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On January 21 2012 05:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:it's good to see a response though what worries me though is that stream sniping does not necessarily include stream cheating... perhaps that moderator is just uninformed aka not the best representative of blizzard's opinion?
anyway I can understand their reasoning. I wish something could be done though  Hm well you could still stream + play custom practice games.
or maybe blizzard as a whole is totally uninformed
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People are upset that Blizzard doesn't enforce rules on streaming? What do you expect them to do? They do not control the streaming programs people use. Go jab some pitchforks into something that isn't this stupid.
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My first thought after reading this was duh, then I wondered why they only mentioned stream sniping.
As far as I knew though neither sniping nor cheating are in blizzard's realm of jurisdiction, better to just put a delay on your stream, if that's possible, if you don't there is no other way to deal with it besides not streaming.
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Its not blizzards job to regulate streams. On the other hand a ignore function would fix everything...
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On January 21 2012 05:15 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:09 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 05:07 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 05:00 SnowSC2 wrote:On January 21 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:56 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 04:55 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:49 corpuscle wrote:On January 21 2012 04:44 Klondikebar wrote:
You could use those. But how about the VOD's where the matchmaker "randomly" matches a pro against a player 4 and 5 times in a row? Like I said, I don't expect them to catch someone who just stream snipes once...and I'm not really sure I care about someone who stream snipes once. But when Deezer gets matched up against Spanishiwa 6 times in a row it should be pretty easy to say "I think Deezer is stream sniping."
If neither player reports the other, why would there be a problem? I've seen players get repeat-matched too, and usually the players know each other and go "lol matchmaking is hilarious" and go on with their day. edit: also I don't think they should check into it every time someone gets reported for sniping, but if you have like 10-20 instances of a single player getting reported for it, and there's evidence, that should raise red flags. I edited in a solution. Grand Master players get a "report sniping" option. Blizzard only needs to check match history. What does this prove? That they played games against each other in a row? Who's fault is that? It would have to be both players as they both pressed the "find match" button. You obviously wouldn't get banned for being matched twice in a row. But bad stream snipers will get matched against a player 5 or 6 times in a row...honestly, did you read my post? people have played 6 matches in a row against the same person just by coincidence many times before.... Were they grandmaster? Would they streaming at the time? Would they have reported the other player? Are you just making that up? Are you saying people who aren't in GM don't deserve this 'right' you are trying to impose? You're saying that it is fine that anyone below GM can be stream sniped. I don't think segregation is the right way to go. Also, GM players are most likely to be matched with the same person as there is a smaller pool of players in their' 'skill gap' (just like bottom bronze players). That's exactly what I'm saying. What non-grandmaster player derives a significant amount of income from streaming? The whole point of the policy is to make "professional gamer" a viable career between tournaments. If you're not a professional gamer, the policy isn't designed for you. And I'm also quite certain that professional players are intelligent and mature enough to only report when they truly believe it''s stream sniping. They have to click that report button before we even start talking about Blizzard. You're criteria for "professional" is ladder rank? I'm sorry but I'm going to stop discussing this tangent you introduced as it is becoming more non-sequitur as you continue.
im pretty sure that sniping isnt against the rules. and there is no reason it should be. as blizzard say, if you want to give someone else the opportunity to cheat vs you then its entirely your fault when it happens.
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On January 21 2012 06:43 Detwiler wrote:
Its not blizzards job to regulate streams. On the other hand a ignore function would fix everything...
if you could set players to ignore and then not have to play them it would be retarded, especially at GM level, where there is a very small pool of players you are likely to play vs. you could just ignore the people better than you, and then never lose a game.
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Their argument is fine, there's nothing they can do really. If people have that big of a problem with it then they're just going to have to stop streaming. I don't even understand how some people can try to hold Blizzard responsible for it.
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It's not Blizzard's job to police the rampant teenage drama that infests the community. To quote Mani on the Selendiis thread, "Do you guys even have time to play the game?"
If you choose to stream, that's not Blizzard's problem. There's really nothing they can do that won't open a can of worms. The business reason for them to do anything is pretty much nil. There's no valid reason to hold Blizzard responsible for it.
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On January 21 2012 06:28 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:00 JinDesu wrote:
Why are people expecting Blizzard to do something that the streaming service should be responsible for?
"Hey Apple, can you fix my bose earphones that I am using with your iPod? No? Fuck you guys, it's your fucking ipod." if it was my "fucking ipod" then they wouldn't have cared before that people jailbroke it.
You know, Blizzard does care if you try to hack in a way that affects their game files. So.... it's not too different.
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As it has been said before, having 2 players not being able to play 2 consecutive games against each other is so stupidly simple. They don't even try...
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On January 21 2012 06:24 striderxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:56 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
The problem I have with this is in cases when combatEZ and deezer prevent a progamer from practicing because they stream snipe them so much (others players do it too but none nearly so well-known). They're trying to make a living, especially in the case of destiny, where viewer numbers matter(ed?) while the sniper is trying to be a nuisance. There's a huge difference.
Actually, I really dislike this decision by blizzard
There is no difference between stream sniping and maphacking. It's not the streamer's fault that hes streaming, its the maphackers/snipers fault for looking at the stream. They can choose whether or not to do so, and only affect themselves. If the streamer decides to delay or shut off the stream, then he loses hundreds or thousands of viewers.
Demuslim handles this very well, he just makes fun of the sniper and mercilessly beats him game after game while giving him tips. When he was losing games, he put the camera on his face and every few minutes would talk about how hes facing combatEZ and trashing him, and he made us have a good time regardless. dude, ladder is NOT practicing for pro's. they do this on the side in private games. streaming ladder games is just purely for making money and building a fan base. like blizzard said, if you expose yourself steeaming live, then take the consequences of it.
No, every game they play is practice. They just aren't going to be as likely to give away key builds etc. or work on specific things on streams.
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On January 21 2012 07:03 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:28 zhurai wrote:On January 21 2012 06:00 JinDesu wrote:
Why are people expecting Blizzard to do something that the streaming service should be responsible for?
"Hey Apple, can you fix my bose earphones that I am using with your iPod? No? Fuck you guys, it's your fucking ipod." if it was my "fucking ipod" then they wouldn't have cared before that people jailbroke it. You know, Blizzard does care if you try to hack in a way that affects their game files. So.... it's not too different.
I wasn't comparing it with Blizzard.
I was saying the "No? Fuck you guys, it's your fucking ipod." response "Apple" will give if you wanted to change your ipod.
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On January 21 2012 06:52 Grobyc wrote:
Their argument is fine, there's nothing they can do really. If people have that big of a problem with it then they're just going to have to stop streaming. I don't even understand how some people can try to hold Blizzard responsible for it.
Everything that is 'wrong' with SC2 is Blizzard's fault. I'm surprised that no one is blaming the current TSL/Coach Lee fiasco on Blizzard as well
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Not surprised, there's really nothing they can do about it..
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Actually it's not Blizzard's business to take care of stream cheating. It's not their problem at all.
It's players/streamers problem and they must take care of it by themselves.
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seriously arguing over terminology is stupid.
The simple fact is, if you're streaming, you're opening yourself up to having someone SNIPE or CHEAT you, because YOU are choosing to put yourself out there.
I love streamers, and I feel for them, but blaming blizzard for not enforcing this is silly. I hope there can be a solution to this, but it's not going to be within Blizzards jurisdiction to fix this, they can't control who/when people stream, or how they do it, they do it of their own recourse, not something blizz enforces. They let streamers do it, and make money off of it, something they don't necessarily HAVE to do, but they don't interfere in the good, means they don't interfere in the bad either. They just can't. And there's no hard evidence of proving it without using hearsay and 3rd party products.
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Blizzard cant do anything about streamsniping obviously
their arguments is just very professional and neutral |+1 blizz 
who does that anyway? just play on EU server i never saw deezer or combatex there and noone streamsnipes into EU gm afaik
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I don't know exactly how easy it is to stream snipe at the highest level (say top 200), but can't a player just set the stream to play 2-3 commercials and search at some random point when the commericials are playing? Or is this not enough time?
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On January 21 2012 08:19 Camdeon wrote:
I don't know exactly how easy it is to stream snipe at the highest level (say top 200), but can't a player just set the stream to play 2-3 commercials and search at some random point when the commericials are playing? Or is this not enough time?
i think people just start crying if they dont see the whole game. also, the higher you get in mmr, the wider the window to snipe i think, as there are less people you will be matched with.
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On January 21 2012 06:43 Detwiler wrote:
Its not blizzards job to regulate streams. On the other hand a ignore function would fix everything...
how would an ignore feature fix anything?
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