|
On December 16 2011 04:20 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:10 Kazeyonoma wrote:Incase anyone missed this, but Sundance released an official statement regarding Providence Code S seed on reddit a few minutes ago: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ne2jh/mlg_official_statement_as_requested/
This is going to be posted on our site a little later today but I thought I'd start here since a lot of the speculation is coming from r/starcraft
Statement below-
The original agreement between MLG and GSL through the League Exchange Program (LXP) stated that the highest ranked player in the Top 3 from each MLG Pro Circuit event in 2011 who did not already have Code S status would be granted Code S status at GSL for one season.
With the announcement of the 2012 GSL season, their format changed and GSL changed the MLG Providence Code S invite to two spots at the GSL Blizzard Cup and Naniwa was awarded one of these spots. Unfortunately, the change was made without notification to MLG but it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement.
-sd
So MLG agrees that they wrongly announced Naniwa's code S, but largely due to a change in format of the GSL 2012 and lack of communication between the two organizations. You do not change things overnight (effectively stepping over previous "said" commitments, just because it doesn't fits the new schema) that's quite unprofessional. Anyway, more reasons to blame GOM instead of blaming Naniwa.
I see no reason to blame GOM, but I see a reason to criticize them and ask for better communication. The whole incident was caused by Naniwa, so I would blame him. But he did apologize.
|
On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I don't see how every single rule should be written black and white. Some of this stuff about professionalism should be common sense. You do not disrespect the tournament you play in/the opponent you play/ your sponsors by doing stuff like throwing a match.
Gom paid him to play 4matches, not 3 and throwing 1 and disrespecting their tournament.
His sponsors support him in his hobby for acting like a professional, not acting childish.
|
On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I agree with you one some parts. Still, we do not want to punish the little guy and yet have the big bad wolf walk out unharmed 
As I've said so far, the hole Naniwa stuff smells a lot and I cannot blame that guy for it, but when speaking about GOM, well there's another kind of meal, a juicy one.
|
On December 16 2011 04:26 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I don't see how every single rule should be written black and white. Some of this stuff about professionalism should be common sense. You do not disrespect the tournament you play in/the opponent you play/ your sponsors by doing stuff like throwing a match. Gom paid him to play 4matches, not 3 and throwing 1 and disrespecting their tournament. His sponsors support him in his hobby for acting like a professional, not acting childish.
Exactly. How many different ways are there to throw a game? Should they have to make a rule for each one? It's not even possible.
|
On December 16 2011 04:18 CallousCarter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:12 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 04:06 andis35 wrote:
It is not about whether he could win by doing this or not ( obviously not), but about the fact that GOMTV removed his spot without any legal reason. This means that they can simply ban somebody ( remove spot, whatever...) because they did not like how he played! Who are they to judge how players play, even if they do stupid shit ( Naniwa ) ? He maybe did it to have fun or entertain fans or gain popularity or whatever, there is no rule that states that you have to play to win the game, they (GOMTV) can not regulate how players play. Let's not use words like "legal." There aren't laws about who can or can't play in a tournament a person/company organizes. There may be contracts, but we aren't privy to those and don't know their contents. Who are they to judge? They are the ones who paid to organize the tournament and are paying the players. I would think that makes GOM *exactly* the party to judge. I know if I held a tournament or show-match on my stream, I would most certainly judge how much effort the players put into it, and invite people for my next tournament/show-match accordingly. Judging by MLGs statement GOM aren't being shady with their wording and Naniwa wasn't given a code s spot in the first place. However i don't think it's fair to insinuate Naniwa didn't put effort into the tournament, he clearly did put effort into the first 3 games. He didn't put effort into the last game when him and Nestea were already eliminated but i think that's relatively understandable.
Yeah, I solely meant Nani's 4th game. I am certainly not debating that he put in his all on each of the first 3 games--he did, and they were tough losses.
|
Exactly. How many different ways are there to throw a game? Should they have to make a rule for each one? It's not even possible.
Easier than you think.
"You are not allowed to throw a game on purpose. Gom will be the judge whether they think you intentionally did it or not"
Something like that should probably cover it.
|
On December 16 2011 04:06 andis35 wrote:
It is not about whether he could win by doing this or not ( obviously not), but about the fact that GOMTV removed his spot without any legal reason. This means that they can simply ban somebody ( remove spot, whatever...) because they did not like how he played! Who are they to judge how players play, even if they do stupid shit ( Naniwa ) ? He maybe did it to have fun or entertain fans or gain popularity or whatever, there is no rule that states that you have to play to win the game, they (GOMTV) can not regulate how players play.
And there's also no legal reason that says they can't ban someone for no reason if they want to.
|
On December 16 2011 04:28 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I agree with you one some parts. Still, we do not want to punish the little guy and yet have the big bad wolf walk out unharmed As I've said so far, the hole Naniwa stuff smells a lot and I cannot blame that guy for it, but when speaking about GOM, well there's another kind of meal, a juicy one.
No, not every rule has to be written out...
Conduct and good sportsmanship are something that you think would go without saying HOWEVER if Gom doesn't want to create a shitstorm (such as denying Nani his code S spot) it would be in their best interest to have such rules in place for the future.......
|
On December 16 2011 04:26 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I don't see how every single rule should be written black and white. Some of this stuff about professionalism should be common sense. You do not disrespect the tournament you play in/the opponent you play/ your sponsors by doing stuff like throwing a match. Gom paid him to play 4matches, not 3 and throwing 1 and disrespecting their tournament. His sponsors support him in his hobby for acting like a professional, not acting childish.
GOM do not pay any players but the ones that are entitled to (as in the "winners"). Naniwa for example (as the rest of 99% of players in that tournament) was there on their own effort
As for sponsors stuff, that might be a 3 edged word .. to many details unrelated to our topic.
|
Did you hear the announcers? how was that not exciting? & if you believe "any publicity is good publicity" & they have surely gained a lot of publicity from this incident.
I wonder if there will be rule changes... I don't think GOM feel there need to be when it's the team who should be taking action if anything, like they said.
|
On December 16 2011 04:33 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 Assirra wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I don't see how every single rule should be written black and white. Some of this stuff about professionalism should be common sense. You do not disrespect the tournament you play in/the opponent you play/ your sponsors by doing stuff like throwing a match. Gom paid him to play 4matches, not 3 and throwing 1 and disrespecting their tournament. His sponsors support him in his hobby for acting like a professional, not acting childish. GOM do not pay any players but the ones that are entitled to (as in the "winners"). Naniwa for example (as the rest of 99% of players in that tournament) was there on their own effort As for sponsors stuff, that might be a 3 edged word .. to many details unrelated to our topic.
I don't think you understand the money distribution for every single GOM tournament. Everyone who participated in the Blizzard Cup, and everyone who participates in Code S (and I believe Code A) gets money from GOM.
|
On December 16 2011 04:32 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:06 andis35 wrote:
It is not about whether he could win by doing this or not ( obviously not), but about the fact that GOMTV removed his spot without any legal reason. This means that they can simply ban somebody ( remove spot, whatever...) because they did not like how he played! Who are they to judge how players play, even if they do stupid shit ( Naniwa ) ? He maybe did it to have fun or entertain fans or gain popularity or whatever, there is no rule that states that you have to play to win the game, they (GOMTV) can not regulate how players play. And there's also no legal reason that says they can't ban someone for no reason if they want to.
As the broadcaster they have every right to do whatever they want.
That doesn't make what they are doing right and the eSports community should not stand for it.
Sundance is failing to deliver on their promise BECAUSE Gom is mincing words and/or failed to communicate the new format.
They failed to communicate to the players (you think Nani would have probe rushed had he known what would happen?) and they failed to communicate to MLG and the rest of the community.
We have every right to be upset and not support their decision.......
|
On December 16 2011 04:30 Luigy wrote:Show nested quote +Exactly. How many different ways are there to throw a game? Should they have to make a rule for each one? It's not even possible. Easier than you think. "You are not allowed to throw a game on purpose. Gom will be the judge whether they think you intentionally did it or not" Something like that should probably cover it.
But it's already not acting professional, who is willing to argue that a professional competitor should get in front of a crowd and just not play? It should be obvious, but now thanks to Naniwa, the obvious needs to be written down as a rule. They aren't setting up the stage and booths, drawing a crowd and sponsors, and charging to view the games, all so Naniwa can play at his leisure.
If you are running a staged production, you have to be *very* wary about who you let on state and how they will act. Ultimately gom is responsible for if games get played or not.
|
On December 16 2011 04:32 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:06 andis35 wrote:
It is not about whether he could win by doing this or not ( obviously not), but about the fact that GOMTV removed his spot without any legal reason. This means that they can simply ban somebody ( remove spot, whatever...) because they did not like how he played! Who are they to judge how players play, even if they do stupid shit ( Naniwa ) ? He maybe did it to have fun or entertain fans or gain popularity or whatever, there is no rule that states that you have to play to win the game, they (GOMTV) can not regulate how players play. And there's also no legal reason that says they can't ban someone for no reason if they want to.
^ People seem to think GOM should operate by some convoluted misunderstanding of US law. First of all, they're in Korea which I am sure has a legal system that differs significantly from that of the US. Secondly, it is their tournament, they can allow/disallow whatever they please. Nothing has to be illegal, this is not some sort of crime. It is a video game tournament that be regulated however the company running it chooses. Thirdly, they had a rule in place (however vague) that is subject to discretion. They exercised their discretion and acted as they saw fit.
People may disagree with their decision, or disagree with the reasons behind it, but no one should be incorrectly stating that they aren't allowed. Of course they are. They can indeed regulate how players play.
|
On December 16 2011 04:33 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:26 Assirra wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I don't see how every single rule should be written black and white. Some of this stuff about professionalism should be common sense. You do not disrespect the tournament you play in/the opponent you play/ your sponsors by doing stuff like throwing a match. Gom paid him to play 4matches, not 3 and throwing 1 and disrespecting their tournament. His sponsors support him in his hobby for acting like a professional, not acting childish. GOM do not pay any players but the ones that are entitled to (as in the "winners"). Naniwa for example (as the rest of 99% of players in that tournament) was there on their own effort As for sponsors stuff, that might be a 3 edged word .. to many details unrelated to our topic.
In this event, all of them were paid, just differently according to the placement. So that argument is not true.
|
But it's already not acting professional, who is willing to argue that a professional competitor should get in front of a crowd and just not play? It should be obvious, but now thanks to Naniwa, the obvious needs to be written down as a rule. They aren't setting up the stage and booths, drawing a crowd and sponsors, and charging to view the games, all so Naniwa can play at his leisure.
If you are running a staged production, you have to be *very* wary about who you let on state and how they will act. Ultimately gom is responsible for if games get played or not.
It's of course sad that they might have to do that, but don't think it would require that much to enforce, would perhaps help not get these cases again.
|
On December 16 2011 04:32 Rorschach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:28 HomeWorld wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I agree with you one some parts. Still, we do not want to punish the little guy and yet have the big bad wolf walk out unharmed As I've said so far, the hole Naniwa stuff smells a lot and I cannot blame that guy for it, but when speaking about GOM, well there's another kind of meal, a juicy one. No, not every rule has to be written out... Conduct and good sportsmanship are something that you think would go without saying HOWEVER if Gom doesn't want to create a shitstorm (such as denying Nani his code S spot) it would be in their best interest to have such rules in place for the future.......
Rules needs to be written on a god damn piece of paper, that's how things works. Without this imagine how our legal system would be .. death sentence for someone that jaywalked, probation for a serial killer ... all the weird stuff. No, GOM have no excuse for enforcing a rule that never existed. Yes, such rules are good in the future, but do not punish a guy for subjective reason. Guess our pro-gaming scene needs to wake up a little, from what I know so far there isn't anywhere stated what the rights of a player are (common sense stuff).
|
On December 16 2011 04:40 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:32 Rorschach wrote:On December 16 2011 04:28 HomeWorld wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I agree with you one some parts. Still, we do not want to punish the little guy and yet have the big bad wolf walk out unharmed As I've said so far, the hole Naniwa stuff smells a lot and I cannot blame that guy for it, but when speaking about GOM, well there's another kind of meal, a juicy one. No, not every rule has to be written out... Conduct and good sportsmanship are something that you think would go without saying HOWEVER if Gom doesn't want to create a shitstorm (such as denying Nani his code S spot) it would be in their best interest to have such rules in place for the future....... Rules needs to be written on a god damn piece of paper, that's how things works. Without this imagine how our legal system would be .. death sentence for someone that jaywalked, probation for a serial killer ... all the weird stuff. No, GOM have no excuse for enforcing a rule that never existed. Yes, such rules are good in the future, but do not punish a guy for subjective reason. Guess our pro-gaming scene needs to wake up a little, from what I know so far there isn't anywhere stated what the rights of a player are (common sense stuff).
I am not sure how the legal system works in Romania, but in the US every single possible situation is not written down. You must often infer from general rules what to do in specific situations. If GOM really wnated, they could say that Nani's actions offended their audience which they do have a rule against. If you watch everyone in the studio other than Moletrap and Khaldor laughing, they were basically speechless and looked really pissed. Regardless, I think it's really silly to hold GOM to have their rules of professional conduct codified like the legal system of a country.
|
+ Show Spoiler +While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans.
It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules... NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner... This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above. We do however not doubt the sincerity of NaNiWa's competitive spirit.
I am not sure what to even say. I would like to argue this sort of thinking is absurd, but since GOM has not demarcated their terms, I would not know where to begin. I'll say this, GOM has not given enough information to have a cogent position. Their statement read to me like a Gatorade commercial.
What is the "competitive spirit?" - Apparently, the competitive spirit is the touchstone GOM uses to justify their denouncement/condemnation of Naniwa's action. Somehow, professional players have this quality which either entails or just is the combination of the will to improve, will to work hard and will to "try one's best no matter what." I find these proposed virtues at least equally vague and unnecessary; the last of them is particularly unclear. While I may buy professional players likely, somehow have these virtuous features, that does not mean these features are definitive of a "professional player." Regardless, according to GOM, Naniwa violated this implicit code of conduct and his actions should be condemned (a further step I actually just do not understand).
I don't have much more time to spend on what might be a wild goose chase, trying to understand their position which will likely turn out to be inconsistent. It looks to me like GOM is committing a naturalistic fallacy, then defending it on the grounds: "that's what Korean fans do." Even if this culturally self-centered argument holds and Naniwa did wrong, I'm not sure GOM is free to condemn. I find GOMs act of denouncing and punishing Naniwa to be in poor moral standing. Just consider a variation of our scenario to highlight the distinction between the ethics of players and business. We might consider bull fighting morally ambiguous at best (sorry bull riders, in truth I'm a die hard anthropocentrist). This fact does not allow the bull fighting entertainment industry to skirt proper business ethics.
|
On December 16 2011 04:40 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:32 Rorschach wrote:On December 16 2011 04:28 HomeWorld wrote:On December 16 2011 04:20 Rorschach wrote:
So basically MLG knew nothing about the format change? Just wow...
Either way pretty shitty on GOM's part to not notify them after it was advertised all over the place that Nani would be given a code S spot.
The whole situation makes upset. I think most of us can say without doubt that Naniwa not receiving the code S spot has to do with his Nestea game/drama at the blizzard cup.
Gom has had multiple opportunities and plenty of time to correct MLG and the community if indeed Naniwa was not to receive a code S spot from his Providence placement.
Tasteosis even stated on GSL that he had secured a code S spot!
I for one see through the bullshit. What Naniwa did was childish and was poor sportsmanship BUT he didn't break any rules as far as we know, just poor decision making. What GOM has done is far worse though IMO.
TL dr: Two wrongs don't make a right....
I agree with you one some parts. Still, we do not want to punish the little guy and yet have the big bad wolf walk out unharmed As I've said so far, the hole Naniwa stuff smells a lot and I cannot blame that guy for it, but when speaking about GOM, well there's another kind of meal, a juicy one. No, not every rule has to be written out... Conduct and good sportsmanship are something that you think would go without saying HOWEVER if Gom doesn't want to create a shitstorm (such as denying Nani his code S spot) it would be in their best interest to have such rules in place for the future....... Rules needs to be written on a god damn piece of paper, that's how things works. Without this imagine how our legal system would be .. death sentence for someone that jaywalked, probation for a serial killer ... all the weird stuff. No, GOM have no excuse for enforcing a rule that never existed. Yes, such rules are good in the future, but do not punish a guy for subjective reason. Guess our pro-gaming scene needs to wake up a little, from what I know so far there isn't anywhere stated what the rights of a player are (common sense stuff).
Sorry I misread your first post. I am agreeing with you 100%
If GOM wants to deliver a punishment with justification (i.e. not receive backlash from the community) than specific rules should be in writing OR at the very least have vague ones; such as it being within the power of a committee to ban a participant based on poor sportsmanship.
As it is now Gom's actions are far worse then what Naniwa did IMO.
Gom is not accepting any fault and Nani has become their scapegoat.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
