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Come on, everyone's just going in circles. I think that most of us agree that GOM PROBABLY changed the rules before Providence, but just didn't (forgot to) tell anybody. Or maybe they thought it was obvious (making the classic mistake of proof reading your own rules with a full understanding of them already, and not understanding why it would be confusing for someone who was reading them for the first time). Or maybe because they agreed with MLG beforehand that they can change the syetem, thought they didn't need to? We don't know, all we can do is speculate. It's probably best to give it a few days and see if GOM has anything to say about it.
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People are still going on about this? Everything that can be said has basically already been said. It is really sad to see this going, because everyone is just going in one giant circle.
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On December 17 2011 00:45 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 00:35 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:33 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:26 eshlow wrote:
1. Naniwa is being punished by GOM for being unprofessional. I think most of all of us agree that this is likely necessary. However, it has no bearing on the other points within the discussion, at least until you consider them as a whole.
2a. If GOM changed format before MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. This is unprofessional.
2b. If GOM changed format after MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. However, since they are changing an agreement AFTER the agreement has been fulfilled on the other end, this is even more blatantly unprofessional. In fact, this can even be considered a bait and switch which is illegal.
3. Now, the other issue is did MLG fulfill their end of the bargain. From what I have seen the answer is yes. At every MLG koreans were funded and seeded into pool play. At Providence since there is no pool play, any koreans that come are seeded to the merits of their previous accomplishments at previous MLG's. This does not break any rules as we have come to know them as stipulated by the exchange program.
Therefore, by all accounts and purposes GOM is acting unilaterally here by being unprofessional: they never informed their partner MLG about the change in code S status, nor the foreign fans, nor the players.
This is hypocritical because they are punishing Naniwa for being unprofessional.
I don't see how anyone can argue that this is not the case. 1. GOM changed format before MLG Providence, and told everyone 2. "MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition. These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool." Are you telling me that this happened? GOM did not tell everyone. Otherwise Naniwa wouldn't have thought he had a code S spot they day he was interviewed at the blizzard cup. Nor would MLG make this statement that they thought a S spot still existed. Please stop quoting and replying with this until you link something to the effect of GOM informing the communities involved. GOM's announcement of new format for 2012 http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740
At no point in this article was the way foreigner Code S spots were awarded. Bringing up this announcement does nothing to help your case
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On December 17 2011 01:10 skipgamer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 01:08 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:01 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 00:58 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:47 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:45 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:35 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:33 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:26 eshlow wrote:
1. Naniwa is being punished by GOM for being unprofessional. I think most of all of us agree that this is likely necessary. However, it has no bearing on the other points within the discussion, at least until you consider them as a whole.
2a. If GOM changed format before MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. This is unprofessional.
2b. If GOM changed format after MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. However, since they are changing an agreement AFTER the agreement has been fulfilled on the other end, this is even more blatantly unprofessional. In fact, this can even be considered a bait and switch which is illegal.
3. Now, the other issue is did MLG fulfill their end of the bargain. From what I have seen the answer is yes. At every MLG koreans were funded and seeded into pool play. At Providence since there is no pool play, any koreans that come are seeded to the merits of their previous accomplishments at previous MLG's. This does not break any rules as we have come to know them as stipulated by the exchange program.
Therefore, by all accounts and purposes GOM is acting unilaterally here by being unprofessional: they never informed their partner MLG about the change in code S status, nor the foreign fans, nor the players.
This is hypocritical because they are punishing Naniwa for being unprofessional.
I don't see how anyone can argue that this is not the case. 1. GOM changed format before MLG Providence, and told everyone 2. "MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition. These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool." Are you telling me that this happened? GOM did not tell everyone. Otherwise Naniwa wouldn't have thought he had a code S spot they day he was interviewed at the blizzard cup. Nor would MLG make this statement that they thought a S spot still existed. Please stop quoting and replying with this until you link something to the effect of GOM informing the communities involved. GOM's announcement of new format for 2012 http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740 Nowhere does that state that Providence will no longer reward code S. There is no mention of MLG, and you just assume that it would be there? Of course people would assume they would be there, because MLG did!!! Neither MLG nor GSL stated anywhere that there was no GSL code S seed. And in fact MLG stated on many occasions that there was, so why would anyone question it? You believed what MLG told you and it turned out to be not true. Clearly, GSL must be held responsible. No-no! I never said that! I actually made a post a while back saying there is a chance this could even be MLG's fault. But either way, the discussion is a stand-still until there is any further news or new insight. I'm sure we can all agree on that at least. (which is why I was surprised to see you still posting about how GSL announced the change to foreigners, which they clearly didn't, besides that one image announcing their format.)
My point is that they did announce it. An announcement is an announcement. Is an announcement less true if it is short?
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On December 17 2011 01:15 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 01:10 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 01:08 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:01 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 00:58 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:47 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:45 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:35 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:33 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:26 eshlow wrote:
1. Naniwa is being punished by GOM for being unprofessional. I think most of all of us agree that this is likely necessary. However, it has no bearing on the other points within the discussion, at least until you consider them as a whole.
2a. If GOM changed format before MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. This is unprofessional.
2b. If GOM changed format after MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. However, since they are changing an agreement AFTER the agreement has been fulfilled on the other end, this is even more blatantly unprofessional. In fact, this can even be considered a bait and switch which is illegal.
3. Now, the other issue is did MLG fulfill their end of the bargain. From what I have seen the answer is yes. At every MLG koreans were funded and seeded into pool play. At Providence since there is no pool play, any koreans that come are seeded to the merits of their previous accomplishments at previous MLG's. This does not break any rules as we have come to know them as stipulated by the exchange program.
Therefore, by all accounts and purposes GOM is acting unilaterally here by being unprofessional: they never informed their partner MLG about the change in code S status, nor the foreign fans, nor the players.
This is hypocritical because they are punishing Naniwa for being unprofessional.
I don't see how anyone can argue that this is not the case. 1. GOM changed format before MLG Providence, and told everyone 2. "MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition. These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool." Are you telling me that this happened? GOM did not tell everyone. Otherwise Naniwa wouldn't have thought he had a code S spot they day he was interviewed at the blizzard cup. Nor would MLG make this statement that they thought a S spot still existed. Please stop quoting and replying with this until you link something to the effect of GOM informing the communities involved. GOM's announcement of new format for 2012 http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740 Nowhere does that state that Providence will no longer reward code S. There is no mention of MLG, and you just assume that it would be there? Of course people would assume they would be there, because MLG did!!! Neither MLG nor GSL stated anywhere that there was no GSL code S seed. And in fact MLG stated on many occasions that there was, so why would anyone question it? You believed what MLG told you and it turned out to be not true. Clearly, GSL must be held responsible. No-no! I never said that! I actually made a post a while back saying there is a chance this could even be MLG's fault. But either way, the discussion is a stand-still until there is any further news or new insight. I'm sure we can all agree on that at least. (which is why I was surprised to see you still posting about how GSL announced the change to foreigners, which they clearly didn't, besides that one image announcing their format.) My point is that they did announce it. An announcement is an announcement. Is an announcement less true if it is short?
An announcement is less true if it doesn't get to your target audience.
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On December 17 2011 01:15 hmsrenown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 00:45 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:35 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:33 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:26 eshlow wrote:
1. Naniwa is being punished by GOM for being unprofessional. I think most of all of us agree that this is likely necessary. However, it has no bearing on the other points within the discussion, at least until you consider them as a whole.
2a. If GOM changed format before MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. This is unprofessional.
2b. If GOM changed format after MLG Providence, they SHOULD still tell everyone (MLG, foreign fans, players) involved that changing the format affects the Code S spot that was originally supposed to go to the top 3 non-code S player that the format is changed and that they would not win code S at providence. However, since they are changing an agreement AFTER the agreement has been fulfilled on the other end, this is even more blatantly unprofessional. In fact, this can even be considered a bait and switch which is illegal.
3. Now, the other issue is did MLG fulfill their end of the bargain. From what I have seen the answer is yes. At every MLG koreans were funded and seeded into pool play. At Providence since there is no pool play, any koreans that come are seeded to the merits of their previous accomplishments at previous MLG's. This does not break any rules as we have come to know them as stipulated by the exchange program.
Therefore, by all accounts and purposes GOM is acting unilaterally here by being unprofessional: they never informed their partner MLG about the change in code S status, nor the foreign fans, nor the players.
This is hypocritical because they are punishing Naniwa for being unprofessional.
I don't see how anyone can argue that this is not the case. 1. GOM changed format before MLG Providence, and told everyone 2. "MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition. These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool." Are you telling me that this happened? GOM did not tell everyone. Otherwise Naniwa wouldn't have thought he had a code S spot they day he was interviewed at the blizzard cup. Nor would MLG make this statement that they thought a S spot still existed. Please stop quoting and replying with this until you link something to the effect of GOM informing the communities involved. GOM's announcement of new format for 2012 http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740 At no point in this article was the way foreigner Code S spots were awarded. Bringing up this announcement does nothing to help your case
I didn't say that the article say the way code s seeds are decided.
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I don't understand how there can be so much judgment without waiting for further statements from MLG and GSL. Everything depends on what those two companies have to say about it. If there's no further statements, well then I guess that speaks for itself.
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On December 17 2011 01:17 ScareCrow` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 01:15 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:10 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 01:08 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:01 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 00:58 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:47 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:45 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:35 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:33 NHY wrote:
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1. GOM changed format before MLG Providence, and told everyone
2. "MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition. These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool." Are you telling me that this happened? GOM did not tell everyone. Otherwise Naniwa wouldn't have thought he had a code S spot they day he was interviewed at the blizzard cup. Nor would MLG make this statement that they thought a S spot still existed. Please stop quoting and replying with this until you link something to the effect of GOM informing the communities involved. GOM's announcement of new format for 2012 http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740 Nowhere does that state that Providence will no longer reward code S. There is no mention of MLG, and you just assume that it would be there? Of course people would assume they would be there, because MLG did!!! Neither MLG nor GSL stated anywhere that there was no GSL code S seed. And in fact MLG stated on many occasions that there was, so why would anyone question it? You believed what MLG told you and it turned out to be not true. Clearly, GSL must be held responsible. No-no! I never said that! I actually made a post a while back saying there is a chance this could even be MLG's fault. But either way, the discussion is a stand-still until there is any further news or new insight. I'm sure we can all agree on that at least. (which is why I was surprised to see you still posting about how GSL announced the change to foreigners, which they clearly didn't, besides that one image announcing their format.) My point is that they did announce it. An announcement is an announcement. Is an announcement less true if it is short? An announcement is less true if it doesn't get to your target audience.
Did you not know that there are 2 Code S seeds in 2012? It did get to the target audience.
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On December 17 2011 01:11 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 01:01 Fjodorov wrote:
According to NHY the whole world should know that this "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement." is a part of MLG/GOMs contract. Come on... I guess you believe that we all must know that "MLG/GSL contract can never be changed"?
Seriously guys, just stop arguing with him. He is definitely trolling at this point. There is NO WAY that he can be serious with that.
Who, in this world, would think that "MLG SHOULD HAVE ASKED AFTER EACH PRO-CIRCUIT IF GSL WAS REALLY GIVING THE WINNER A SEED, EACH DAY AFTER THE EVENT, JUST TO BE SURE!" Instead of "GOMTV should make sure that everyone is having the same informations concerning the modification of their rules, especially their partners, and not just their korean fans."
Don't act like GomTV did not knew that we was thinking that. Everyone knew. It was every where on GomTV forum, TL forum and MLG forum... it was even on MLG annoncement. And COE of MLG, Sundance, tweeted that Providence was part of the deal when they made it. I don't know what more you need.
Now, please, stop trolling us with falacious points and idiotic turns of phrase.
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On December 17 2011 01:19 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 01:17 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 01:15 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:10 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 01:08 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:01 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 00:58 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:47 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 00:45 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:35 ScareCrow` wrote:
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GOM did not tell everyone. Otherwise Naniwa wouldn't have thought he had a code S spot they day he was interviewed at the blizzard cup. Nor would MLG make this statement that they thought a S spot still existed. Please stop quoting and replying with this until you link something to the effect of GOM informing the communities involved.
GOM's announcement of new format for 2012 http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740 Nowhere does that state that Providence will no longer reward code S. There is no mention of MLG, and you just assume that it would be there? Of course people would assume they would be there, because MLG did!!! Neither MLG nor GSL stated anywhere that there was no GSL code S seed. And in fact MLG stated on many occasions that there was, so why would anyone question it? You believed what MLG told you and it turned out to be not true. Clearly, GSL must be held responsible. No-no! I never said that! I actually made a post a while back saying there is a chance this could even be MLG's fault. But either way, the discussion is a stand-still until there is any further news or new insight. I'm sure we can all agree on that at least. (which is why I was surprised to see you still posting about how GSL announced the change to foreigners, which they clearly didn't, besides that one image announcing their format.) My point is that they did announce it. An announcement is an announcement. Is an announcement less true if it is short? An announcement is less true if it doesn't get to your target audience. Did you not know that there are 2 Code S seeds in 2012? It did get to the target audience.
I'm giving up trying to help you understand where we are coming from. If you go to the thread on team liquid where we discussed what the 2 Code S seeds meant, you would understand that there was a lot of confusion and general consensus that MLG still fit in there somewhere since it is the only thing we knew to have Code S seeding at the time.
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On December 17 2011 01:19 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 01:11 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:01 Fjodorov wrote:
According to NHY the whole world should know that this "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement." is a part of MLG/GOMs contract. Come on... I guess you believe that we all must know that "MLG/GSL contract can never be changed"? Seriously guys, just stop arguing with him. He is definitely trolling at this point. There is NO WAY that he can be serious with that. Who, in this world, would think that "MLG SHOULD HAVE ASKED AFTER EACH PRO-CIRCUIT IF GSL WAS REALLY GIVING THE WINNER A SEED, EACH DAY AFTER THE EVENT, JUST TO BE SURE!" Instead of "GOMTV should make sure that everyone is having the same informations concerning the modification of their rules, especially their partners, and not just their korean fans." Don't act like GomTV did not knew that we was thinking that. Everyone knew. It was every where on GomTV forum, TL forum and MLG forum... it was even on MLG annoncement. And COE of MLG, Sundance, tweeted that Providence was part of the deal when they made it. I don't know what more you need. Now, please, stop trolling us with falacious points and idiotic turns of phrase.
Either you didn't read some/any of my posts, or you are just making things up.
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On December 17 2011 01:22 ScareCrow` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 01:19 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:17 ScareCrow` wrote:On December 17 2011 01:15 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:10 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 01:08 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 01:01 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 00:58 NHY wrote:On December 17 2011 00:47 ScareCrow` wrote:Nowhere does that state that Providence will no longer reward code S. There is no mention of MLG, and you just assume that it would be there? Of course people would assume they would be there, because MLG did!!! Neither MLG nor GSL stated anywhere that there was no GSL code S seed. And in fact MLG stated on many occasions that there was, so why would anyone question it? You believed what MLG told you and it turned out to be not true. Clearly, GSL must be held responsible. No-no! I never said that! I actually made a post a while back saying there is a chance this could even be MLG's fault. But either way, the discussion is a stand-still until there is any further news or new insight. I'm sure we can all agree on that at least. (which is why I was surprised to see you still posting about how GSL announced the change to foreigners, which they clearly didn't, besides that one image announcing their format.) My point is that they did announce it. An announcement is an announcement. Is an announcement less true if it is short? An announcement is less true if it doesn't get to your target audience. Did you not know that there are 2 Code S seeds in 2012? It did get to the target audience. I'm giving up trying to help you understand where we are coming from. If you go to the thread on team liquid where we discussed what the 2 Code S seeds meant, you would understand that there was a lot of confusion and general consensus that MLG still fit in there somewhere since it is the only thing we knew to have Code S seeding at the time.
I know what you are talking about. I was there too. I know that people were confused and the consensus was that MLG was probably one of the seeds and people were guessing what the other one would go to.
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Listening to LO3 to get Naniwa's opinion on this particular matter...
Wheat: Do you feel like that (this topic) is going back on what you were told about the code S seed?
Naniwa: The GSL never said that they would give me a code S seed, but, MLG wrote it on their home-page, that I did qualify for code S, and a lot of other web pages did too. That is why I was very, very confused. I don't feel it was GSL going back on their word, rather, I don't know if MLG went back on their word either. I'm just very confused about the situation since it said on many pages that I did qualify, and an admin told me I did at MLG, and so on.
Was hoping for some light to be shed there, but even Naniwa was confused lol. I guess that he wasn't told he was given a code S seed by GSL is a good thing... But it's a fair bit of egg-on-face for both companies that neither knew wtf was going on.
( oh and slasher says "he doesn't know shit." )
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If the new format would reward a Code S spot from MLG it would have been mentioned on their page announcing the new format (with the big diagram).
Yes, they probably should have written a sentence saying there would be no more Code S seed given from MLG, but by paying attention to the diagram, you can see that there obviously isnt! Because it CLEARLY showed where all the 32 Code S spots are coming from, and none of them are from MLG.
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The post went from:
GOM is lying, they are making things up
GOM didn't lie but changed rules after NaNiwa won
GOM didn't lie and changed rules before NaNiwa won, but didn't tell anyone
GOM didn't lie, changed rules before NaNiwa won, told eveyone, but their statement is vague.
The lost point I actually agree. GOM should've said it with less ambiguity.
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Gom shot its own foot.
Why don't just say that it is a punishment at the first place? Then all these so called code S spot issue won't be brought up. This is the problem when you constantly change your tournament format. That's not good either.
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On December 17 2011 01:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't understand how there can be so much judgment without waiting for further statements from MLG and GSL. Everything depends on what those two companies have to say about it. If there's no further statements, well then I guess that speaks for itself.
I think it would be a good move by both companies to make a statement, either joint or otherwise to clear up the situation. Looking through this thread (and some others, even this reddit page) there are many people who don't understand the situation even in the slightest, and are upset, claiming to not pay for future content, threatening to contact sponsors of events for their perceived wrong-doings, etc.
Given the way topics like this have the ability to gather momentum, I can only imagine it being in all parties best interests to hit it on the head now and put the entire issue to rest. Not only to save face to the community, but also to show that there is still a strong united front between the leading Foreign and Korean SC2 e-sports entertainment companies.
Sundance recently said in his interviews that there are chances for GSL/MLG to work together in the future, with their plans to set-up more regional events world-wide, and issues like this could sour relations moving forward.
Either way, far be it from me, or the community as a whole to demand an explanation, as really it is none of our business and could easily be handled internally or forgotten about, it was just a very interesting topic. Even I thought at first glance that GOM were pulling a fast one on the foreign community, although when looking in to it (and thanks to this thread) it clearly turned out otherwise.
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On December 16 2011 06:54 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:51 s4life wrote:On December 16 2011 06:28 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 06:23 s4life wrote:On December 16 2011 06:17 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 06:14 s4life wrote:On December 16 2011 06:07 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 06:05 Ghola wrote:On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.
I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand. There are ways for Gom to punish Naniwa without breaking their agreements with MLG. The MLG press release in the original post specifically says that GOM was within their rights to act as they did. Thus, the did not break their agreement at all--this was in the contract to begin with. Are you fucking kidding me??? If an organizer offers you a certain prize and announces it publicly, and then when you win tells you the prize is not what he/she promised you because of a fine print in page 500 of a contract he signed with a third party, what would you do?? I guess if you are not worked up about it, the natural thing to say would be "oh well, that's what I get for dealing with crooks and liars" .. this is something you'd never expect from an organization that is trying to market themselves as professional and ethical. Uh, so are you arguing that MLG broke their promise to Naniwa then? MLG is coming clean by shrewdly exerting all the blame on GOM, they claim GOM changed the contract unilaterally and without previous notice... the truth? I guess we'll wait for GOM's announcement. Still, I think MLG tried to play nice with GOM by making it look like if they have the right to change anything in the contract unilaterally... I mean, really? could GOM just say sorry no code A, code S for anybody and MLG be ok with that??? I seriously doubt it, it seems more likely that they are both just colluding to fuck up Naniwa coz they know he's a sitting duck right now. I know your ID says Peru, and its possible english isn't your first language (although you speak fine), but I have to nitpick here: GOM did not change the contract unilaterally. In fact, they did not change the contract at all. They took actions which both sides agree were within their rights under the contract. If you are instead suggesting that GOM's actions were not within the contract, and that both GOM and MLG are lying, based upon a contract that you have not seen... Well, that is a large leap of logic. Both parties that have actually seen the contract say that it was not violated. Because I have not seen the contract, I will take their word. Well sure, I don't know what contract says and neither do you. You are assuming both parties are operating in good faith and I have my doubts. GOM, as per MLG's statement can adjust placement without telling MLG about it. Does it mean GOM could switch code S and A for code A and B or get the 5 players that won code A and put them in another online tournament? Would MLG be ok with that? How would that work if Idra had won code S in providence and MLG would be like 'just kidding man, no code S was ever on the line, but if you make the GOM execs happy, they might give you one'. The reason i am doubtful is, the legal language that would allow GOM to place Naniwa in a different tournament and not do any of the things above-mentioned would simply be contradictory. I don't know--I could think of language pretty easily. "A player who finishes in the top 3 of MLG shall earn a spot in a future GSL Code S tournament, GSL Arena of Legends tournament, GSL Blizzard Cup tournament, or an equivalent tournament." There--language drafted. Can't trade it for Code A or Code B. That wasn't so hard?
Blizzard cup was announced in August 2011, as a result of a partnership between GOM and Blizzard. The MLG exchange program dates back to the beginning of 2011.
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this thing still going on? hand this matter to CHUCK NORRIS. HE will decide their fates.
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Trying to clarify what has happened is quite reasonable, I think. It's nice to know whether the company I gave money (and credit-card details) is trustworthy.
If not for 'citizen-journalism' of uncovering all the different posts, all we would have would be two vague, contradictory statements that would tell us exactly nothing.
And as someone who can't help but get a little pissed off when the powerful gets away with murder (yes, that's colloquial), I couldn't help myself.
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