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On December 17 2011 08:19 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". so, who were these teams and players that were effected by gom's change? i say what i said because i dont think anyone is effected by new format in a negative way, correctly if i'm wrong.
No one but Naniwa in this case, but this isn't about him. It's about every player at MLG who were fighting over a promised prize that didn't exist.
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On December 17 2011 08:19 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:16 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit. So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't? That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen. Naniwa wasn't awarded a Code S spot he had rightfully earned, that did happen. I would have no problem if GOM decided to ban him for a season though but that's not the point. In fact, that's irrelevant.
I am sorry that the wording of GOM's press release upset you. But at least we can both agree that the right outcome occurred.
It is still pointless to speculate about terrible effects this rule might have had, because from all indications, GSL had two spots to give out, and they intended to give one to the only person at MLG who would have qualified under the old rule anyhow.
This could just as easily have had wonderful effects--imagine if foreigners finished 1-2 in MLG Providence. In that situation, GOM could have given GSL spots to BOTH of them, and we all would have rejoiced.
But rather than having good effects or bad effects, this change instead had no effect except for GOM using different wording in their press release (not picking Naniwa, instead of booting him from his spot).
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On December 17 2011 08:19 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:16 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit. So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't? That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen. But why would you thou? I mean if naniwa hadnt fucked up then GOM wouldnt have to come out and say that he was "a canditate on their list". And since GOM claim nobody won code s at MLG providence they wouldnt suspect anyone to claim that Naniwa had earned it, right?
you're right, there would be outrage if naniwa didn't get his code s spot if blizzcon fiasco didn't happen. getting mad about that is getting mad from a speculation.
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On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S.
Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist.
However, no one was. No harm, no foul.
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On December 17 2011 08:23 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:19 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". so, who were these teams and players that were effected by gom's change? i say what i said because i dont think anyone is effected by new format in a negative way, correctly if i'm wrong. No one but Naniwa in this case, but this isn't about him. It's about every player at MLG who were fighting over a promised prize that didn't exist.
people were promised code s/a seed, people are getting the promised seeds. what didn't exist? what changed is the way they worded it.
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On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul.
That's a pretty bad way of looking at it though.
I mean, by that logic shouldn't drivers who were caught speeding on camera be allowed to walk because they didn't hurt anyone?
Not saying that GOM broke any laws here, but I think there's a lot more to a situation than, was anyone hurt this time?
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On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul.
Again, a player won a Code S spot but was awarded with a 'consideration for Code S'. That situation does exist.
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On December 17 2011 08:31 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul. Again, a player won a Code S spot but was awarded with a 'consideration for Code S'. That situation does exist.
That player lost his spot in consideration due to another incident.
If he had won a spot, he would have lost his spot due to another incident.
The result is the same, and the only thing that changes is the press release wording.
Edit: Also, my discussion with Fjodorov is not about Naniwa, per his request. If you would wish to discuss Naniwa, that is a different topic.
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Anyone else realized that they could have ignored this whole fiasco if they said that Naniwa was going to get the Code S spot from Providence then instantly take it away? No one would be complaining if things were laid out that way, but GOM went ahead and made a SNAFU xd
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On December 17 2011 08:29 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul. That's a pretty bad way of looking at it though. I mean, by that logic shouldn't drivers who were caught speeding on camera be allowed to walk because they didn't hurt no one? Not saying that GOM broke any laws here, but I think there's a lot more to a situation than, was anyone hurt this time?
the logic would say, speeder is getting a ticket for speeding, will not be sentenced for potential man slaughter.
no one was hurt with new rule/format. and i agree gom takes blame in ambiguity, but its hardly anything to make a fuss about like naniwa's action.
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On December 17 2011 08:34 SkimGuy wrote:
Anyone else realized that they could have ignored this whole fiasco if they said that Naniwa was going to get the Code S spot from Providence then instantly take it away? No one would be complaining if things were laid out that way, but GOM went ahead and made a SNAFU xd
Dude, everyone would still be complaing.
GOM didn't announce this wording until a day after they announced Naniwa wasn't getting Code S.
There were huge threads before GOM announced MLG Providece wasn't automatically Code S.
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On December 17 2011 08:26 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:19 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit. So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't? That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen. But why would you thou? I mean if naniwa hadnt fucked up then GOM wouldnt have to come out and say that he was "a canditate on their list". And since GOM claim nobody won code s at MLG providence they wouldnt suspect anyone to claim that Naniwa had earned it, right? you're right, there would be outrage if naniwa didn't get his code s spot if blizzcon fiasco didn't happen. getting mad about that is getting mad from a speculation.
If the blizzcon fiaco didn't happen, it wouldn't have been unveiled what GOMTV did. If GOMTV told MLG, that for Providence no Code S seeds would be awarded, but a spot in the Blizzard Cup, then there would be much less outrage. But this way they changed the rules without telling their partners. They hopped it wouldn't turn out what they did, because they would invite Naniwa. But once they declined Naniwa the spot it became known what GOMTV did.
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On December 17 2011 08:33 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:31 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul. Again, a player won a Code S spot but was awarded with a 'consideration for Code S'. That situation does exist. That player lost his spot in consideration due to another incident. If he had won a spot, he would have lost his spot due to another incident. The result is the same, and the only thing that changes is the press release wording.
To a team or a player investing months and money of going to Korea, such wording makes a huge difference. Would a team or sponsor spend all that money if they knew their player was only a candidate for Code S? When making such decisions they need to know these things.
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On December 17 2011 08:34 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:29 Blondinbengt wrote:On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul. That's a pretty bad way of looking at it though. I mean, by that logic shouldn't drivers who were caught speeding on camera be allowed to walk because they didn't hurt no one? Not saying that GOM broke any laws here, but I think there's a lot more to a situation than, was anyone hurt this time? the logic would say, speeder is getting a ticket for speeding, will not be sentenced for potential man slaughter. no one was hurt with new rule/format.
The MLG used the promise to get to Code S as an advertisement for their tournament, because GOMTV didn't inform them. This is unproffesional behaviour.
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On December 17 2011 08:34 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:29 Blondinbengt wrote:On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul. That's a pretty bad way of looking at it though. I mean, by that logic shouldn't drivers who were caught speeding on camera be allowed to walk because they didn't hurt no one? Not saying that GOM broke any laws here, but I think there's a lot more to a situation than, was anyone hurt this time? the logic would say, speeder is getting a ticket for speeding, will not be sentenced for potential man slaughter. no one was hurt with new rule/format. and i agree gom takes blame in ambiguity, but its hardly anything to make a fuss about like naniwa's action.
The reason speeding is against the law is because you are increasing the chance of hurting other people so if no person was hurt then why should a speeder get a ticket?
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On December 17 2011 08:26 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:19 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit. So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't? That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen. But why would you thou? I mean if naniwa hadnt fucked up then GOM wouldnt have to come out and say that he was "a canditate on their list". And since GOM claim nobody won code s at MLG providence they wouldnt suspect anyone to claim that Naniwa had earned it, right? you're right, there would be outrage if naniwa didn't get his code s spot if blizzcon fiasco didn't happen. getting mad about that is getting mad from a speculation.
But according to your logic nobody would or should be outraged if naniwa did not mess up at blizz cup but still did not get code s spot. Naniwa never earnd code s at mlg, right? GOM never revealed that Naniwa was on their famous "canditate list" until blizz cup shitstorm happened.
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This comes out looking totally ironic on the part of GOM. That's a shame. Hopefully all parties can come out relatively well from this bump in the eSports world.
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i dont think this should be treated lightly, there seems to be alot of missing information.
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On December 17 2011 08:38 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:26 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:12 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. Probably yes but not for certain, which is kinda the point. Mr Chae could for all we know have decided to invite some other player. If Naniwa hadn't messed up there would still have been no guarantee that he would been invited for Code S, and that is pure bullshit. So, you're now getting outraged over something that *could have* happened, but didn't? That seems unreasonable. I agree we would be outraged if Naniwa hadn't messed up and Mr. Chae hadn't invited him regardless. But that did not happen. But why would you thou? I mean if naniwa hadnt fucked up then GOM wouldnt have to come out and say that he was "a canditate on their list". And since GOM claim nobody won code s at MLG providence they wouldnt suspect anyone to claim that Naniwa had earned it, right? you're right, there would be outrage if naniwa didn't get his code s spot if blizzcon fiasco didn't happen. getting mad about that is getting mad from a speculation. If the blizzcon fiaco didn't happen, it wouldn't have been unveiled what GOMTV did. If GOMTV told MLG, that for Providence no Code S seeds would be awarded, but a spot in the Blizzard Cup, then there would be much less outrage. But this way they changed the rules without telling their partners. They hopped it wouldn't turn out what they did, because they would invite Naniwa. But once they declined Naniwa the spot it became known what GOMTV did.
they announced it before hand, its been posted as proof through out the threads.
you can complain about lack of communication between mlg/gom, gom/foreign community, but the announcement, or the information was out there, before providence. (from what i understand reading previous comments w/ links yesterday)
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On December 17 2011 08:38 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:33 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:31 Longshank wrote:On December 17 2011 08:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:22 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:19 Trsjnica wrote:On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:
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Did you read the thread?
GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.)
MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)
What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute.
Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". To be fair, he had to go to Korea anyhow to go to GSL Blizzard Cup. It isn't as if he flew out there on a mere promise, and they told him, "Sorry, we don't want you." Come on, i told you to forget about NANIWA! It could be anyone caught in this web of misscommunication. Im pretty sure there were players attending MLG providence besides naniwa, whos main purpose was to contend for Code S. Anyone "could" have been, if we make up facts that did not happen, and a situation that does not exist. However, no one was. No harm, no foul. Again, a player won a Code S spot but was awarded with a 'consideration for Code S'. That situation does exist. That player lost his spot in consideration due to another incident. If he had won a spot, he would have lost his spot due to another incident. The result is the same, and the only thing that changes is the press release wording. To a team or a player investing months and money of going to Korea, such wording makes a huge difference. Would a team or sponsor spend all that money if they knew their player was only a candidate for Code S? When making such decisions they need to know these things.
A team/player should not purchase travel/lodging/etc until GOM tells them that they are in the tournament.
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