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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:00 TheDwf wrote: Are you seriously telling us that Thors are efficient against BattleCruisers? Thors are terrible against BattleCruisers. Given equal upgrades, Thors deal something like 4 dps to them... The cannon ability does massive damage and stuns BCs. | ||
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HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:38 willoc wrote: The cannon ability does massive damage and stuns BCs. Can't be used against air. I just learned this too =/ | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:40 HackBenjamin wrote: Can't be used against air. I just learned this too =/ Oh harsh! Thanks for the tips! | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:09 StarBrift wrote: Fully upgraded battlecruisers are almost unkillable with ghost backup vs zerg. The biggest problem with the unit though is that while BCs are good with matching upgrades they aren't that good with no upgrades. So someone basically has to get full air upgrades before they are effective and that is WAAAY late into a game. If you wanted to get those upgrades early you would have way weaker siege tanks or marines and it's just not worth it. It is actually ridiculously strong vs zerg, You have to have 30+ corruptors to counter 5 BC sice 10+ corruptors will die to snipes and yamato before the first BC falls. Also if you add vikings to the group the corruptors can't really wittle down BCs since they have low range. If you're facing fully upgraded BCs with ghost backup then you've already lost that game before because that's just too expensive army to get it normally. Terran should be way ahead to go for that. That's like ultimate army. But yea, what people already said, upgrades screw BCs because they have great rate of fire but small dmg. in TvT you'll see them in late late game in TvZ you can get them in laze game if you're in good situation but they are slow so zerg can run around and screw with you + corruptors own you in TvP stalkers will have 3 armor while you'll have maybe 1 on BC. Add guardian shield = BC does 4 dmg to stalker | ||
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-FooFighter-
Serbia35 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
you have to already be ahead to make air tier 3 viable. and if your already ahead well, why extend the game and give your opponent another opportunity | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
And it would never get to the mass Thor vs BC situation. Whenever you go BC's you get ravens, and they'd simply drop a ton of PDDs, which Thors are awful vs with their crazy long cooldown. Thors aren't plausible at all in the longrun, only good while you're looking for a transition. Only time I've seen it remotely work is in a game Demuslim vs Murder on Demuslims stream where Demuslim had like 3/3 vs 1/0 and was fighting like 3 thors vs 3 BC's constantly and the BC's were always clumped and never had yamato, and never managed to get large numbers because Murder was starved. | ||
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Icemind
Germany570 Posts
For future reference: Actually try things out next time before posting about them. One of the major reasons why you will pretty much never see BCs in competitive play except maybe TvT is, that at the point where it is viable to build them (3+ bases, 20min+ games and possibly split map scenarios) most units will already be fully upgraded or well on the way to be so. Most units with the exception of BCs that is, since terran air upgrades are usually only gotten in TvT. 3/3 Battlecruisers would be actually viable in TvP at least and possibly TvZ as well, but since there is no really viable way to make use of those upgrades anytime before, there just is no transition to that 3/3 BC state. And if you just send unupgraded BCs into battle against upgraded P or Z armies they quite frankly suck big time for their cost. This i especially true since they greatly suffer from opponents armor upgrades, each of those decreasing their damage output by at least 16%. edit: oh well other people were faster ... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:47 bLah. wrote: If you're facing fully upgraded BCs with ghost backup then you've already lost that game before because that's just too expensive army to get it normally. Terran should be way ahead to go for that. That's like ultimate army. But yea, what people already said, upgrades screw BCs because they have great rate of fire but small dmg. in TvT you'll see them in late late game in TvZ you can get them in laze game if you're in good situation but they are slow so zerg can run around and screw with you + corruptors own you in TvP stalkers will have 3 armor while you'll have maybe 1 on BC. Add guardian shield = BC does 4 dmg to stalker You can't take GS into account lategame, because rarely are there sentries even involved. It's usually blink stalkers trying to get in and out. And 1/1 BC's are extremely good vs 3/3 stalkers. You should be more worried about HT than anything else. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Maybe if Carriers were playable... | ||
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DeathAngel[ro]
Romania79 Posts
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s15sLiDER
United States112 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:05 Lebzetu wrote: They are used in TvT. God knows why, since Vikings hard counter them and each terran is already massing vikings. In TvZ, if you go BC, you die to corruptor. In TvP, they go blink stalkers or void rays. And above all else, they are expensive, hard to tech to and they have to pay for themselves. You need like 4+ bases to get them anyway, and terrans cant get to 4+ bases since they dont know how to macro. Hahaha, yeah sure man. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
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HungrySC2
United States191 Posts
The DPS per supply/cost for Battlecruisers is abysmal. The only value the unit has is its high armor and decently high hp per supply. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
= Apocalypse I want to see THAT in one game. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 01 2012 04:25 HungrySC2 wrote: The battlecruiser has "High" DPS? The DPS per supply/cost for Battlecruisers is abysmal. The only value the unit has is its high armor and decently high hp per supply. considering BC's are flying units and thus can stack and all fire at once, the effective DPS they can dish out is pretty significant. | ||
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unix04
United States89 Posts
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