EPTBlizzard on Stream Sniping. - Page 10
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
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foxmulder_ms
United States140 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On January 20 2012 13:53 hytonight wrote: its clearly easy and it clearly doesnt work. not suprised blizz doesnt really care.....but dont they agree that some people turn it into harassment? (deezer) It works, but it has downsides. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
What is it? | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
There is a reason why the only tournaments streamed live that are cheat free are IEM/MLG/GSL...and others like that where the players are in the booth and not able to watch the stream Streamers may be pissed at "GOT STREAM CHEATED RAWR!" but its their fault for streaming the games...Idra against combatex just leaves...if he is streaming...doesn't matter....AT ALL...you get mad b/c you give your opponent the opportunity to cheat... | ||
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
It is only in a non-writen / free view map hack type of way. It is also very obvious when someone is stream sniping to anyone who knows anything about the game. Blind counters to a hidden third, or whatever it might be. Knowing exactly where and when your opponent is transfering workers. What unit composition they have (with out scouting). It would be, interesting to see if blizzard would actually consider stream sniping harassment even if they players are giving an advantage to another and while we all agree it is stupid to do. (Save some well known players, who do it for the lulz I suppose and nothing against them, they are decent players) It is still foolish to do. And steam sniping, IS Queing up to match vs someone (hopefully) but why close the stream if you have a second monitor to have going, to look over at now and then to see just what they are doing? C'mon. Anyway, thank you Blizz for the clarification on what you view as punishable, given we understand you can't do everything right with SC2.........(depending on your look at it? nothing at all) | ||
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Hydrox911
United Kingdom261 Posts
Yes its annoying but one of those things that you can't really try and make illegal. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
Stream sniping is finding a match simultaneously with a player to have a greater chance of playing that player. --While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we’d like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. It's your choice to allow poor sportsmanship under current policies. This is an empty statement. --In fact, we cannot enforce any ‘fair play’ policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. There's nothing about a player doing something that enables their opponent to cheat that prevents you from acting. --If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they’re making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. This is irrelevant because of the difference between in-game information and out-of-game information. --Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. Inability to perfectly enforce a rule has never been a legitimate reason to not create a rule that needs to be enforced. --It goes far beyond the scope of what we’re able to enforce. If you can't do it, then give power to people who can. There are trustworthy and knowledgeable people in the community that you could consult for free. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
/shrug. | ||
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Hydrox911
United Kingdom261 Posts
Pretty much that if you take the risk to stream, things like this can happening. You give a person the opportunity to cheat which is outside of misusing the program itself, you can't really expect blizzard to take action. What should be done is getting xsplit to create some type of delay within streams that completely undoes this problem. Also no offense but this is a problem for the smallest percentage of players and much more things that blizzard could be doing. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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how
United States538 Posts
On January 21 2012 01:59 Liquid`Tyler wrote: --We’ve continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). Stream sniping is finding a match simultaneously with a player to have a greater chance of playing that player. --While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we’d like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. It's your choice to allow poor sportsmanship under current policies. This is an empty statement. --In fact, we cannot enforce any ‘fair play’ policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. There's nothing about a player doing something that enables their opponent to cheat that prevents you from acting. --If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they’re making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. This is irrelevant because of the difference between in-game information and out-of-game information. --Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. Inability to perfectly enforce a rule has never been a legitimate reason to not create a rule that needs to be enforced. --It goes far beyond the scope of what we’re able to enforce. If you can't do it, then give power to people who can. There are trustworthy and knowledgeable people in the community that you could consult for free. In the most likely misquoted words of Artosis "I have always said Tyler was smart." | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 21 2012 01:59 Liquid`Tyler wrote: --We’ve continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). Stream sniping is finding a match simultaneously with a player to have a greater chance of playing that player. --While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we’d like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. It's your choice to allow poor sportsmanship under current policies. This is an empty statement. --In fact, we cannot enforce any ‘fair play’ policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. There's nothing about a player doing something that enables their opponent to cheat that prevents you from acting. --If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they’re making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. This is irrelevant because of the difference between in-game information and out-of-game information. --Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. Inability to perfectly enforce a rule has never been a legitimate reason to not create a rule that needs to be enforced. --It goes far beyond the scope of what we’re able to enforce. If you can't do it, then give power to people who can. There are trustworthy and knowledgeable people in the community that you could consult for free. What do you suggest? Obviously no one who frequently watches player streams like seeing assholes like Deezer again and again. Just about everyone who streams agree something should be done, but no one has any concrete ideas except Blizz needs to fix this shit. | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On January 21 2012 01:59 Liquid`Tyler wrote: --In fact, we cannot enforce any ‘fair play’ policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. There's nothing about a player doing something that enables their opponent to cheat that prevents you from acting. So you're saying that even though the player who streams makes it possible to get cheated it's Blizzards responsibility to somehow prevent it from happening/punish it? How would that work in practice? What would stop everyone and their mum starting to stream their games and then claiming "streamcheat!!!11" everytime they lose? I mean I could say so even if I don't stream, should Blizzard then go out of their way to investigate if I even have a stream, streamed at that time, etc..? What about stream delay, as has been suggested thousands of times? It's easy to do afaik, yet it somehow always gets ignored as a possible solution? | ||
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FragRaptor
United States184 Posts
That deals with stream sniping with also addressing the annoying problem of getting the same person on ladder. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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SnowSC2
United States678 Posts
On January 21 2012 02:37 KimJongChill wrote: typical blizz. .... | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
They took away our LAN. It's perfectly reasonable for us to expect them to police stream sniping. Here's the Q&A itself: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/374722123 + Show Spoiler + With StarCraft II now on store shelves worldwide, we're excited to see the competitive tournament scene heating up. We'd like to remind everyone that a tournament license is required for any organizer interested in operating a StarCraft II event. Check below for more information on the process; we look forward to seeing your event! Q&A: Q: Why does Blizzard Entertainment require a license to run a tournament? A: There are several reasons why we require a license. The licensing system allows us to help monitor and promote ongoing events, and to encourage more players to participate in community tournaments. Additionally, the licensing system allows Blizzard to verify that our games are used properly and protects our intellectual property. Q: Are there any fees associated with acquiring a StarCraft II tournament license? A: Tournament licenses are generally free. To protect our players, we may require that organizers adhere to additional rules and regulations if the organizer charges entry fees and/or intends to pay out large cash prizes. Q: How do I get a StarCraft II tournament license? A: Fill out the tournament form located here. ( http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/community/esports/ ) Most general tournament requests will be approved instantly. Additional review time may be required before the approval of a license request, depending on the scope of the tournament and the number of incoming requests. We appreciate your patience! If you have additional questions, please email sc-tourneyinfo@blizzard.com. See you on Battle.net! I know that it's not 100% relevant to streaming and non-tournament activities, but I still believe the message is there. "We're forcing everything through Battle.net. That's a good thing because it means we can stop shenanigans." By the way, in the part that I bolded...they implied that they could, in fact, verify individual games. | ||
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