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On January 16 2012 16:36 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:35 Seeker wrote:
Oh come on...... why would anyone in their right mind leave SlayerS!!! >:[
None the less....
GOOD LUCK GOLDEN!!!
LighT or Liquid should pick him up :D Seems like many Koreans have illusions of grandeur on how much they are worth to foreign teams and leave because of that. I hope this is not the case here and he just wants to be part of the foreign scene, but who knows.
Thx for the post Diamond.
I'm gonna take the optimistic route and say the koreans are starting to respect foreign players as a whole and want to explore other scenes. I'm guessing he didn't like the SlayerS training regimen as well.
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On January 16 2012 19:44 Jojo131 wrote:
This is already pretty obvious and hardly needs to be restated imo, the question is about players like Golden who are relatively new/unknown compared to people like Grubby/Boxer/etc who could still be in high school and whether making these big risks trying to be "the next best thing" is actually a smart thing to do.
im not sure exactly what your protest is.
re: golden, leaving a team where he's a b teamer with no prospects and trying to get a pay day being the korean ringer for a foreign team is probably the smartest thing for him to do -- moving out of a team house and full time practice atmosphere and participating in an easier community frees him up to spend extra time getting on with his life. he stays with a korean team he gets room and board and plays his ass off and until he qualifies for Code A can expect to make nothing other than room and board, after which he'll have to beat the best players in the world to make anything.
re: players who are "unknown" -- a year ago (or a year and some change), no one knew most of the successful sc2 players. the community is very dynamic and changes rapidly. if you are good enough to win, you won't be unknown for long.
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On January 16 2012 19:31 Duravi wrote:
Ok here is a problem with the analogy between pro sports risks and esports risks. Many good highschool players get a SCHOLARSHIP to a good University, get a degree, and never go Pro. You cannot get a scholarship for esports. You completely postpone your education, and playing esports is of no benefit to it even if you wish to do both. The amount of players who go Pro straight out of highschool is incredibly small, and that is what you are comparing esports to. The risk in traditional sports is much much lower, and I would never advise any young person to put 100% effort into esports.
Actually I believe DRG joined MVP in return for educational support?
on topic:
Seems like this is just another opportunity for dragon and golden to grow 
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not a big deal, because neither have actually featured in a big tournament yet.
i haven't seen golden, but dragon is a sexy beast.
if you were ranking the pro sc2 players be level of inventivness, innovation and ingenuity.... dragon would be right at the top of the list along with white ra. they win such a high percentage of those 'non normal' games which would tilt any other top player like stephano or naniwa.
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To players like Golden it seems their best bet would be to ask for a small salary, but travel to western events. He could no doubt earn a lot of prize money, just look at Puma who has had no success in the Korean scene but has made a lot of prize money by being one of the few koreans at western tournaments.
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On January 16 2012 20:10 dearyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 19:31 Duravi wrote:
Ok here is a problem with the analogy between pro sports risks and esports risks. Many good highschool players get a SCHOLARSHIP to a good University, get a degree, and never go Pro. You cannot get a scholarship for esports. You completely postpone your education, and playing esports is of no benefit to it even if you wish to do both. The amount of players who go Pro straight out of highschool is incredibly small, and that is what you are comparing esports to. The risk in traditional sports is much much lower, and I would never advise any young person to put 100% effort into esports. Actually I believe DRG joined MVP in return for educational support? on topic: Seems like this is just another opportunity for dragon and golden to grow
This is 100% correct, now can you name a western team that is supporting any players education financially?
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Smart guy. He's a Korean pro so he'll roll over every foreign event he enters if he gets picked up by foriegn team
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On January 16 2012 20:13 Duravi wrote:
This is 100% correct, now can you name a western team that is supporting any players education financially?
this is probably a partial but important reason why the US has lagged behind in most competitive gaming while scandinavian countries are very strong.
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Sadly, SlayerS has like 20-25 players on their team. Coaches focus only on their top stars which is understandable, but the guys who need the training the most, dont get any attention or proper practice from what I hear.
These guys wont be the only ones to leave Slayers if that above is actually true.
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On January 16 2012 20:16 mockturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 20:13 Duravi wrote:
This is 100% correct, now can you name a western team that is supporting any players education financially? this is probably a partial but important reason why the US has lagged behind in most competitive gaming while scandinavian countries are very strong.
Just curious, do you mean this like scandinavian teams do, or just that there is a lack of this compared to other US sports?
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On January 16 2012 20:22 Duravi wrote:
Just curious, do you mean this like scandinavian teams do, or just that there is a lack of this compared to other US sports?
university is much more attainable in scandinavian countries for everyone -- they're subsidized much more heavily by the government which means you aren't competing for an academic scholarship or in a rush to get a high paying job to pay off your student loans or anything like that. in other words, if you're scandinavian and in high school or college or recently graduated, you have a lot more financial freedom to pursue your passionate hobby without putting your future in jeopardy.
i'd guess mvp's offer of covering education for DRG is significantly less of a financial commitment than sending someone to a typical american state university.
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furthermore, what korea has which america/the west lacks is the a decade old example of having a sustainable business model, so a coach can be in a position to plan and invest for the long term. esports in the west is growing but there have been pockets of growth and failure going on for the past decade, whereas starcraft in korea spent years adapting to what worked to build the only real model of a professional sport that's ever happened in esports, and unfortunately that model isn't workable on a global scale so for international sc2 everyone is still flying blind.
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On January 16 2012 16:39 Azzur wrote:
Many koreans think that there are riches abroad but he is a no-name korean and will be hard pressed to get any decent money. I'm sure a foreign team will pick him up but the amount they will be willing to pay will be far below what he's expecting.
Well, he's still better and more accomplished than:
- Lure
- Hwangsin
- Maka
- Check
- Phoenix
- Tandongho
- Yong
- Illusion
and SlayerS isn't paying him a penny a month. Foreign teams might be more reasonable about him.
Sad part (for majority of people, not me though) is that SC2 scene is turning more into WC3 scene than BW scene.
EDIT: List also should include Mentalist and CrazymovING but it's sad for me to include both, especially the latter.
EDIT2: I just realized that it's golden and not yugioh. He's still better than 75% of the list though.
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On January 16 2012 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:39 Azzur wrote:
Many koreans think that there are riches abroad but he is a no-name korean and will be hard pressed to get any decent money. I'm sure a foreign team will pick him up but the amount they will be willing to pay will be far below what he's expecting. Well, he's still better and more accomplished than: - Lure - Hwangsin - Maka - Check - Phoenix - Tandongho - Yong - Illusion and SlayerS isn't paying him a penny a month. Foreign teams might be more reasonable about him. Sad part (for majority of people, not me though) is that SC2 scene is turning more into WC3 scene than BW scene. EDIT: List also should include Mentalist and CrazymovING but it's sad for me to include both, especially the latter.
illusion isnt a "real" korean. he speaks fluent english and has always lived in the US. hes a Korean-American.
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Well eventually the money in both scenes will even out and these players who transitioned to foreign teams and lost out in quality practice time will never be able to catch up with the koreans koreans and just fade out.
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Wow, so many people think of sc2 progaming as just about money. What happened to people playing for the love of the game and stuff? I guess I'm incredibly delusional and idealistic...
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Check had a lot of early success, and was in Code S for quite some time.
He's in and out of GSL all the time.
I wouldn't dump him into the rest of that list.
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On January 16 2012 20:16 mockturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 20:13 Duravi wrote:
This is 100% correct, now can you name a western team that is supporting any players education financially? this is probably a partial but important reason why the US has lagged behind in most competitive gaming while scandinavian countries are very strong.
Getting education in scandinavia is free, i even get paid for going to university. So its much differend from US in terms of educational support. The reason why its much better in sweden i would presume is due to the fact that internet have been easily accessable for a long time while being cheap as well
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On January 16 2012 20:43 StarMoon wrote:
Check had a lot of early success, and was in Code S for quite some time.
He's in and out of GSL all the time.
I wouldn't dump him into the rest of that list.
Same with Maka only a bit more in the beta.
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On January 16 2012 20:28 mockturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 20:22 Duravi wrote:
Just curious, do you mean this like scandinavian teams do, or just that there is a lack of this compared to other US sports? university is much more attainable in scandinavian countries for everyone -- they're subsidized much more heavily by the government which means you aren't competing for an academic scholarship or in a rush to get a high paying job to pay off your student loans or anything like that. in other words, if you're scandinavian and in high school or college or recently graduated, you have a lot more financial freedom to pursue your passionate hobby without putting your future in jeopardy. i'd guess mvp's offer of covering education for DRG is significantly less of a financial commitment than sending someone to a typical american state university. edit: furthermore, what korea has which america/the west lacks is the a decade old example of having a sustainable business model, so a coach can be in a position to plan and invest for the long term. esports in the west is growing but there have been pockets of growth and failure going on for the past decade, whereas starcraft in korea spent years adapting to what worked to build the only real model of a professional sport that's ever happened in esports, and unfortunately that model isn't workable on a global scale so for international sc2 everyone is still flying blind.
We acutally "get paid" for attending university in sweden. There is a sort of "student wellfare" which amounts to roughly $370/month (atleast for me at the moment). In addition to that you can take student loans ofc. Also, pretty much every single school is free to attend (there are a few exceptions to this ofc).
I know that a few years ago, atleast, it was very common for gamers to registrate for university courses simply to get the wellfare each month, and then spent all their time gaming instead of studying, haha.
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