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On December 16 2011 21:31 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:10 LION` wrote:On December 16 2011 12:57 jinorazi wrote:On December 16 2011 12:52 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:50 jinorazi wrote:On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing  Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after. i think you're making it a bigger deal than it actually is. especially when people are connecting it with naniwa. you're making it like they actually changed the prize pool, which would be significant but its not the same. So rewards to player performance in tournaments should be generally held subject to change, and tournament organizer's judgement will suffice on evaluating significance? depending on the situation, yes. in this case, the change was for the better. according earlier post, blizzard cup's seeding changed after blizzard cup's announcement (this was for the better also), where was everyone then? just saying, this is getting extra attention because of naniwa, not because changing rules are evil. Are you for real? I dont know how you to it over at Korea but you cant.just.change.rules.after.tournament. We call it SCAM. You're missing the whole fucking point. None gives a damn that it was Naniwa, what really upsets people is that it could have been any other player out there. IdrA, DRG, Leenock, HuK, Thorzain, who the hell you can imagine. Do you get the point? It's like you agree to a job and the boss tells you you're good enough to get 4k dollar per month, but at the end of the month when you have agreed the employment and worked for a whole month the boss tells you that you're only getting half. That's a fucking scam. And we got the exact same issue here. We don't give a damn if you can scam people because its legal and they have the right to do so by papers. What we really give a damn about is that the biggest SC2 league can't act professional. The point is that it was changed before the tournament.
Prove it? MLG says it was changed after the tournament, GSL says it was changed before the tournament but they didn't tell anyone, not even the player it affected (he thought he was seeded in code S.)
For all practical purposes it was changed after the tournament, the only people who knew it was changed before the tournament was GOM. Which if what you are saying is true (they knew there was no code S seed up for grab, but didn't tell anyone), is WORSE than changing it AFTER the tournament!!!
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VVV I think we have arrived at the crux of this argument. I'd love for someone to explain this.
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On December 16 2011 21:31 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:10 LION` wrote:On December 16 2011 12:57 jinorazi wrote:On December 16 2011 12:52 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:50 jinorazi wrote:On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after. i think you're making it a bigger deal than it actually is. especially when people are connecting it with naniwa. you're making it like they actually changed the prize pool, which would be significant but its not the same. So rewards to player performance in tournaments should be generally held subject to change, and tournament organizer's judgement will suffice on evaluating significance? depending on the situation, yes. in this case, the change was for the better. according earlier post, blizzard cup's seeding changed after blizzard cup's announcement (this was for the better also), where was everyone then? just saying, this is getting extra attention because of naniwa, not because changing rules are evil. Are you for real? I dont know how you to it over at Korea but you cant.just.change.rules.after.tournament. We call it SCAM. You're missing the whole fucking point. None gives a damn that it was Naniwa, what really upsets people is that it could have been any other player out there. IdrA, DRG, Leenock, HuK, Thorzain, who the hell you can imagine. Do you get the point? It's like you agree to a job and the boss tells you you're good enough to get 4k dollar per month, but at the end of the month when you have agreed the employment and worked for a whole month the boss tells you that you're only getting half. That's a fucking scam. And we got the exact same issue here. We don't give a damn if you can scam people because its legal and they have the right to do so by papers. What we really give a damn about is that the biggest SC2 league can't act professional. The point is that it was changed before the tournament.
I have yet to see any valid source to this. I have seen dates in late november which all was after the MLG, and the official statement over at 10th decemeber. Also after Providence.
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On December 16 2011 21:24 jianming wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:18 sodapop wrote:
Changing prizes retroactively is very far from okay. it was changed before providence
If you don't tell MLG about it, it doesn't count as changing. It counts as creating a loophole that you can exploit later.
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No! The GSL changes were announced back in October, because GSL November was already played out in the New System. If everybody (incl. MLG) had made a close look onto their scheme, he would've noted, that there wasn't any MLG spot going into Code S anymore. So everyone could at least have been suspicious.
BUT, of course it's up to GOM to make a clear announcement, that they changed it, or at least tell MLG, that they did.
Very disappointing!
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On December 16 2011 21:34 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:24 jianming wrote:On December 16 2011 21:18 sodapop wrote:
Changing prizes retroactively is very far from okay. it was changed before providence If you don't tell MLG about it, it doesn't count as changing. It counts as creating a loophole that you can exploit later.
More like creating a loophole that you say you created before and then exploit now.
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GOM told everyone that it was changed. What part of "New GSL format for 2012" don't you get.
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On December 16 2011 21:41 NHY wrote:
GOM told everyone that it was changed. What part of "New GSL format for 2012" don't you get.
When? I'm sorry, was it before MLG Providence?
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On December 16 2011 21:42 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:41 NHY wrote:
GOM told everyone that it was changed. What part of "New GSL format for 2012" don't you get. When? I'm sorry, was it before MLG Providence?
Here's the self-quote
On December 16 2011 14:57 NHY wrote:Few things I'd like to point out. 1. GSL's 2012 format change was announced at the beginning of GSL Nov, which kicked off on October 27th. This was in between MLG Orlando and MLG Providence. This announcement stated that there would be 2 "sponsor seeds" in 2012. It has been stated by GOM that one of the reasons for these seeds were to facilitate the interconnectedness between GSL and other foreign tournaments, such as MLG, IPL, or IEM. 2. People have asked GOM whether NaNiwa's 2nd place in MLG Providence means that he would be getting Code S seed. GOM's response at the time was that it had not been decided yet and they will announce as soon as they decide what to do. This point had been covered by TIG news at the time as well. There hasn't been another announcement regarding this issue until the announcement of Idra/Sen.
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Sigh, but in MLG's statement they specifically and clearly state that:
+ Show Spoiler +the Top 3 from each MLG Pro Circuit event in 2011, including Providence, who did not already have Code S status would be granted Code S status at GSL for one season.
Gom never reneged on this agreement.
If as you say, they have known from October that this did not include providence, but did not inform anyone (other than some ambiguous text in an image explaining their new format), that is even worse than changing their agreement retroactively. That is indeed fraud.
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On December 16 2011 21:45 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:42 justinpal wrote:On December 16 2011 21:41 NHY wrote:
GOM told everyone that it was changed. What part of "New GSL format for 2012" don't you get. When? I'm sorry, was it before MLG Providence? Here's the self-quote Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 14:57 NHY wrote:Few things I'd like to point out. 1. GSL's 2012 format change was announced at the beginning of GSL Nov, which kicked off on October 27th. This was in between MLG Orlando and MLG Providence. This announcement stated that there would be 2 "sponsor seeds" in 2012. It has been stated by GOM that one of the reasons for these seeds were to facilitate the interconnectedness between GSL and other foreign tournaments, such as MLG, IPL, or IEM. 2. People have asked GOM whether NaNiwa's 2nd place in MLG Providence means that he would be getting Code S seed. GOM's response at the time was that it had not been decided yet and they will announce as soon as they decide what to do. This point had been covered by TIG news at the time as well. There hasn't been another announcement regarding this issue until the announcement of Idra/Sen.
Thanks, you should get that in the OP. I was assuming he was updating, but it still says "unclear when." I still think there are problems, but I just won't watch GSL anymore.
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On December 16 2011 05:04 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +This is going to be posted on our site a little later today but I thought I'd start here since a lot of the speculation is coming from r/starcraft
Statement below-
The original agreement between MLG and GSL through the League Exchange Program (LXP) stated that the highest ranked player in the Top 3 from each MLG Pro Circuit event in 2011, including Providence, who did not already have Code S status would be granted Code S status at GSL for one season.
With the recently announced changes to the 2012 GSL season, GSL switched the MLG Providence Code S invite to two spots at the GSL Blizzard Cup. Naniwa was awarded one of these spots. Unfortunately, the change was made without notification to MLG, but it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement.
-sd quote from reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ne2jh/mlg_official_statement_as_requested/same statement now on MLG site: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/official-mlg-statement-regarding-the-naniwa-code-s-issueUpdate: The statement on the MLG site apparently is slightly different. The addition is marked bold. I find this a bit weird. I found the annoucement of Blizzard Cup by GOM on October 6th. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272406This was way before the annoucement of the 2012 season and the eventual removal of the Code S spot. At least this is a huge communication mistake. Clarification: The changes were made before Blizzard Cup (unclear, if before Providence). So removing the Code S spot had nothing to do with the Naniwa incident during Blizzard Cup.
3 days ago GOM were saying it was because of Naniwa's actions his chance was revoked, and now they're saying it was actually planned months ago? Wow more lies to come i assume
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On December 16 2011 21:45 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:42 justinpal wrote:On December 16 2011 21:41 NHY wrote:
GOM told everyone that it was changed. What part of "New GSL format for 2012" don't you get. When? I'm sorry, was it before MLG Providence? Here's the self-quote Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 14:57 NHY wrote:Few things I'd like to point out. 1. GSL's 2012 format change was announced at the beginning of GSL Nov, which kicked off on October 27th. This was in between MLG Orlando and MLG Providence. This announcement stated that there would be 2 "sponsor seeds" in 2012. It has been stated by GOM that one of the reasons for these seeds were to facilitate the interconnectedness between GSL and other foreign tournaments, such as MLG, IPL, or IEM. 2. People have asked GOM whether NaNiwa's 2nd place in MLG Providence means that he would be getting Code S seed. GOM's response at the time was that it had not been decided yet and they will announce as soon as they decide what to do. This point had been covered by TIG news at the time as well. There hasn't been another announcement regarding this issue until the announcement of Idra/Sen.
For the love of god, that's from November 21, a day after the competition, and it's on some random Korean news site. Regardless of the date, they were never in a position to say "eh, we haven't decided yet" without making it known to MLG that they were in fact not living up to their part of the agreement.
They may well be in the clear legally, but what they did was completely and utterly unethical.
Any arguments over what Naniwa did is pointless. Even the argument over the severity of the punishment is pointless. The argument should be concerned with the fact that the punishment was completely and utterly unscrupulous disregard to public promises.
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On December 16 2011 05:07 zeru wrote:
So basically MLG Providence code S prize was an unintentional bait and switch, made by GOM? wtf.
Bait and switches are illegal, in the US at least i think. This is not ok by GOM.
GOM punishes naniwa for being unprofessional. GOM does something way way way worse, lies and scams, and don't tell their partners about any changes regarding their exchange program agreement while MLG pays for 4 koreans to come to providence. Whos unprofessional now?
Having a prize pool change after a tournament has been played is NOT acceptable, and of course I'm not blaming MLG for this in any way.
You just like to make drama don't you 
True it's a bad communication from GOM only about that you are correct.
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On December 16 2011 21:51 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:07 zeru wrote:
So basically MLG Providence code S prize was an unintentional bait and switch, made by GOM? wtf.
Bait and switches are illegal, in the US at least i think. This is not ok by GOM.
GOM punishes naniwa for being unprofessional. GOM does something way way way worse, lies and scams, and don't tell their partners about any changes regarding their exchange program agreement while MLG pays for 4 koreans to come to providence. Whos unprofessional now?
Having a prize pool change after a tournament has been played is NOT acceptable, and of course I'm not blaming MLG for this in any way. You just like to make drama don't you True it's a bad communication from GOM only about that you are correct.
Okay, cool, I'll start a tournament with a 10 000 dollar grand prize.
After someone wins, I'll give them 10 000 Zimbabwean dollars and claim it was "bad communication".
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On December 16 2011 21:51 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:45 NHY wrote:On December 16 2011 21:42 justinpal wrote:On December 16 2011 21:41 NHY wrote:
GOM told everyone that it was changed. What part of "New GSL format for 2012" don't you get. When? I'm sorry, was it before MLG Providence? Here's the self-quote On December 16 2011 14:57 NHY wrote:Few things I'd like to point out. 1. GSL's 2012 format change was announced at the beginning of GSL Nov, which kicked off on October 27th. This was in between MLG Orlando and MLG Providence. This announcement stated that there would be 2 "sponsor seeds" in 2012. It has been stated by GOM that one of the reasons for these seeds were to facilitate the interconnectedness between GSL and other foreign tournaments, such as MLG, IPL, or IEM. 2. People have asked GOM whether NaNiwa's 2nd place in MLG Providence means that he would be getting Code S seed. GOM's response at the time was that it had not been decided yet and they will announce as soon as they decide what to do. This point had been covered by TIG news at the time as well. There hasn't been another announcement regarding this issue until the announcement of Idra/Sen. For the love of god, that's from November 21, a day after the competition, and it's on some random Korean news site. Regardless of the date, they were never in a position to say "eh, we haven't decided yet" without making it known to MLG that they were in fact not living up to their part of the agreement. They may well be in the clear legally, but what they did was completely and utterly unethical. Any arguments over what Naniwa did is pointless. Even the argument over the severity of the punishment is pointless. The argument should be concerned with the fact that the punishment was completely and utterly unscrupulous disregard to public promises.
The news article was not written after the tournament. It was written when NaNiwa made winners bracket final.
It seems that GOM didn't tell MLG specifically, but they did announce the change publicly.
Edit: The part where "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement" is also the part of the agreement.
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On December 16 2011 21:32 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 15:55 FishForThought wrote:Don't make it sound like this is far fetched and unprecedented. Even in real athletes, people get banned from 'violating spirit of fair play' 4. Ara Abrahamian – Sweden
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Unlike many other athletes on the list, Abrahamian wasn’t found to be doing illegal things. He wasn’t using steroids to enhance his performance or breaking any other serious offense like most athletes on the list. At the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, Abrahamian was up against tough opponents. After the judges finalized their scores, Abrahamian only came in third. However, he and his coach both disputed the scores and claimed the judges were being corrupt and unjust. The two called for a review of the match but this was declined. Come time for the awards ceremony, Abrahamian attended, but when he was handed his bronze medal, he shook the hands of the others, stepped off the podium, and placed it on the wrestling mat. He then chose to leave without his medal. Because of the incident, the IOC held a conference and decided that Abrahamian needed to be suspended for violating the spirit of fair play. He and his coach were to be banned for 2 years, but this was overturned in 2009.
Source: http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-athletes-who-lost-their-olympic-medal.phpI am glad GOM is treating the players like real athletes and the game as a real sport. You want esports to be like the olympics and IOC? Do some research, you dont have to go far, and you will find that it has been riddled with corruption scandals.
I also like how the supposed "fair" ban was overturned in 2009....... there is probably a good reason it got overturned....
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Naniwa must feel like absolute shit right now. Because he didn't think to ask GOM refs to forfeit the match officially, he's caused so much drama. MLG/GSL partnership might be in trouble, his "fans" are asking sponsors to pull out of the league he dreams to win and he's lost the chance to get a head start in Code S come 2012. He'd have his Code S spot otherwise and the fact that GOM changed the seeding format would make absolutely no difference. It truly is so fucking sad. Hope this guy practices hard, re-qualifies and shows he can compete with all his heart next year.
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On December 16 2011 21:57 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 21:51 yeint wrote:On December 16 2011 21:45 NHY wrote:On December 16 2011 21:42 justinpal wrote:On December 16 2011 21:41 NHY wrote:
GOM told everyone that it was changed. What part of "New GSL format for 2012" don't you get. When? I'm sorry, was it before MLG Providence? Here's the self-quote On December 16 2011 14:57 NHY wrote:Few things I'd like to point out. 1. GSL's 2012 format change was announced at the beginning of GSL Nov, which kicked off on October 27th. This was in between MLG Orlando and MLG Providence. This announcement stated that there would be 2 "sponsor seeds" in 2012. It has been stated by GOM that one of the reasons for these seeds were to facilitate the interconnectedness between GSL and other foreign tournaments, such as MLG, IPL, or IEM. 2. People have asked GOM whether NaNiwa's 2nd place in MLG Providence means that he would be getting Code S seed. GOM's response at the time was that it had not been decided yet and they will announce as soon as they decide what to do. This point had been covered by TIG news at the time as well. There hasn't been another announcement regarding this issue until the announcement of Idra/Sen. For the love of god, that's from November 21, a day after the competition, and it's on some random Korean news site. Regardless of the date, they were never in a position to say "eh, we haven't decided yet" without making it known to MLG that they were in fact not living up to their part of the agreement. They may well be in the clear legally, but what they did was completely and utterly unethical. Any arguments over what Naniwa did is pointless. Even the argument over the severity of the punishment is pointless. The argument should be concerned with the fact that the punishment was completely and utterly unscrupulous disregard to public promises. The news article was not written after the tournament. It was written when NaNiwa made winners bracket final. It seems that GOM didn't tell MLG specifically, but they did announce the change publicly.
MLG are not supposed to ask GOM before every mlg pro circuit event if anything has changed. They will obviously act in accordance with the agreement untill GOM informs THEM that changes have been made. GOM failed to do so. And no, gom posting some graphics on their website about a format change cant be seen as informing MLG.
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On December 16 2011 21:57 NHY wrote:
The news article was not written after the tournament. It was written when NaNiwa made winners bracket final.
It seems that GOM didn't tell MLG specifically, but they did announce the change publicly.
Making the winners bracket final means he's the highest placing non-Code S player and that means he's earned Code S, no matter what. So they announced the change after Naniwa earned it.
Edit: The part where "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement" is also the part of the agreement.
I'm not claiming they're not legally allowed to do what they did. I'm claiming what they did is incredibly unethical.
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