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Moobla
Profile Joined May 2011
United States186 Posts
August 18 2012 01:37 GMT
#1421
Without carriers, it will be impossible to go pure air against zerg. Protoss would be the only race not able to go for pure air, which doesn't seem fair to me.

Dustin Browder thinks carriers don't have a purpose? How are battlecruisers any different? The development of HOTS was delayed to make the game more fun. Well, the carrier is way more fun than the tempest. Removing the carrier would be insulting to all the amazing special tactics that WhiteRa has pulled off with carriers. If you don't think carriers work, then you should watch some of WhiteRa's PvZ's, he still uploads replays and vod's to his site.

Heck, I even remember watching Nony play a 40 minute PvT where he went carriers and ended up winning. Not full on pure carriers, but it still worked out for him. I once won a long PvP cause I made carriers. Basically, carriers win games despite the hate that they get. Long live carriers!
"If you aren't attacking, you are probably losing." -QXC
Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
August 18 2012 01:50 GMT
#1422
we see more carriers than bc yet, carrieres are deemed purposeless...
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Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 03:03:02
August 18 2012 02:13 GMT
#1423
Watching and rewatching the battle report just makes me really angry that they're being removed. 2 years we've sat with them on our Stargate list and they've has shit all to do. The most frustrating thing is blizzard have made no effort whatsoever to buff them in any way shape or form. Literally everyone in this thread wants them kept and viable. I urge everyone in the beta to moan and complain about it. Its the only way they'll listen.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 02:29:58
August 18 2012 02:25 GMT
#1424
On August 18 2012 11:13 Tao367 wrote:
Watching and despatching the battle report just makes me really angry that they're being removed. 2 years we've sat with them on our Stargate list and they've has shit all to do. The most frustrating thing is blizzard have made no effort whatsoever to buff them in any way shape or form. Literally everyone in this thread wants them kept and viable. I urge everyone in the beta to moan and complain about it. Its the only way they'll listen.



A more constructive method would be to find us more videos of the Carrier in action.

Here is what we have so far

Recent Successful Carrier Play in PvZ
Stephano vs Oz
http://bcove.me/2nqgsgtq
MC vs Ret
http://www.twitch.tv//nasls3/b/325720125?utm_campaign=archive_embed_click&utm_source=nasl.tv
Crank vs Freaky
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls2/vod/67542/?set=2&lang=
WhiteRa vs LavaWhistler (This is pretty old)

StarDust vs roro


Recent Failed Carrier Play in PvZ
Squirtle vs Ret

Hero vs Annyung



http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 02:56:50
August 18 2012 02:49 GMT
#1425
On Augus1:25 Archerofaiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 11:13 Tao367 wrote:
Watching and despatching the battle report just makes me really angry that they're being removed. 2 years we've sat with them on our Stargate list and they've has shit all to do. The most frustrating thing is blizzard have made no effort whatsoever to buff them in any way shape or form. Literally everyone in this thread wants them kept and viable. I urge everyone in the beta to moan and complain about it. Its the only way they'll listen.



A more constructive method would be to find us more videos of the Carrier in action.

Here is what we have so far
Show nested quote +

Recent Successful Carrier Play in PvZ
Stephano vs Oz
http://bcove.me/2nqgsgtq
MC vs Ret
http://www.twitch.tv//nasls3/b/325720125?utm_campaign=archive_embed_click&utm_source=nasl.tv
Crank vs Freaky
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls2/vod/67542/?set=2&lang=
WhiteRa vs LavaWhistler (This is pretty old)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4cUyNnqg6I
StarDust vs roro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7D-RUoD6yM

Recent Failed Carrier Play in PvZ
Squirtle vs Ret
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcbtezDeTAY
Hero vs Annyung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n7X3gB3XRY




Yeah that was my frustration speaking, apologies for that. Alas, I am not aware of any games off the top of my head, but I can provide some ideas I've had to improve the carrier if a straight numbers buff wouldn't be sufficient:

1)Give interceptors a small aoe affect when shooting ground units? It will fill a role of being anti-marine and be a viable end game unit to offer extra build diversity and as an alternative (not replacement) for the colossus. Obviously range would be nerfed, as tbh it doesn't do as a siege unit what colossus doesn't already do.

2) give it extra range so it is actually a siege unit and cannot be killed with units as quickly. The problem is the carrier is countered by every race (except pvp) by a completely standard build order, be it a spire or reactored Vikings. Brood a can float off the map or in an awkward position because void rays are not common in pvz.

3) Increase base armour to 2 so marines don't tear through it.

A few random ones off the top of my head I

Immune to neural
Give it some sort of activated ability, maybe something that increases shield power temporarily or something
Some sort of (slightly weaker) hardened shields as corruptor also destroy it.

Just a few ideas.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 05:40:31
August 18 2012 05:40 GMT
#1426
Just a thought but what synergy does a Tempest have with anything?
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
August 18 2012 08:02 GMT
#1427
On August 18 2012 14:40 tehemperorer wrote:
Just a thought but what synergy does a Tempest have with anything?

That other new air unit can "scan" (reveal) enemy buildings for a short time ... which basically lets you run in and reveal a building and then fire away from a safe distance for a few seconds. In other words: totally stupid and too complicated for pros as a viable tactic and the dps for Tempests sucks anyways (for 6 supply).
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
HelioSeven
Profile Joined February 2012
United States193 Posts
August 18 2012 10:03 GMT
#1428
On August 18 2012 11:49 Tao367 wrote:
1)Give interceptors a small aoe affect when shooting ground units? It will fill a role of being anti-marine and be a viable end game unit to offer extra build diversity and as an alternative (not replacement) for the colossus. Obviously range would be nerfed, as tbh it doesn't do as a siege unit what colossus doesn't already do.

2) give it extra range so it is actually a siege unit and cannot be killed with units as quickly. The problem is the carrier is countered by every race (except pvp) by a completely standard build order, be it a spire or reactored Vikings. Brood a can float off the map or in an awkward position because void rays are not common in pvz.

3) Increase base armour to 2 so marines don't tear through it.


1) The whole point of carriers is that they don't have AoE. All other T3 Protoss units have AoE (except DTs, for obvious reasons), carriers trade AoE for just pure damage output.

2) Carriers are countered by stalkers in PvP. Carrier/immortal builds are possible, but they're still pretty fringe in terms of current meta-game. At any rate, carriers just need interceptor re-targeting, the current extended range of 14 is plenty.

3) Carriers already have 2 base armor.
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 10:06:54
August 18 2012 10:03 GMT
#1429
MC vs Kas ... and MC is building early Carriers ... RIGHT NOW!

... and MC won.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
SCMothership
Profile Joined November 2010
United States187 Posts
August 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#1430
Lol, knew i had to come here and talk about mc being the beacon of hope for the carrier
stipe145
Profile Joined December 2010
764 Posts
August 18 2012 10:09 GMT
#1431
MC leading the charge to save Carriers!
QNdie
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland210 Posts
August 18 2012 10:10 GMT
#1432
Damn... MC showing why carriers should stay in this game
HelioSeven
Profile Joined February 2012
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 10:11:40
August 18 2012 10:11 GMT
#1433
I liked MC's post game comment: "carriers so imba." And there you have it, folks.
If I smite you, have you been smitten?
FSKi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States901 Posts
August 18 2012 10:11 GMT
#1434
--- Nuked ---
Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
August 18 2012 10:12 GMT
#1435
On August 18 2012 19:09 stipe145 wrote:
MC leading the charge to save Carriers!


Where would the sad zealot be without it's president?
The world is ending what should we do about it?
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
August 18 2012 10:12 GMT
#1436
Does someone has noted the build order for this two base carrier strat?
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
August 18 2012 10:20 GMT
#1437
On August 18 2012 19:12 fezvez wrote:
Does someone has noted the build order for this two base carrier strat?


IEM releases replays of all the games, so look for it on their website later.
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DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
August 18 2012 10:23 GMT
#1438
On August 18 2012 19:12 fezvez wrote:
Does someone has noted the build order for this two base carrier strat?


1 gate FE into 3 gates, stargate, beacon, stargate
make ~6-8 sentries to defend, add 3-4 gates, hope that the terran don't do some sort of timing
push out with 4 carriers and gate units while reinforcing with mostly stalkers

I guess...
uLysSeS1
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany210 Posts
August 18 2012 10:23 GMT
#1439
On August 18 2012 19:20 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 19:12 fezvez wrote:
Does someone has noted the build order for this two base carrier strat?


IEM releases replays of all the games, so look for it on their website later.


later? it was up the second the game ended take note other tournaments!

http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season7/cologne/sc2/playoffs/download/26348439/
derp.
Saat
Profile Joined August 2012
France65 Posts
August 18 2012 10:32 GMT
#1440
MC may save the carriers !
Gogo MC, stomp the IEM thanks to carriers ! Bli² has to keep them !
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