February 03 2012 06:56 Lore-Fighting wrote:
My experience with ZvP in diamond was simple mass roaches and nothing could stop it. They simply had no reason to build anything else no matter what I tried. There is something wrong with that unit in that match-up, and I think the unit in general. These belligerent "catch all" units are no good for the game. (looking at you marauder!)
Immortal, Colossus, FF, blink stalker... Good luck in masters 
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On February 03 2012 06:05 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +
You whine about a thing you could easily check for yourself? Lol.
Not to say most of the balance whine doesn't come from this thread, like at all. It's the opposite, people whine and then usually the numbers aren't as bad as they appear to be.
But please, continue to be an ass to others while doing nothing by yourself.
Weak comeback. he gets his stats mainly from Teamliquid moderators and then puts them together I believe. if those numbers were given to me or someone else I would be glad to put the time to Double Check it. My point is SOMEONE needs to double check something this important.
He doesn't get his stats from TL staff, he gets his stats from TLPD (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/tlpd_select.php) and puts out every game result, it's a long and hard work. Go ahead and double check if if you want to. Good luck tho.
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I hate these threads not because of TL but because the b.net forums go ape shit over these images thinking they are the final say on balance. These are tournament wins, remember.
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Zerg nerf inc, if not ill be surprised :O
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