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Elburracho
Profile Joined December 2010
United States13 Posts
August 18 2012 21:16 GMT
#1461
SAVE THE CARRIER!!!
klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 07:37:23
August 19 2012 07:37 GMT
#1462
with all the meching terrans will do in hots who's to say the carrier doesn't have a future there?

i feel like this is premature by blizzard :\
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
August 19 2012 07:58 GMT
#1463
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
August 19 2012 08:11 GMT
#1464
On August 19 2012 04:36 whatevername wrote:
A clan mate of mine [masters] pvz is entirely built around pure air. Removing carriers basically destroys his build.


And what do you think will happen to every other build? Yeah, every build out there will get destroyed when hot comes along.
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
August 19 2012 08:25 GMT
#1465
I feel like they should increase the range of the range of the interceptors
Noruxas
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands129 Posts
August 19 2012 08:28 GMT
#1466
Guys dont you think in the current metagame, Carriers in PvZ are what battlecruisers are in TvZ? That very lategame comp. to deal with Brood Lord, Corrupter. Even Artosis said on streams few times that the protoss has got to make carriers to deal with the zerg.
I really think the situation fixed itself. As carriers seem usefull now, well at least in PvZ.
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kvmetternich
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 13:23:04
August 19 2012 13:14 GMT
#1467
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)



David Kim can say what he want and everyone can agree or not with him, but we all saw the TvP battlereport and tempest was completely useless all the time (takes ages to kill a tank and this unit cost 300/300...) and a pain in the ass to watch. Instead of buid this unit a toss player would build colossi from an additional robo . This is a FACT.
Anything that come out from stargate vs t is easilly countered by marines/vikings (oracle too. just put a couple of marines and a turret into mineral line to stay safe) ,so tempest (and oracle) will not change this situation .

IMHO
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
August 19 2012 13:27 GMT
#1468
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)


Traitor!
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Emuking
Profile Joined June 2012
United States144 Posts
August 19 2012 13:29 GMT
#1469
On August 19 2012 22:14 kvmetternich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)



David Kim can say what he want and everyone can agree or not with him, but we all saw the TvP battlereport and tempest was completely useless all the time (takes ages to kill a tank and this unit cost 300/300...) and a pain in the ass to watch. Instead of buid this unit a toss player would build colossi from an additional robo . This is a FACT.
Anything that come out from stargate vs t is easilly countered by marines/vikings (oracle too. just put a couple of marines and a turret into mineral line to stay safe) ,so tempest (and oracle) will not change this situation .

IMHO


do you know what "fact" means?
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kvmetternich
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy35 Posts
August 19 2012 13:53 GMT
#1470
On August 19 2012 22:29 Emuking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 22:14 kvmetternich wrote:
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)



David Kim can say what he want and everyone can agree or not with him, but we all saw the TvP battlereport and tempest was completely useless all the time (takes ages to kill a tank and this unit cost 300/300...) and a pain in the ass to watch. Instead of buid this unit a toss player would build colossi from an additional robo . This is a FACT.
Anything that come out from stargate vs t is easilly countered by marines/vikings (oracle too. just put a couple of marines and a turret into mineral line to stay safe) ,so tempest (and oracle) will not change this situation .

IMHO


do you know what "fact" means?



Yes.
To break a siege line colo/immo, colo/ht, colo/archons, immo/archons,immo/blink , <put what you want> are more efficients ways instead of a "stargate/fleet beacon -->tempest" way.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 14:17:36
August 19 2012 14:13 GMT
#1471
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)



Can you just post some bullet points until the article is ready?

I am really interested to hear more about what David Kim thinks about this. My gut tells me that for him it boils down to balance (and why shouldn't he, thats his job) but there are allot more factors to be weighed here than just balance.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 19 2012 14:40 GMT
#1472
On August 19 2012 23:13 Archerofaiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)



Can you just post some bullet points until the article is ready?

I am really interested to hear more about what David Kim thinks about this. My gut tells me that for him it boils down to balance (and why shouldn't he, thats his job) but there are allot more factors to be weighed here than just balance.


He is probably trolling lol
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 15:05:17
August 19 2012 14:53 GMT
#1473
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)

Uh huh ... suuuuuurrrreee

Either enlighten us with their reasoning (and it better not be "you are safer to deal damage from afar") or dont post such claims without proof.

The tempest is crap due to the razors edge line of potentially being overpowered OR being completely useless and dead weight. Too many of the design concepts for HotS are like that and Blizzard didnt even try to make the carrier useful by patching it. I mean even the BC got some fixes, but since they dont even try to do this for the carrier they have sunk to zero respect for them.

Keep the carrier in the game, fix it and kick the tempest!!!
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
August 19 2012 15:01 GMT
#1474
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)


If this wasn't pure bullshit, you would post a good reason for keeping the tempest right in your post.
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Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
August 19 2012 15:13 GMT
#1475
The carrier is seeming to slowly find its place in PvZ.
I hope it gets a build time buff and is left in HoTS. Could care less if the tempest is scraped.
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uikos
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States132 Posts
August 19 2012 15:22 GMT
#1476
What I don't get is why Blizzard can't leave both the Carrier and the Tempest in the beta and just see how it turns out ._.
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Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
August 19 2012 15:24 GMT
#1477
Seriously blizzard, leave the carrier. There is actually no reason to remove it. It's iconic. Who cares if it's useless? Which it isn't anyway.. Leaving it in the game doesn't hurt ANYONE.
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
August 19 2012 15:28 GMT
#1478
On August 20 2012 00:22 uikos wrote:
What I don't get is why Blizzard can't leave both the Carrier and the Tempest in the beta and just see how it turns out ._.

The reasoning is probably something like "we dont want to have two units with the same job (long range air assault) in the game" and since they have come up with the stupid tempest "hit the enemy from afar" unit they have to get rid of the carrier. If I turned on my sarcastic self I would predict an orbit-based Ion cannon for Terrans for the next expansion ...

+ Show Spoiler +
Ion cannon is obviously stolen from C&C ... which some guy called Dustin Browder worked on.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
K_osss
Profile Joined June 2010
United States113 Posts
August 19 2012 18:50 GMT
#1479
Would much prefer a retooled carrier than the tempest. Blizz - please put a focus on making the carrier take the place of the tempest's role if that's what you want the Protoss to have.
Picklebread
Profile Joined June 2011
808 Posts
August 19 2012 18:55 GMT
#1480
On August 19 2012 22:14 kvmetternich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 16:58 Tppz! wrote:
I had an official meeting with David Kim yesterday and he completely convinced me that the Tempest is a lot better than the Carrier. Im writing an article about everthing he said, but I gotta say its time to say goodabye to the Carrier (although he mentioned it could happen the carrier stays but not because the community wants it. its more a gameplay/design thing)



David Kim can say what he want and everyone can agree or not with him, but we all saw the TvP battlereport and tempest was completely useless all the time (takes ages to kill a tank and this unit cost 300/300...) and a pain in the ass to watch. Instead of buid this unit a toss player would build colossi from an additional robo . This is a FACT.
Anything that come out from stargate vs t is easilly countered by marines/vikings (oracle too. just put a couple of marines and a turret into mineral line to stay safe) ,so tempest (and oracle) will not change this situation .

IMHO

I think they were mostly useless because DAKIM was suiciding them and not leaving them freakin stalkers to defend from vikings.
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