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Luigy
Denmark43 Posts
Did you even watch the match between nani and nestea? 7 probe rush? Are you kidding? It's more like 'a-click then lean back and watch how it goes' rush. You're missing the point. The strategy itself the proberush, not his executing of it which was a moving can be legitimate. As i said, the strategy could be cheesy, but legitimate, naniwa just executed it in a poorly manner on purpose. | ||
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Romania903 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:28 Skyreaper wrote: Did you even watch the match between nani and nestea? 7 probe rush? Are you kidding? It's more like 'a-click then lean back and watch how it goes' rush. I think you quoted the wrong person, still, going all in with all your probes while doing minimal effort can be considered a rush. | ||
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epb1982
29 Posts
hey Naniwa, we respect your opinion on not liking our tournament, but please would you possible be so kind as to not disrespect our tournament in future? This would be THE human and appropiate way of responding to Naniwa's childiss behavior... I think GOM would be mature enough! | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
I'm really trying to understand why Naniwa went ballistic. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
He ruins the show for a big part of the viewership, he behaves very disrespectful towards his opponent (Nestea), who surely wanted to bring a good performance in his last televised match in 2011, he behaved careless towards the staff of GOM, working hard, to make this show possible, and their sponsors and on top he offended against all values of sportsmanship. He knows, that what he did was wrong in every possible way and accepted it, so why aren't you dumb asses getting it? Does it really have to be punched inside your vacuum heads? Since this discussion is still onging, I think yes -_- | ||
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Skyreaper
70 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:33 epb1982 wrote: i read this somewhere above: hey Naniwa, we respect your opinion on not liking our tournament, but please would you possible be so kind as to not disrespect our tournament in future? This would be THE human and appropiate way of responding to Naniwa's childiss behavior... I think GOM would be mature enough! I think that's what GOM did to NaNiwa. GOM didn't restrict NaNiwa from participating in GSL, all they did was give two sponsor seeds to Idra and Sen instead. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:31 Luigy wrote: You're missing the point. The strategy itself the proberush, not his executing of it which was a moving can be legitimate. As i said, the strategy could be cheesy, but legitimate, naniwa just executed it in a poorly manner on purpose. I don't actually think it can be a legitimate strategy in top-level Starcraft. I mean, you might beat a bronze-league player with it, but you aren't ever beating Nestea. He will always have 9 or something drones when your 7 probes arrive, and that won't go well. | ||
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Luigy
Denmark43 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:42 TeeTS wrote: Everyone here, who is denying that Naniwa threw that game obviously away, is just a complete idiot. Sorry, but how dumb and stupid are you to believe, that he played this strategy the way he did to win? He ruins the show for a big part of the viewership, he behaves very disrespectful towards his opponent (Nestea), who surely wanted to bring a good performance in his last televised match in 2011, he behaved careless towards the staff of GOM, working hard, to make this show possible, and their sponsors and on top he offended against all values of sportsmanship. He knows, that what he did was wrong in every possible way and accepted it, so why aren't you dumb asses getting it? Does it really have to be punched inside your vacuum heads? Since this discussion is still onging, I think yes -_- Please quote me to some people who thinks he didn't do this on purpose, as i see none. I don't see anyone who has claimed that the strategy was made to win. It's easy to see he wasn't trying to win. I did see a point about the strategy still being legit even tho he just used it to lose the game as fast as possible. You assume it ruined the show for big part of the viewers yet if you read the comments, quite a few found it boring to watch a game with nothing at stake, and some found it funny that he proberushed. You also state that Nestea wanted to show a super good game. You can't state that. You can't know exactly what went through his mind at that moment. You can assume that he wanted to do that. But you can't state it. Behaving carelessly towards the staff is somewhat true. He didn't do this to personally attack their work or them. He just didn't wanna have to play that game as he didn't at the time, in his emotional state, see what it could benefit him. The fact that you are insulting us all saying we are just super dumb retards... Get out... | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:42 TeeTS wrote: Everyone here, who is denying that Naniwa threw that game obviously away, is just a complete idiot. Sorry, but how dumb and stupid are you to believe, that he played this strategy the way he did to win? He ruins the show for a big part of the viewership, he behaves very disrespectful towards his opponent (Nestea), who surely wanted to bring a good performance in his last televised match in 2011, he behaved careless towards the staff of GOM, working hard, to make this show possible, and their sponsors and on top he offended against all values of sportsmanship. He knows, that what he did was wrong in every possible way and accepted it, so why aren't you dumb asses getting it? Does it really have to be punched inside your vacuum heads? Since this discussion is still onging, I think yes -_- What he did was a protest against "something". That "something" for now, eludes us, the idiots watching a live soap opera where everyone loves everyone and where season ends with everyone living happily after. Seriously. Something went wrong and since we do not know ALL the details .... things happens, like this thread for example. | ||
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Luigy
Denmark43 Posts
I don't actually think it can be a legitimate strategy in top-level Starcraft. I mean, you might beat a bronze-league player with it, but you aren't ever beating Nestea. He will always have 9 or something drones when your 7 probes arrive, and that won't go well. Still missing the point. I am not talking about this specific matchup or anything. In general it can be a legitimate strategy. Especially in this situation. Both games have nothing to "win", so the chances of cheesy stuff is increased. It may hardly never work in top level play, but if it succeedes once, i would still dare to call it legitimate, as it can win you games. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:49 Luigy wrote: Still missing the point. I am not talking about this specific matchup or anything. In general it can be a legitimate strategy. Especially in this situation. Both games have nothing to "win", so the chances of cheesy stuff is increased. It may hardly never work in top level play, but if it succeedes once, i would still dare to call it legitimate, as it can win you games. Yes, and I just said it won't succeed once. It will never, ever, ever beat Nestea when you send 6 or 7 probes into 9 or 10 drones. Thus, no, it is not a legitimate strategy. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:49 Luigy wrote: Still missing the point. I am not talking about this specific matchup or anything. In general it can be a legitimate strategy. Especially in this situation. Both games have nothing to "win", so the chances of cheesy stuff is increased. It may hardly never work in top level play, but if it succeedes once, i would still dare to call it legitimate, as it can win you games. No, if your opponent isn't in the lowest level in bronze and understands that you need to have your workers attack back, you cannot win with this strategy. There is not a single strategy this will ever beat against a real opponent. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:31 Luigy wrote: You're missing the point. The strategy itself the proberush, not his executing of it which was a moving can be legitimate. As i said, the strategy could be cheesy, but legitimate, naniwa just executed it in a poorly manner on purpose. 7 probe rush vs. zerg is not legitimate, it will never work. By the time you get there the zerg will have more drones than you do probes, and drones beat probes in a straight fight due to hp regen: you can't exactly pull back to regen your shields since the drones will just resume mining. | ||
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Luigy
Denmark43 Posts
Yes, and I just said it won't succeed once. It will never, ever, ever beat Nestea when you send 6 or 7 probes into 9 or 10 drones. Thus, no, it is not a legitimate strategy. Whether the strategy is legitimate and whether it would work against Nestea are two completely different things. Stop mixing them. What i said was the strategy itself, not meaning against any specific opponent, can be legitimate. | ||
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Luigy
Denmark43 Posts
7 probe rush vs. zerg is not legitimate, it will never work. By the time you get there the zerg will have more drones than you do probes, and drones beat probes in a straight fight due to hp regen: you can't exactly pull back to regen your shields since the drones will just resume mining. Now you're assuming that he will have more drones. Let's say you're going to 6 pool me cause we're playing a meaningless game. You start the pool, having 5 drones, suddenly, 7 probes appear. 7>5 i believe. That is how it can be legitimate, and then again, i said the strategy can be legitimate, but the way naniwa executed it, it would never work, not even against bronze levels. Strategy and execution are two different things. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:55 Luigy wrote: Whether the strategy is legitimate and whether it would work against Nestea are two completely different things. Stop mixing them. What i said was the strategy itself, not meaning against any specific opponent, can be legitimate. When you are playing Nestea, strategies are judged as legitimate or not by whether they would work against Nestea. Naniwa would literally have had a better chance of winning if he had chose Terran, instantly floated his Command Center to the corner, and hoped that Nestea's computer lagged out and he was dropped. | ||
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Luigy
Denmark43 Posts
When you are playing Nestea, strategies are judged as legitimate or not by whether they would work against Nestea. Naniwa would literally have had a better chance of winning if he had chose Terran, instantly floated his Command Center to the corner, and hoped that Nestea's computer lagged out and he was dropped. But i am still talking about the strategy itself, not against any specific opponent. Now to make sure that you didn't miss this once again, not against any specific opponent. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:57 Luigy wrote: Now you're assuming that he will have more drones. Let's say you're going to 6 pool me cause we're playing a meaningless game. You start the pool, having 5 drones, suddenly, 7 probes appear. 7>5 i believe. That is how it can be legitimate, and then again, i said the strategy can be legitimate, but the way naniwa executed it, it would never work, not even against bronze levels. Strategy and execution are two different things. The zerg cancels his pool and immediately makes 3 drones with the larvae and wins since the protoss has 0 minerals. Although I should probably assume you're being facetious. If your opponent is a progamer, or anyone who's not in bronze, you literally cannot beat a single strategy, even if you micro. Unless Nani thought Nestea had been magically transformed into someone at the bottom of bronze, he knew he was throwing the game. | ||
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Luigy
Denmark43 Posts
The zerg cancels his pool and immediately makes 3 drones with the larvae and wins since the protoss has 0 minerals. Although I should probably assume you're being facetious. Hypotheticly that would work. I may very well be wrong in my hypothesis. Not going to deny that. I could still see it catching some off guard. | ||
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