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On January 21 2012 05:09 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:07 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 05:00 SnowSC2 wrote:On January 21 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:56 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 04:55 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:49 corpuscle wrote:On January 21 2012 04:44 Klondikebar wrote:
You could use those. But how about the VOD's where the matchmaker "randomly" matches a pro against a player 4 and 5 times in a row? Like I said, I don't expect them to catch someone who just stream snipes once...and I'm not really sure I care about someone who stream snipes once. But when Deezer gets matched up against Spanishiwa 6 times in a row it should be pretty easy to say "I think Deezer is stream sniping."
If neither player reports the other, why would there be a problem? I've seen players get repeat-matched too, and usually the players know each other and go "lol matchmaking is hilarious" and go on with their day. edit: also I don't think they should check into it every time someone gets reported for sniping, but if you have like 10-20 instances of a single player getting reported for it, and there's evidence, that should raise red flags. I edited in a solution. Grand Master players get a "report sniping" option. Blizzard only needs to check match history. What does this prove? That they played games against each other in a row? Who's fault is that? It would have to be both players as they both pressed the "find match" button. You obviously wouldn't get banned for being matched twice in a row. But bad stream snipers will get matched against a player 5 or 6 times in a row...honestly, did you read my post? people have played 6 matches in a row against the same person just by coincidence many times before.... Were they grandmaster? Would they streaming at the time? Would they have reported the other player? Are you just making that up? Are you saying people who aren't in GM don't deserve this 'right' you are trying to impose? You're saying that it is fine that anyone below GM can be stream sniped. I don't think segregation is the right way to go. Also, GM players are most likely to be matched with the same person as there is a smaller pool of players in their' 'skill gap' (just like bottom bronze players). That's exactly what I'm saying. What non-grandmaster player derives a significant amount of income from streaming? The whole point of the policy is to make "professional gamer" a viable career between tournaments. If you're not a professional gamer, the policy isn't designed for you. And I'm also quite certain that professional players are intelligent and mature enough to only report when they truly believe it''s stream sniping. They have to click that report button before we even start talking about Blizzard.
You're criteria for "professional" is ladder rank? I'm sorry but I'm going to stop discussing this tangent you introduced as it is becoming more non-sequitur as you continue.
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On January 21 2012 05:09 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:07 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 05:00 SnowSC2 wrote:On January 21 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:56 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 04:55 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:49 corpuscle wrote:On January 21 2012 04:44 Klondikebar wrote:
You could use those. But how about the VOD's where the matchmaker "randomly" matches a pro against a player 4 and 5 times in a row? Like I said, I don't expect them to catch someone who just stream snipes once...and I'm not really sure I care about someone who stream snipes once. But when Deezer gets matched up against Spanishiwa 6 times in a row it should be pretty easy to say "I think Deezer is stream sniping."
If neither player reports the other, why would there be a problem? I've seen players get repeat-matched too, and usually the players know each other and go "lol matchmaking is hilarious" and go on with their day. edit: also I don't think they should check into it every time someone gets reported for sniping, but if you have like 10-20 instances of a single player getting reported for it, and there's evidence, that should raise red flags. I edited in a solution. Grand Master players get a "report sniping" option. Blizzard only needs to check match history. What does this prove? That they played games against each other in a row? Who's fault is that? It would have to be both players as they both pressed the "find match" button. You obviously wouldn't get banned for being matched twice in a row. But bad stream snipers will get matched against a player 5 or 6 times in a row...honestly, did you read my post? people have played 6 matches in a row against the same person just by coincidence many times before.... Were they grandmaster? Would they streaming at the time? Would they have reported the other player? Are you just making that up? Are you saying people who aren't in GM don't deserve this 'right' you are trying to impose? You're saying that it is fine that anyone below GM can be stream sniped. I don't think segregation is the right way to go. Also, GM players are most likely to be matched with the same person as there is a smaller pool of players in their' 'skill gap' (just like bottom bronze players). That's exactly what I'm saying. What non-grandmaster player derives a significant amount of income from streaming? The whole point of the policy is to make "professional gamer" a viable career between tournaments. If you're not a professional gamer, the policy isn't designed for you. And I'm also quite certain that professional players are intelligent and mature enough to only report when they truly believe it''s stream sniping. They have to click that report button before we even start talking about Blizzard.
Everyone can call themselves a pro,you can be bronze league streamer and call yourself a pro.
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it's good to see a response though
what worries me though is that stream sniping does not necessarily include stream cheating... perhaps that moderator is just uninformed aka not the best representative of blizzard's opinion?
anyway I can understand their reasoning. I wish something could be done though  Hm well you could still stream + play custom practice games.
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On January 21 2012 05:09 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:07 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 05:00 SnowSC2 wrote:On January 21 2012 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:56 willoc wrote:On January 21 2012 04:55 Klondikebar wrote:On January 21 2012 04:49 corpuscle wrote:On January 21 2012 04:44 Klondikebar wrote:
You could use those. But how about the VOD's where the matchmaker "randomly" matches a pro against a player 4 and 5 times in a row? Like I said, I don't expect them to catch someone who just stream snipes once...and I'm not really sure I care about someone who stream snipes once. But when Deezer gets matched up against Spanishiwa 6 times in a row it should be pretty easy to say "I think Deezer is stream sniping."
If neither player reports the other, why would there be a problem? I've seen players get repeat-matched too, and usually the players know each other and go "lol matchmaking is hilarious" and go on with their day. edit: also I don't think they should check into it every time someone gets reported for sniping, but if you have like 10-20 instances of a single player getting reported for it, and there's evidence, that should raise red flags. I edited in a solution. Grand Master players get a "report sniping" option. Blizzard only needs to check match history. What does this prove? That they played games against each other in a row? Who's fault is that? It would have to be both players as they both pressed the "find match" button. You obviously wouldn't get banned for being matched twice in a row. But bad stream snipers will get matched against a player 5 or 6 times in a row...honestly, did you read my post? people have played 6 matches in a row against the same person just by coincidence many times before.... Were they grandmaster? Would they streaming at the time? Would they have reported the other player? Are you just making that up? Are you saying people who aren't in GM don't deserve this 'right' you are trying to impose? You're saying that it is fine that anyone below GM can be stream sniped. I don't think segregation is the right way to go. Also, GM players are most likely to be matched with the same person as there is a smaller pool of players in their' 'skill gap' (just like bottom bronze players). That's exactly what I'm saying. What non-grandmaster player derives a significant amount of income from streaming? The whole point of the policy is to make "professional gamer" a viable career between tournaments. If you're not a professional gamer, the policy isn't designed for you. And I'm also quite certain that professional players are intelligent and mature enough to only report when they truly believe it''s stream sniping. They have to click that report button before we even start talking about Blizzard.
Blizzard isnt going to enforce banning people for exploiting a risk thats completely exterior to SC2 that the streamer exposes himself to, thats just how things are and how they should probably be expected to be.
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WTF.
Firefox is a third party program you are using to gain an advantage over your opponent. This is bullcrap, it COMPLETELY breaks the ToS or ToCc W/e the fuck.
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I personally really enjoy the multi-que. I'd say 2 games happens nearly weekly and 3 games are rarer, but it's fun to face the same opponent multiple times on the ladder. A cap of 3 games max per day or even per 8 hours would be very reasonable though to help prevent the massive stream sniping by people like deezer and combatex.
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On January 21 2012 05:19 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
I personally really enjoy the multi-que. I'd say 2 games happens nearly weekly and 3 games are rarer, but it's fun to face the same opponent multiple times on the ladder. A cap of 3 games max per day or even per 8 hours would be very reasonable though to help prevent the massive stream sniping by people like deezer and combatex.
CombatEX doesn't really stream snipe anymore, its mostly Deezer and he has died down quite a bit for some reason.
This whole thing isn't that big a deal, once I think about it.
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So Blizz doesn't want to enforce any widespread rules about stream sniping/cheating. The least they could do is ban people like Deezer.
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On January 21 2012 05:19 Lebzetu wrote:
WTF.
Firefox is a third party program you are using to gain an advantage over your opponent. This is bullcrap, it COMPLETELY breaks the ToS or ToCc W/e the fuck.
But is doesnt interfere with sc2. Streaming software doesn't either, its capturing your screen. What your using to gain an advantage to gain control over your opponent is a stream of their desktop that they CHOOSE to show. Even if they were to consider this as a third party program to cheat, its the fact they the streamer exposes him self in this manner which as they said is outside of their scope. It would be like this with any large gaming company in a similar situation.
id also like to point out i do actually think it is retarded how much shit some of these people get away with in terms of offenses that are indeed within their "scope".
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Blizzard can barely even keep up with regular hackers. I doubt that they will ever be arsed into taking care of stream snipers/cheaters.
Besides, didn't we already know Blizzard's position on this? It's been out there for a while.
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Completely reasonable response by Blizzard. If anything, a stream provider (twitch, own3d) should be the one to take action, since offering an accessible + reliable way to time delay by 5 minutes would make them the top choice of laddering streamers.
I expect this to happen in the not too distant future
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On January 21 2012 05:22 dANiELcanuck wrote:
So Blizz doesn't want to enforce any widespread rules about stream sniping/cheating. The least they could do is ban people like Deezer.
I think it's not that they don't want to, but first of all people like Deezer are not breaking ToS or is doing anything illegal. Streamers are willingly providing a stream of their actions in the game. Is it deplorable? Yes. Does it break any rules? No. And as blizzard have said, it will be extremely hard to enforce if they tried to somehow come up with the system that enforces it that knows FOR SURE the other player is stream sniping (maybe they've just got awesome starsense)
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WE HATE GOVERNMENT REGULATION
WHY DOESNT BLIZZARD CENSOR THE GAME
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Pick one, people. they would have to do SO MUCH to stop stream sniping or stream cheating.
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A++ response by blizzard. Couldn't agree more. They should not be intervening in this. It's not their responsibility to moderate this, nor is it their place.
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Why are people expecting Blizzard to do something that the streaming service should be responsible for?
"Hey Apple, can you fix my bose earphones that I am using with your iPod? No? Fuck you guys, it's your fucking ipod."
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On January 21 2012 05:27 Reason.SC2 wrote:
Completely reasonable response by Blizzard. If anything, a stream provider (twitch, own3d) should be the one to take action, since offering an accessible + reliable way to time delay by 5 minutes would make them the top choice of laddering streamers.
I expect this to happen in the not too distant future
to be honest i don't even know why people are arguing in this thread about stream sniping, you can delay in twitch.tv if you have partner (afaik you have to request it currently but it will be a feature soon) and it's already a part of own3d.
don't want to get sniped?
delay stream.
that simple.
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To be honest they should ban the ones that make it obvious. Aka; Deezer ect.
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On January 20 2012 13:56 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
The problem I have with this is in cases when combatEZ and deezer prevent a progamer from practicing because they stream snipe them so much (others players do it too but none nearly so well-known). They're trying to make a living, especially in the case of destiny, where viewer numbers matter(ed?) while the sniper is trying to be a nuisance. There's a huge difference.
Actually, I really dislike this decision by blizzard
There is no difference between stream sniping and maphacking. It's not the streamer's fault that hes streaming, its the maphackers/snipers fault for looking at the stream. They can choose whether or not to do so, and only affect themselves. If the streamer decides to delay or shut off the stream, then he loses hundreds or thousands of viewers.
Demuslim handles this very well, he just makes fun of the sniper and mercilessly beats him game after game while giving him tips. When he was losing games, he put the camera on his face and every few minutes would talk about how hes facing combatEZ and trashing him, and he made us have a good time regardless.
dude, ladder is NOT practicing for pro's. they do this on the side in private games. streaming ladder games is just purely for making money and building a fan base. like blizzard said, if you expose yourself steeaming live, then take the consequences of it.
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On January 21 2012 06:00 JinDesu wrote:
Why are people expecting Blizzard to do something that the streaming service should be responsible for?
"Hey Apple, can you fix my bose earphones that I am using with your iPod? No? Fuck you guys, it's your fucking ipod."
if it was my "fucking ipod" then they wouldn't have cared before that people jailbroke it.
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What people expect them to do?. They can't do anything it's the player decision to make their game public for a few coins, then deal with it and shut up, it's your problem.
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