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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On December 28 2011 06:31 turdburgler wrote: so someone who doesnt share your opinion and posts about it in a place for public discussion is automatically a troll who needs to grow up? pot, kettle, etc no some one who shits on people for trying to make their living is what i was after | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:06 Alejandrisha wrote: no some one who shits on people for trying to make their living is what i was after You don't have to win tournaments to be a good player. Most people become good players before they win tournaments. DeMusliM is a good player. | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:56 jj33 wrote: As far as being competitive at the upper echelon, being good is what that is. If you aren't then you're not. EG is a big name team now and with all their sponsors, they definitely want results, more the better. So yea getting a player capable of winning is the bottom line. You see, that's wrong. They don't only benefit from picking up a new player who will dominate every tournament and bring home golds. By your standards there are maybe a handful of good players in the foregin scene. If teams only picked up people who were taking home first place prizes this would be a dead sport. Even more so if your team has big name sponsors. You want people that once again, like I said (and you apparently didn't read) are a good return on your investment. The point is with people like Idra and HuK, they require a huge investment, since they could easily demand a top salary from any team. People Like Axslav, though, may not be in that eschelon of play or pay, but for what is invested in him, he is doing just right, improving with consistent results, slowly but steadily getting better. And you know what? He carries all his sponsors names when he does so. I don't think you're looking at the bigger picture here, or atleast not what sponsors really want. | ||
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:06 Alejandrisha wrote: no some one who shits on people for trying to make their living is what i was after You were after a "forum troll" because he was on Demuslim for "trying to make a living". What trying does he have to do? He practices, and that is what should be expected of him when he signs a contract. 3 hots a cot and I'm sure a surly salary being with EG. Forum posters aren't taking away from his livelihood. So I don't understand what you're trying to protect. | ||
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Holey
United States68 Posts
 jkmaybe its a new player that not many people know about. | ||
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adi_hsd
Romania74 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:16 Sphen5117 wrote: You see, that's wrong. They don't only benefit from picking up a new player who will dominate every tournament and bring home golds. By your standards there are maybe a handful of good players in the foregin scene. If teams only picked up people who were taking home first place prizes this would be a dead sport. Even more so if your team has big name sponsors. You want people that once again, like I said (and you apparently didn't read) are a good return on your investment. The point is with people like Idra and HuK, they require a huge investment, since they could easily demand a top salary from any team. People Like Axslav, though, may not be in that eschelon of play or pay, but for what is invested in him, he is doing just right, improving with consistent results, slowly but steadily getting better. And you know what? He carries all his sponsors names when he does so. I don't think you're looking at the bigger picture here, or atleast not what sponsors really want. That's why EG prioritizes recruiting players who have the skill and the marketability. Its not just about players who take first place in every tournament. You attract more sponsors when you have top notch players who also carry themselves well to community. Recruiting lower level players and then "developing" them is a big time risk because there are only so many people out there who are passionate and actually back it up with work ethic. Consider the fierce competition that we are currently witnessing in sc2. Its not realistic to pick up EVERY first place winner given that there are simply TOO many and the fact that SC2 is still a volatile game. Even if EG hypothetically picks up DRG, they won't be the best team compared to some of the Korean powerhouses, but they'll be close. That will undoubtedly attract more fans, haters, and overall more viewership which ultimately leads to potential sponsorships. They pick up some unknown and it'll take them years of waiting around to *maybe* having someone at the level of DRG. Problem is DRG's don't grow on trees. Just to be clear, I don't think DRG is joining EG, I just used him as an example because of his skill and existing popularity. | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:23 adi_hsd wrote: anyone thought about the posibillity of getting Artosis? picking Artosis and Day9 for the lols, yes. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
On December 28 2011 06:11 Alejandrisha wrote: how do you measure "good" for a forum troll who sits on his ass all day and criticizes people doing their job? grow up not measuring trolls,we are measuring pro players skills vs other pro players. win a ton of major tournies, real good. win a few and your good, dont bring home the cash for the team and your bad and needs to be terminated. we are talkin about EG. not vile gaming. i think you need to stop thinkin that every pro is good. thats like saying every master league player is good because master league is better than diamond league. but not every master league player is good when compared to other master league players. demuslim is not good. how much money has he won in tournies compared to other pro's? i think this would be a relevant measure of "good" | ||
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:26 monXikk wrote: picking Artosis and Day9 for the lols, yes. Tasteless used to be in EG | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:39 Warillions wrote: not measuring trolls,we are measuring pro players skills vs other pro players. win a ton of major tournies, real good. win a few and your good, dont bring home the cash for the team and your bad and needs to be terminated. we are talkin about EG. not vile gaming. i think you need to stop thinkin that every pro is good. thats like saying every master league player is good because master league is better than diamond league. but not every master league player is good when compared to other master league players. demuslim is not good. how much money has he won in tournies compared to other pro's? i think this would be a relevant measure of "good" saying demu is good doesn't equate to saying every masters player is good | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:27 leo23 wrote: damn, all this discussion for 1 twitter post... pretty good and its not even an incontrol post | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
True, but not as player but as somekind of manager or whatnot. | ||
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Aiurr
Poland80 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:39 Warillions wrote: not measuring trolls,we are measuring pro players skills vs other pro players. win a ton of major tournies, real good. win a few and your good, dont bring home the cash for the team and your bad and needs to be terminated. we are talkin about EG. not vile gaming. i think you need to stop thinkin that every pro is good. thats like saying every master league player is good because master league is better than diamond league. but not every master league player is good when compared to other master league players. demuslim is not good. how much money has he won in tournies compared to other pro's? i think this would be a relevant measure of "good" You have no clue on how these organizations work. DeMuslim is good enough to have earned a spot in the January Up and Downs. He will be going to Korea and playing in the Slayers house. He is easily one of the best foreign terran players. The fact that he has not won any tournaments can be attributed to him getting injured (breaking one of his arms) and not being able to play in some tournaments (Visa issues). We actually haven't seen him all that many major tournaments because of those things. So wait until he has time to prove himself rather than saying he should be off a team just cause he doesn't win first place at a tournament. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:39 Warillions wrote: not measuring trolls,we are measuring pro players skills vs other pro players. win a ton of major tournies, real good. win a few and your good, dont bring home the cash for the team and your bad and needs to be terminated. we are talkin about EG. not vile gaming. i think you need to stop thinkin that every pro is good. thats like saying every master league player is good because master league is better than diamond league. but not every master league player is good when compared to other master league players. demuslim is not good. how much money has he won in tournies compared to other pro's? i think this would be a relevant measure of "good" So you measure skill by looking at the money won? I'm kinda sorry for you. Maybe you should leave this community, if you are that narrow minded. I will teach you something, and maybe you will learn : You don't get "good" or "skilled" the moment that you win something. You have to be good in the first place to even win something. Therefore, you are good before winning something. Therefore, winning something is not a good way to measure skill. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On December 28 2011 06:11 Alejandrisha wrote: how do you measure "good" for a forum troll who sits on his ass all day and criticizes people doing their job? grow up Nice try at insulting. Real cute. Got a real career that pays. Posting at work during free time And im a troll because i call it the way it is haha Seems youre the one who needs to grow up | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On December 28 2011 08:05 jj33 wrote: Nice try at insulting. Real cute. Got a real career that pays. Posting at work during free time And im a troll because i call it the way it is haha Seems youre the one who needs to grow up You have an unclear definition of "good." I think Demuslim is good because A. Hes got potential and hes young. B. Hes displayed the speed in his mechanics, a high SC2 IQ in his commentary, and displayed the work ethic and desire to want to improve. C. He's had positive tournament experiences, for example, He qualified for IPL3, made a nice run at MLG Raleigh, qualified for NASL2. So in your opinion, is he not "good" because you think he lacks potential? Mechanics? a brain? Because you think hes a lazy bum? Because he was knocked out of tournaments because of guys like Thorzain, Ret, Ryung? I don't think you're trolling like everyone else thinks you are, so tell me, what is your definition of good? and why do you think Demuslim is not good? | ||
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justsayinbro
307 Posts
On December 28 2011 07:52 monXikk wrote: True, but not as player but as somekind of manager or whatnot. haha i remember one of the first GSLs where Tasteless would shamelessly plug EG like every match lol. | ||
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