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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
January 21 2012 02:16 GMT
#321
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...

A time to live.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 21 2012 02:16 GMT
#322
On January 21 2012 11:02 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
Allow you to blacklist certain players? Right, then some scrub blacklists people better than him. Great ladder then


Well now that I think about it, ladder's a bit of a joke anyways. No global ranking, hidden losses and all sorts of problems with early season GM. A limited form of blacklisting wouldn't break things as much they already are...


those are all arbitrary, and unrelated to it's function.

ladder's first and foremost purpose is: match players who are at your skill level and try and bring you down to 50% w/l.

and it's good at it.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
January 21 2012 02:18 GMT
#323
On January 21 2012 09:50 halfies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 09:12 TheTurk wrote:
How can Blizzard possibly be so obtuse? Do they not understand that user streams are beneficial to Blizzard as well as the streamers? The possibility of stream sniping without ramifications is obviously going to drive players away from streaming. Could you imagine a world without streams? The volume of SC2 content on the web would drop so alarmingly. Honestly, how do we as SC2 enthusiasts get our SC2 content?

1) Big Tourneys
Stuff like MLG, IEM, HSC, etc. These only come around once every few months and generally take 3-5 days, some of the smaller ones being monthly at best. GSL of course has a slightly different format, but the premise is close enough to clump together with the others. These are nice, but obviously most people are only going to watch through the VOD's once before they're stale. (That's just how this game works.) Too few and far between. Not to mention that watching players in big tourneys is much different than watching them ladder, for many reasons.

2) Showmatch/Weekly Event
These, like the big tourneys, are generally sponsored heavily. Stuff that IPL puts out, Korean Weekly, occasional Twitch.tv stuff, etc. The fine production value and quality, high level gameplay, and pro casting feeds us interesting material. A little less sporadic, but the difference in strats and distinction between competitive vs ladder play is still there.

3) Third-Party Content
Day[9] comes to mind, among others. Stuff that isn't really commercial or professionally produced all count. These are adequate and quite varied sources of content that one could probably find fresh every day or two.

But none of these compare in volume or audience benefit to:

4) Streamers
Every minute of every day, from somewhere in the world there are at least a dozen pros streaming on one of a dozen host sites. This is the Bread and Butter to the average SC2 goer. Some of us have it on 24/7. It's where we go to learn, it's where we go for entertainment, and it's where we go to kill time with something we love. It's the largest source of content in terms of volume, and that by an incredibly huge margin. If something like stream sniping disrupts this content, not volumetrically but in terms of pissing off the streamer or ruining matches, etc, that's something Blizzard should have a problem with.

That huge rant aside, I also question Blizzards knowledge of what "stream sniping" actually is. There's no problem with attempting to play against a pro on the ladder by timing queues correctly. The problem lies in watching the stream to gain an unfair advantage and insight into the player's moves, strategies, and other information specific to that game. There's no reason that Blizzard should be ok with that, let alone discouraging players to stream as a solution.

are you a moron? stream sniping stops almost no streams, and the good players just roll straight over deezer and combatEX even when they are cheating. all it does is teach mediocre but famous streamers how to play vs strong cheese.
and blizzard banning people because they are annoying is just retarded, im pretty sure there would be like 5 players on battlenet. dragon and cella have pissed off loads of people in game with silly strats, but no one clamours for them to be banned, even though using someone elses account to play in lower leagues is clearly in breach of the EULA.
blizzard aren't discouraging players from streaming, all they are saying is that if you give your opponent an opportunity to gain an advantage, dont be surprised if they take it. if you cant understand their veiwpoint, and why they cant do shit to stop it, then its not even worth my time to post this, but whatever, its written now.


I guess you've never noticed oGsFin losing to Swoozy... MULTIPLE TIMES.
A time to live.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
January 21 2012 03:47 GMT
#324
On January 21 2012 11:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...


Yeh, they only want our money. They don't give a shit about anything else.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
BoggieMan
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
520 Posts
January 21 2012 03:55 GMT
#325
why does blizzard even release a statement on this, they cannot do anything about this.
twitch tv and other stream providers should just make it possible to have long delays on streams (as in around 5 minutes), allowing players to stream safely without being sniped if they want to. (this will not eliminate stream sniping, but limiting what information people will get from doing it.)
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
January 21 2012 04:01 GMT
#326
Blizzard honestly can't do anything about it anyway.
if you can believe you can concieve
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
January 21 2012 04:03 GMT
#327
On January 21 2012 11:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...


No one asked people to stream games nor make them public in anyway, therefore streamers are just exposing themselves to those people called "stream-cheaters".

Blizzard makes the games and balances it.
Complaining to Blizzard that people are streamcheating is the same as complaining to Blizzard that sc2gears doesn't do the proper worker count. It's just a third party program that is not prohibited by Blizzard.

It's the player's responsibility to make sure that people don't snipe or streamcheat them, which is easily solved by making overlays to not show when they are searching a game or hide the game screen while playing against a streamcheater.

I know those kind of things are really annoying and all, but you shouldn't blame Blizzard.
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Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
January 21 2012 04:03 GMT
#328
On January 21 2012 11:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...


To be perfectly honest, how is it Blizzard's problem? How did Blizzard end up being the bad guy in this situation?

I don't really know why people expect Blizzard to fix this, streaming is an awesome service done by players and others, and yeah, there are some real d-bags out there who ruin the experience for the player and the viewers, but that's the reality of it. The entire nature of the service is that you get to watch someone live.

I'd be open to suggestions of solutions that Blizzard could implement, but the ones I've seen so far don't really cut it imo. For example, the "blacklisting" or "downvoting" of players would be cool, yeah, but it would lead to abuse of the system whereby people just block players they don't want to vs or lose to regularly (which is probably a big deal in high gm where the targeted streamers mostly are).

Even if there were a way to prevent the abuse of the above idea, how does this system work, does everyone get these rights or does Blizzard have to grant them separately? Neither are good options in my opinion, it would be too cumbersome and maybe even unfair to grant rights to people because they are being harassed via stream (although this sounds a bit more reasonable after I type it).

Give people a limited number of "blocks" or "downvotes"? What if there are more than x amount of people abusing a streamer? Give them more "downvotes"? Then that just leads back to my previous paragraph.

So yeah, to sum up, I personally don't believe this is Blizzard's problem at all, it's just a shame that the nature of a great service is that it can be abused by idiots.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 21 2012 04:08 GMT
#329
On January 21 2012 11:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...


Wtf do you expect? It's a fair stance by blizzard.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
January 21 2012 04:11 GMT
#330
On January 21 2012 11:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...


1. Anyone can be logical, not just business majors.
2. What's wrong with employing logic? Seems to me that you're on the wrong side here.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 21 2012 04:16 GMT
#331
I've never watched a stream, but one thing is genuinely puzzling me: if pro streamers are afraid of stream sniping then surely they can just play standard and roll over a random second rate? Even a maphack won't help you win against a player playing a standard build with superior mechanics, gamesense, strategy, everything.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
January 21 2012 04:18 GMT
#332
On January 21 2012 11:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...


This is terribly ignorant, you dont need to be a business major or narrow-minded by any means to understand their stance on this even without them releasing any statements about it.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
January 21 2012 04:43 GMT
#333
They really don't have a way to enforce it, and by streaming, players are allowing anyone to watch their streams. The only thing that can stop stream sniping is integrity of the players themselves. I'm glad that Blizzard made a response explaining why they can't deal with it.

Personally I think the much bigger problem is hacking, and Blizzard can actually deal with that problem. They're doing alright, although they could do much better imo. Personally I wouldn't give a care about things that don't affect gameplay, like unlocking achievements, but doing things like maphacking is just f'd up.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 04:45:51
January 21 2012 04:44 GMT
#334
On January 21 2012 11:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:
"We don't want to protect our customers or our product. Because we never said we would in this particular loophole case.

So shut up and stop emailing us, retards"

Thank you, Blizzard!

God, all the "business majors" fighting blindly from the "logical" standpoint really need to learn to think from more than ONE perspective...


Since when is it their responsibility to protect streamers of problems they cause themselves by streaming?
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
January 21 2012 04:45 GMT
#335
I dont see how anybody can fault blizzard here, there is nothing they can do to fix it. It is in the hands of the streamers and the stream programs. You should be mailing the stream websites/program authors about adding in a delay to the streams.
boaecho
Profile Joined December 2009
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 05:06:35
January 21 2012 05:02 GMT
#336
What people need to do is buy new accounts and censor all the names and information on their account . Blizzard should also allow people to hide game history so they can't check the opponents for the match history with the censored streamer. There is no reason for so much transparency by Blizzard. Hell...even if they REALLY want transparency, they can provide exception for streamers of notable reputation since they seem like they kind of want to fix it. THERE IS A FIX but Blizz is not doing it.
enzymezero
Profile Joined March 2010
United States65 Posts
January 21 2012 05:08 GMT
#337
Can't you game/match fix the system by stream sniping? If you for example, snipe someone that you know you can beat, and win continiously? If that is the case, isn't that considered cheating?
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
January 21 2012 05:16 GMT
#338
I don't get why people don't just play customs with each other/friends if someone is continuously stream sniping
DashedHopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada414 Posts
January 21 2012 05:55 GMT
#339
I sortive agree with blizzard's statement, the streamers are at risk for allowing their content to be able to be viewed so accessible. If they really need to they can either black out their screen or just don't stream at all if its that much of a problem.
imyzhang
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada809 Posts
January 21 2012 06:12 GMT
#340
reasonable response from blizzard. I don't know what else there to say other than that
bleh
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