EPTThundertoss Joins Infinity Seven as Coach - Page 5
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
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thundertoss
United States1166 Posts
On January 18 2012 16:06 NB wrote: personally i hope you could do a good job once you become a coach simply because you will be the first of this kind and other team will be looking at iS result in order to decided if they really need a coach or not. I would like to know how are you planning to overcome the skill differences between you and your player in order to gain their respect and listen to you. I have a hard time believe a Korean GM will ever take advice from a diamond 2v2 guy on NA. It is true that you might have casted a lot of games and has been hanging out with a lot of pros in the past but to actually talk to pros about strategy and helping them improve does require a certain level in 1v1 skill. Last time i saw you skype with Col.Minigun while he laddering, you still give him all the wrong suggestion on how to play and after minigun lose you just keep responding 'i dont know i dont know'... wish you all the best! edit: correct spellings edit2: ima leave this related blog of mine here for you to index. note the comments below http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=302455 So to answer you're question I'll tell you that while there is a skill gap, the players are the ones asking me for information and after I give an answer with an explanation they'll say "ahh yes.. that makes sense... let me try it in this next game" and then "yes that worked out much better". How would I even get this position if players didn't respect me? O.o I can show you how much I improved GM players in just a few hours of coaching. And i've already talked about the difference between mechanical skill and game knowledge. Do you think I was accepted on to a team like iS without a trial period? O.o baffling. Last time you saw me on skype with minigun we were experimenting with an entirely new build/timing that I hadn't seen anyone do. The things i have worked on with minigun is much less involved than coaching for iS. If there was such a massive gap then minigun would already know the build based on the composition and not have to listen to me after I told him the goal of the timing attack. | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
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thundertoss
United States1166 Posts
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
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Akta
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On January 18 2012 17:16 jenzebubble wrote: It's not strange at all since there are literally thousands of things a good player isn't necessarily aware or have a perfect understanding of, which is why having coaches tend to be standard in sports. This isn't the first time a team has hired a coach that could not play the game at a high level. Team3D, during what could be called a down swing, hired Bootman (writer for GotFrag, I believe) as their coach. Bootman was probably Cal-M skill level. He was a darn fine strategist though. I don't know what Thundertoss brings to the table, but this wouldn't be the first time a team hired a coach that played at a low level. Can take some random things that a person from the outside can potentially be a lot better at than a certain player. -Relevant math. -How to improve. (huge category) -Sub category: Easiest way to improve. (huge category) -Sub category: Fastest way to improve. (huge category) And so on. The outside person doesn't have to be better than the player at everything, just at any somewhat important area. To illustrate one of thousands of possibilities. A very good chess player looks at strategical situation a specific sc2 player have a hard time understanding. edit for example: Perhaps the situation is the result of an earlier "fork", perhaps there is even a game ending fork the coached player can use in the "strategically difficult situation". Etc | ||
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KoDo
United States683 Posts
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
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IrOnKaL
United States340 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 18 2012 16:57 thundertoss wrote: So to answer you're question I'll tell you that while there is a skill gap, the players are the ones asking me for information and after I give an answer with an explanation they'll say "ahh yes.. that makes sense... let me try it in this next game" and then "yes that worked out much better". How would I even get this position if players didn't respect me? O.o I can show you how much I improved GM players in just a few hours of coaching. And i've already talked about the difference between mechanical skill and game knowledge. Do you think I was accepted on to a team like iS without a trial period? O.o baffling. Last time you saw me on skype with minigun we were experimenting with an entirely new build/timing that I hadn't seen anyone do. The things i have worked on with minigun is much less involved than coaching for iS. If there was such a massive gap then minigun would already know the build based on the composition and not have to listen to me after I told him the goal of the timing attack. Let the results speak for itself, don't listen to haters... IMO respect is the MOST necessary component to being a coach, and it's pretty evident that you have it, so no worries. glyo! | ||
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thundertoss
United States1166 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/wjay0/infinity_seven_goes_200_in_esea_season_11/ 20-0 for the ESEA season. First undefeated team so far. iS Fighting! Thanks to everyone who supported us thus far and hopefully these results changed some people's minds. ^_^ | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
edit: Nvm, just realized this is an old thread and he wasn't on the roster when this was made. | ||
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Miragee
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On January 17 2012 03:51 smudgy wrote: Uhm so you're saying they can't talk within themselves about other players? It's their private chat, they shouldn't have to worry if they're manner or not. Congrats to iS and TT, excited to see what's next. Sorry they can talk about them. But if they call them gay and retarded: The is neither politically correct nor shows the respect that you should have for your opponents in competition. | ||
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