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On December 28 2011 05:32 Sphen5117 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. You know, they have a comparable lineup to any other foreigner team, and in my opinion better. They don't need to get another tournament winner for it to be worth it. You don't only sign MVP's to a team in any sport. You sign who will return a profit on your investment. This is influenced by both how much you have to invest and their skill. Investing in a smaller-salaried pro who is decent and atleast qualifies for lots of tourneys could be helpful as well. People like you seem to only think someone is "good" if they've dominated multiple tournaments.
As far as being competitive at the upper echelon, being good is what that is.
If you aren't then you're not.
EG is a big name team now and with all their sponsors, they definitely want results, more the better.
So yea getting a player capable of winning is the bottom line.
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On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good.
Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors.
Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good.
Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments.
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On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments.
gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad
"he's not good"
rofl
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On December 28 2011 05:53 darklight54321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:18 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:17 darklight54321 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. they have only three TOURNAMENT level players is what you should amend that too. All the other ones are good, even great, players. just none of them would make a deep run in any tournament. B-team vs A-team. That's the point. EG is a big name premier team. Guys that are good for ladder runs, but can't compete at the upper echelon don't matter. thats where your somewhat wrong. EG's B team is comparable to a lot of foreign teams A teams. Look at Col, does any Complexity player seriously outmatch Axel consistently? No. EG's bteam is an amazing investment return because they are the best at what they do. Only real competition in terms of line up is Liquid and now QxG. Even there, take out Sase/naniwa in QxG and EG's b team would put up a fight, take out the the top liquid, and once again there would be some competition (though prob not as much, all of liquid is pretty good). These people get outshone by the ateam, and thats the main issue. There's no reason for them to go to tournaments because there are much better players within the team who can go. EG can use 1-2 more heavy hitters and they will be perfectly comparable to any major korean team in term of A team, and thats all they really need.
Like I said EG is a premier team. They have so many sponsors, I'm pretty sure they want results now. EG rents out a teamhouse makes an agreement with Slayers, it's pretty obvious they are serious about reallyl competing at the upper level.
so that means, if they can afford to get another top level player from whereever, then that's a good thing. No point in getting a B teamer who will get blown out of the water vs real competition.
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On December 28 2011 05:59 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments. gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad "he's not good" rofl
How do you measure "good" for a professional who gets paid to play?
Let me know when Demuslim wins a big tournament
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On December 28 2011 05:50 TerlocSG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:17 darklight54321 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. they have only three TOURNAMENT level players is what you should amend that too. All the other ones are good, even great, players. just none of them would make a deep run in any tournament. B-team vs A-team. Lol... What are you arguing? They have 3 good TOURNAMENT players and a few good non-TOURNAMENT players? If you're not good in tournaments, you're not good. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
!00% correct.
The only relevant players are ones who can actually win.
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On December 28 2011 06:02 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:59 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments. gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad "he's not good" rofl How do you measure "good" for a professional who gets paid to play? Let me know when Demuslim wins a big tournament
Using your criteria for who is "good" players like, Kas, Beastyqt, and MaNa (who are all top 5 non-Koreans ELO wise on the sidebar right there) are not good because they haven't won anything substantial.
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On December 28 2011 06:02 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:59 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments. gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad "he's not good" rofl How do you measure "good" for a professional who gets paid to play? Let me know when Demuslim wins a big tournament
how do you measure "good" for a forum troll who sits on his ass all day and criticizes people doing their job?
grow up
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at least there isn't a website-scavenger hunt thing going on... and I'm gonna say EG... RYUNG, just to shake things up a bit.
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Alejandrisha, I think there's a difference between 'good' and 'top tier'. I mean, Haypro, InControl and Drewbie are all good players, they would beat my ass 24/7. They are good, I think DeMuslim is a bit better than they are. But Thorzain, Naniwa, Idra, HuK, Puma, Hero and most of the other korean pro's are just better.
DeMuslim is a good player, but not as good as the top tier korean players. It's not a thing of beating all koreans 100% of the time, nobody has a perfect win record. But as said, DeMuslim has not shown that he is good enough to finish high in tournaments and that's why you can't regard him as 'top tier'.
This is all my opinion, yaddieyadayada.
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yeah i understand that play bashing is trendy these days. i didn't make any distinction of top tier, middle tier, 2nd layer inner tier.
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On December 28 2011 06:10 phathom321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 06:02 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:59 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments. gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad "he's not good" rofl How do you measure "good" for a professional who gets paid to play? Let me know when Demuslim wins a big tournament Using your criteria for who is "good" players like, Kas, Beastyqt, and MaNa (who are all top 5 non-Koreans ELO wise on the sidebar right there) are not good because they haven't won anything substantial.
Kas did very well at TSL3 and WCG. Mana did well at several events (DH Winter last year, ESWC, one IEM I think).
The only offline Event Demuslim did really well was IEM Kiev (about 1y ago.)
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On December 28 2011 06:11 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 06:02 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:59 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments. gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad "he's not good" rofl How do you measure "good" for a professional who gets paid to play? Let me know when Demuslim wins a big tournament how do you measure "good" for a forum troll who sits on his ass all day and criticizes people doing their job? grow up
so someone who doesnt share your opinion and posts about it in a place for public discussion is automatically a troll who needs to grow up?
pot, kettle, etc
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On December 28 2011 05:53 darklight54321 wrote:
thats where your somewhat wrong. EG's B team is comparable to a lot of foreign teams A teams. Look at Col, does any Complexity player seriously outmatch Axel consistently? No. EG's bteam is an amazing investment return because they are the best at what they do. Only real competition in terms of line up is Liquid and now QxG. Even there, take out Sase/naniwa in QxG and EG's b team would put up a fight, take out the the top liquid, and once again there would be some competition (though prob not as much, all of liquid is pretty good).
These people get outshone by the ateam, and thats the main issue. There's no reason for them to go to tournaments because there are much better players within the team who can go. EG can use 1-2 more heavy hitters and they will be perfectly comparable to any major korean team in term of A team, and thats all they really need.
Funny, that you left out the best team, when it actually comes to team results. The only foreign team until now, that could give even the absolute best teams in the world (Slayers, MVP, IM) trouble and that without a single Korean in the lineup.
Whoever EG plans to sign, it will probably cause drama and discussion. Pretty much every action of EG does that and I think that this is at least partially intentional by them. They know how to keep the community on the edge of their seat and it works. Even a single tweet garners a good amount of publicity for them. Such approach is definitively a legitimate one in sports, but it is also a controversial one. While I´m not a fan of such policies, because EG is good enough to let their play speak for them instead of their PR, the SC2 scene would be a good deal less interesting without them. EG are the "bad guys" of the scene and I enjoy rooting against them. That makes victories of my favorite teams/players over them all the more sweeter.
I just hope, that the addition of the new player won´t break the exciting balance between the three top guns of the foreign scene, which creates duels that are impossible to predict. What makes it even more interesting is the fact, that all three have different team policies.
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On December 28 2011 06:23 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 06:10 phathom321 wrote:On December 28 2011 06:02 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:59 Alejandrisha wrote:On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments. gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad "he's not good" rofl How do you measure "good" for a professional who gets paid to play? Let me know when Demuslim wins a big tournament Using your criteria for who is "good" players like, Kas, Beastyqt, and MaNa (who are all top 5 non-Koreans ELO wise on the sidebar right there) are not good because they haven't won anything substantial. Kas did very well at TSL3 and WCG. Mana did well at several events (DH Winter last year, ESWC, one IEM I think). The only offline Event Demuslim did really well was IEM Kiev (about 1y ago.)
Demuslim can go toe to toe with most foreigners. He has always had the unfortunate problem of hitting big names early (Thorzain and Ret come to mind)... He had that fucking amazing run at Raleigh through open then through names liek TLO, Trickster, and Ret before being stopped by Nada...
I mean I hope you guys realize this guy was out for a few months because he broke his arm...
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Forgive me if I'm dense, but was the Desrow rumor a joke?
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On December 28 2011 06:46 Juvant wrote:
Forgive me if I'm dense, but was the Desrow rumor a joke?
yes
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My bet is on Killer/Sangho. Some people seen him on Cella stream few days ago, unless Slayers sign him I dont think he was there for no reason.
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On December 28 2011 05:59 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 05:58 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:54 Mity wrote:On December 28 2011 05:13 jj33 wrote:On December 28 2011 05:00 Disposition1989 wrote:
half their team is already zerg, but i wonder if thats ever an issue with a team since its likely a good pickup. 5 is only 1 more than 4 and 4 is 1 more than 3. note: 2+2 is 4 EG only has three good players. Puma/Idra/Huk. They could use another quality player capable of winning big tournaments, no matter what race that person plays. Last time I checked DeMuslim is pretty damned good. Last time I checked he gets demolished in any tournaments with any relevant competitors. Demuslim will not win any big name tournaments. Sorry he's not good. Good in ladder sure, but not for winning actual big name tournaments. gah i forgot that if you don't beat 100% Koreans 100% of the time you are bad "he's not good" rofl
You laugh at the statement which is a bit hyperbole but what has Demuslim accomplished? Outside of ladder and a bunch of viewers to watch his Reality TV stream, I'm not aware of winning or even placing for that matter in any legitimate offline tournaments.
And to the poster above considering his "run through MLG Raleigh" and "I hope you understand he had been out for months because of a broken arm". His run through MLG Raleigh was sub par at best. You quote him running into hard hitting foreigners such as TLO and Ret. As far as I'm concerned for all the hype he's received TLO and nearly ALL other foreign players should be considered as a bye as he trots to the next round. I understand losing to Ret but give me a break, how much cushion are you going to give this guy about a broken arm in beta.
You don't forget what you already know. So then it just boils down to mechanics which he's had plenty of time to bounce back. The bottom line is, he hasn't.
People respect you for results, not excuses.
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