EPTMLG statement on Providence Code S spot - Page 57
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Mugiwara-
Sweden3 Posts
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 17 2011 09:58 att083 wrote: I'm Korean. Ive checked "PLAYXP - Korean SC2 Community" and "ThisIsGame - Korean SC2 Webzine" everyday. But I never knew that Naniwa didnt earn code s seed for MLG. Why someone think that every Korean(at leat most of korean) knew that? There's only one differece between foreign countries and korea, that is "speculative article" about naniwa's code s seed. Gom have never announce modified LXP officially for korean in common with foreign countries. Just said "2 international seeds in 2012 gsl". So people in Korea just speculate, speculate, speculate, ....too. Sorry for my bad English. you also make it sounds like every korean didnt know that I wonder if you really visited playXP during providence because thread like this (during 2nd day of MLG providence) http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=3600223&search=2&search_pos=&q=&page=2 clearly shows people are aware the of the invite change thus MLG providence was only about Blizzcup. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
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att083
Korea (South)2 Posts
So, most of Korean knew that? How can you say so? Is somebody who said 'no code s seed' a GOMTV's spokesperson, then they speak GOM's official position? And marked up to top for people to know clearly? No. never. Your opinion(korean knew already) is based on just somebody's mention or speculative article. There's no official announcement that Naniwa never earned code s spot from GOMTV. After MLG Providence, only one article shows that "naniwa may not have seed." please note your email to me , Gouvou . we can talk better in Korean. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 17 2011 11:51 att083 wrote: I know some peole said "no code s seed in MLG providence for GSL anymore" in a reply for just few threads, already. So, most of Korean knew that? How can you say so? Is somebody who said 'no code s seed' a GOMTV's spokesperson, then they speak GOM's official position? And marked up to top for people to know clearly? No. never. Your opinion(korean knew already) is based on just somebody's reply or specultaion article. There's no official announcement that Naniwa never earned code s spot from GOMTV. After MLG Providence, only one article shows that "naniwa may not have seed." please note your email to me , Gouvou . we can talk better in Korean. I didnt say most people who visited korean sites knew that. When I visited playXP during providence I was quite confused as well. There were definitely alot of questions during MLG how exactly it was going to go regarding the invite. But most of those answers were either 'No code S guaranteed' or 'maybe maybe not'. Of course, it wasn't such a big deal back then. I'm just addressing your point in a light that there were definitely some koreans who knew what was going on. JUST in case, some people get the wrong ideas from your post. my korean may not be good enough to communicate with you. besides, I do not want to get involved in this e drama anymore. I have already given my input more than enough. At this point, I just like seeing some people flipping out over what I consider a minor deal. | ||
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Almtom
Sweden132 Posts
Furthermore i am pretty sure Naniwa could sue MLG since this Code S spot was part of à prize he already won. | ||
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
Besides, I for one really don't blame MLG. They must be in a really awkward situation, where they obviously haven't done anything wrong whereas GOM has, but they can't ask GOM to apologize (Korean pride? I just hear it everywhere, even my gf who buys BJD's from Korean companies says that most of them act really weird, never being able to come clean when they've done something wrong, even when there's solid evidence, screen-shots and saved pictures and all. But maybe this is a minor issue in Korea.) and they can't take the blame for it either. So they have to silently sit there with their hands tied. Unless they want to be martyrs I guess, but at this point I don't think anyone would buy it if they said they take responsibility for this. Anyway... for a long time, in general, I've been sick and tired of big corporations getting away with, as Mugiwara put it, "shit like this". Regardless of whether GOM had any malicious intent or not, I can't stand it when what Naniwa did and what GOM did (which need to be judged separately) doesn't lead to both sides taking responsibility for their action and instead the opposite happens: one side has to get down on his knees and beg for forgiveness and be punished nonetheless, whereas the other side just keeps their mouth shut (after their announcement which only solidified that they had fucked up) and tries to wait until everyone's forgot about it. If that is truly their approach, then for all my understanding of their situation and why they may have acted as they have, I fear I will never have the same respect for them as I did before. To me it would mean that they truly aren't better than all the other corporations out there, and while that won't make them devils it's all too clear that they are all business and no compassion. Of course, I really shouldn't expect anything other than that... but maybe for once it would be nice to hope that the staff of GOM, who I'm sure are all nice, passionate people who really care for e-sports and the players, would have some sway over the actions of the corporation itself. If you say "well every company/corporation is like that", then fine. I just wish for a better world than that, and I won't settle for mediocre. | ||
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Noelani
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AngelusDeLetum
United States98 Posts
On December 17 2011 02:09 m0ck wrote: You are being extremely generous in your last statement on behalf of GOM, bordering the deceptive. GOM certainly didn't tell anyone that Providence would not grant a code-S spot. Exactly! How did they tell everyone? Quote please... | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:08 Xalorian wrote: Do you see the irony in that? They didn't lied and they had the right to do so, it was not against the rule. But doing it without telling anyone was seriously unprofessional. Naniwa got punished, because he was unprofessional. But, what he did was not against the rule. Weird, is in it? You hit the nail on the Irony head here. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
Why don't these hypocrites just admit that they changed the rules after Naniwa's antics? Terrible stuff. | ||
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zanmat0
188 Posts
On December 18 2011 01:22 Noelani wrote: GOM's actions here are absurd - boarderline illegal. Will not be buying any more GOM passes, as I now feel GOM is as bad if not worse than kespa. Same here and I encourage people to do the same. If you've already bought a pass and GOM refuses to refund it, you can always get your money back through paypal. | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On December 18 2011 15:02 zanmat0 wrote: Same here and I encourage people to do the same. If you've already bought a pass and GOM refuses to refund it, you can always get your money back through paypal. So we'll punish eSports because we dislike GOM? A company which does lots of help eSports and pretty much nothing to hurt eSports. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
So we'll punish eSports because we dislike GOM? Yep I can just see Mr. eSports hung upside down with hot wax dripping on his back right now. He is soooo punished. Seriously why do people equate every single specific piece of drama or isolated problem with the umbrella statement "eSports." | ||
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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
On December 18 2011 15:15 MVega wrote: So we'll punish eSports because we dislike GOM? A company which does lots of help eSports and pretty much nothing to hurt eSports. No, I'll punish GOM by not giving them my money and giving it to other leagues that I feel are more deserving. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote: Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". I don't know why you put "misscommunication" (sic) in quotes like that; are you saying that it wasn't a miscommunication? Are you saying that GOM decided to revoke MLG's Code S slot after MLG happened? That makes absolutely no sense. And here's why. If GOM revoked the Code S slot before the Naniwa incident, but after MLG, then it would have made no difference either way. They were giving the guy Code S either way, right? So why bother saying that he was given Code S when he had the spot from MLG? If it happened after the Naniwa incident, then that doesn't make sense either. They revoked his Code S. However he got it, GOM decided that his conduct was unbecoming of a pro-gamer and they didn't want him at their tournament. Whether he was given Code S or whether he earned it at MLG, it makes no difference: GOM took it away due to conduct unbecoming. Therefore, the only explanation that makes sense (outside of conspiracy theory ramblings) is that the decision was made before MLG. And the only reason we didn't know about it was that it wasn't properly communicated. AKA: a miscommunication. | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
On December 18 2011 15:15 MVega wrote: So we'll punish eSports because we dislike GOM? A company which does lots of help eSports and pretty much nothing to hurt eSports. what? by letting the biggest tournament get away with murder, simply because theyre the biggest we would be supporting e-sports? if we want e-sports to grow we should be supporting gom when they do things right, but also say NO when they treat us like garbage | ||
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Evolutia
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Gwypaas
Sweden41 Posts
On December 18 2011 18:39 Evolutia wrote: Can we get over this already, Naniwa needs to learn some social skills. Move on, it's been all about Naniwa for like weeks now Zzzzzzzzzz This matter has nothing at all to do with Naniwa. He was the catalyst which made it become public knowledge but this is now entirely seperate to that incident. This is about GOM being a horrible business partner trying to blame everything on MLG which in many ways is way worse than an incident a single player can create through his actions, i.e. the Naniwa incident. | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
2)Ultimately it was a childish move on naniwa's behalf, and as a player in that tournament he is representing SC2 to starcraft fans that are familiar with BW. Now their used to seeing professionalism, and they tune into Blizzard / GSL's biggest year end tournament, and they see ... that. Really an embarrassment to be honest. | ||
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