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On December 17 2011 06:40 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:20 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 04:46 s4life wrote:On December 17 2011 02:23 torso wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.) What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. I did read the thread and I have no doubt that GOM is behind this mess and should take responsibility for it. Naniwa was the trigger but the root cause is GOM's lack of professionalism. EDIT: this is an excellent post, suggest you read it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295033¤tpage=34#677 That post is pretty damning.. GOM people are looking like a bunch of mafiosos.. The mafia breaks laws (drugs, extortion, murder, etc). GOM runs Starcraft tournaments, pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to players every year, and you can either choose to watch it or choose not to. LOL @ mafiosos. I agree, no need to call anyone mafioso. Thats rather insulting tbh. But dont act like GOM are some saints giving away money. They are a company, making money because there are players who are extremely talented and train very hard and have an audience and a fanbase. Im not hating on GOM here, just saying that treating a company with such a dominant position as a pure benefactor of society rarely results in a pretty outcome.
Sure. I agree they are a company, engaged in profit-seeking, etc.
I just meant it's a more than a little overboard to compare them to the mafia, just because they, rightly or wrongly, didn't invite a certain player to a tournament. 
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On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over.
What are you smoking dude?!
The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa.
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I find it interesting that most people agree with the result but don't like the method.
Put it this way. If Naniwa had not participated in Blizzard Cup or if he had not thrown the game against NesTea, he would have his Code S invite right now. He did something extremely dumb and disrespectful (don't argue, even he admits this) and now he doesn't have a Code S spot.
Regardless of the law or reasoning, this is the right result and now the result that would happen no matter what jurisdiction or contract or law we're using. GOM revoked the spot, Naniwa withdrew from GSL January, and MLG doesn't care. In almost any change, Naniwa would still not be invited to Code S and he doesn't deserve to be. Plain and simple, he did this to himself.
I'm not sure why everyone is so eager to bash GOM for this. I think it's fair to be on edge and jump on GOM if they do the wrong thing in the next similar situation, but to just jump out and say they're a bad or untrustworthy organization is an unfair opinion. To cast this as a "Korean thing" is also not right.
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On December 17 2011 06:51 coverpunch wrote:
I find it interesting that most people agree with the result but don't like the method.
Put it this way. If Naniwa had not participated in Blizzard Cup or if he had not thrown the game against NesTea, he would have his Code S invite right now. He did something extremely dumb and disrespectful (don't argue, even he admits this) and now he doesn't have a Code S spot.
Regardless of the law or reasoning, this is the right result and now the result that would happen no matter what jurisdiction or contract or law we're using. GOM revoked the spot, Naniwa withdrew from GSL January, and MLG doesn't care. In almost any change, Naniwa would still not be invited to Code S and he doesn't deserve to be. Plain and simple, he did this to himself.
I'm not sure why everyone is so eager to bash GOM for this. I think it's fair to be on edge and jump on GOM if they do the wrong thing in the next similar situation, but to just jump out and say they're a bad or untrustworthy organization is an unfair opinion. To cast this as a "Korean thing" is also not right.
One more time for the latest arrival. If you read the thread, you would know that this hasn't been about naniwa for 54 pages. For the record, I don't think the punishment fit the crime in the first place. But that is besides the point. I can respect that GOM has a different perspective.
What has been discussed, and partly uncovered, in this thread, through reading statements and digging up news-posts, is that GOM, without notifying anyone, changed their policy and no longer awarded a code-S spot for MLG Providence, as had been previously announced. Neither MLG, the players or anyone else were aware of this change until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match. Some people, like me, find that extremely troubling. The implication, that a tournament organizer can withdraw a promised price with no consequences, or even acknowledgement of wrong-doing, should be a big deal to teams, players and viewers alike. IMO.
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Bottom line, it's GOM's league, they do whatever they want. You can criticize all you want, the most you can do is to boycott it, as if they care.
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On December 17 2011 06:51 coverpunch wrote:
I find it interesting that most people agree with the result but don't like the method.
Put it this way. If Naniwa had not participated in Blizzard Cup or if he had not thrown the game against NesTea, he would have his Code S invite right now. He did something extremely dumb and disrespectful (don't argue, even he admits this) and now he doesn't have a Code S spot.
Regardless of the law or reasoning, this is the right result and now the result that would happen no matter what jurisdiction or contract or law we're using. GOM revoked the spot, Naniwa withdrew from GSL January, and MLG doesn't care. In almost any change, Naniwa would still not be invited to Code S and he doesn't deserve to be. Plain and simple, he did this to himself.
I'm not sure why everyone is so eager to bash GOM for this. I think it's fair to be on edge and jump on GOM if they do the wrong thing in the next similar situation, but to just jump out and say they're a bad or untrustworthy organization is an unfair opinion. To cast this as a "Korean thing" is also not right.
The problem is we cant know for sure what Naniwa would have got or not got because GOM are saying that they will do what ever they want. They could have changed their minds anyway (very unlikely ofc) and we will never know. Imagine if Idra got 2nd in MLG providence and played nestea in blizzard cup and droped the game as soon as he saw nestea 9 pooling him, resulting in GOM choosing someone else for the Code S. I guess im saying that i dont like the fact that the most prestigeous sc2 league in the world are saying that they will pick 2 ppl for code s based on criteria unknown to the community. Maybe they pick players based on skill. Maybe based on potential increase in viewers. Maybe based on that a particular foreigner has a large korean fanbase. We just dont know and thats the way GOM wants it unfortunately
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On December 17 2011 07:37 twndomn wrote:
Bottom line, it's GOM's league, they do whatever they want. You can criticize all you want, the most you can do is to boycott it, as if they care.
What's the point of this comment? You might as well go into every thread and say "Bottom line they can do what they want. The most you can do is boycott." I think people realize that, but still like to have discussions.
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But nobody is denying that the result is right. I mean, what are you hoping to achieve?
I don't know why or how you would draw an implication that GOM would arbitrarily screw over players and come out with the wrong result in a similarly FUBAR situation.
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On December 17 2011 06:38 Ammanas wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but when they released new format at first, wasn't there something like 2 boxes with GSL Code S international spots, and one of those boxes was directly named "MLG Providence spot"?
EDIT: on the picture I mean
You're wrong, and I really wish people would stop trying to say there were "stealth changes" because of this. Even in the original thread of the new format a few people were confused because it DIDNT say anything about MLG, but eventually everyone just assumed so anyway. (Except the Korean Media/community anyway, they figured it important enough to ask)
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On December 17 2011 07:39 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 07:37 twndomn wrote:
Bottom line, it's GOM's league, they do whatever they want. You can criticize all you want, the most you can do is to boycott it, as if they care. What's the point of this comment? You might as well go into every thread and say "Bottom line they can do what they want. The most you can do is boycott." I think people realize that, but still like to have discussions.
The point of the comment and every other comment is just like you said, people still like to have discussions and his comment is part of it.
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On December 17 2011 07:48 coverpunch wrote:
But nobody is denying that the result is right. I mean, what are you hoping to achieve?
I don't know why or how you would draw an implication that GOM would arbitrarily screw over players and come out with the wrong result in a similarly FUBAR situation.
Lots of people are denying that, and they are the ones angriest.
See, e.g., three posts above yours: "For the record, I don't think the punishment fit the crime in the first place. But that is besides the point."
(Note: I agree with both the result and the method used to get to the result.)
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On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa.
Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement.
if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg.
again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is.
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On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg.
Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit.
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On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit.
So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't?
That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen.
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On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is.
Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication".
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On December 17 2011 08:16 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit. So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't? That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen.
Naniwa wasn't awarded a Code S spot he had rightfully earned, that did happen.
I would have no problem if GOM decided to ban him for a season though but that's not the point. In fact, that's irrelevant.
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On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication".
To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you."
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On December 17 2011 08:16 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit. So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't? That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen.
But why would you thou? I mean if naniwa hadnt fucked up then GOM wouldnt have to come out and say that he was "a canditate on their list". And since GOM claim nobody won code s at MLG providence they wouldnt suspect anyone to claim that Naniwa had earned it, right?
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On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication".
so, who were these teams and players that were effected by gom's change?
i say what i said because i dont think anyone is effected by new format in a negative way, correctly if i'm wrong.
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On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you."
Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S.
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