GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 96

Did you even watch the match between nani and nestea? 7 probe rush? Are you kidding? It's more like 'a-click then lean back and watch how it goes' rush.

On December 16 2011 03:28 Skyreaper wrote:

Did you even watch the match between nani and nestea? 7 probe rush? Are you kidding? It's more like 'a-click then lean back and watch how it goes' rush.

On December 16 2011 03:33 epb1982 wrote:
i read this somewhere above:

hey Naniwa, we respect your opinion on not liking our tournament, but please would you possible be so kind as to not disrespect our tournament in future?

This would be THE human and appropiate way of responding to Naniwa's childiss behavior... I think GOM would be mature enough!

On December 16 2011 03:31 Luigy wrote:

You're missing the point. The strategy itself the proberush, not his executing of it which was a moving can be legitimate. As i said, the strategy could be cheesy, but legitimate, naniwa just executed it in a poorly manner on purpose.

On December 16 2011 03:42 TeeTS wrote:
Everyone here, who is denying that Naniwa threw that game obviously away, is just a complete idiot. Sorry, but how dumb and stupid are you to believe, that he played this strategy the way he did to win?
He ruins the show for a big part of the viewership, he behaves very disrespectful towards his opponent (Nestea), who surely wanted to bring a good performance in his last televised match in 2011, he behaved careless towards the staff of GOM, working hard, to make this show possible, and their sponsors and on top he offended against all values of sportsmanship.
He knows, that what he did was wrong in every possible way and accepted it, so why aren't you dumb asses getting it? Does it really have to be punched inside your vacuum heads? Since this discussion is still onging, I think yes -_-

On December 16 2011 03:42 TeeTS wrote:
Everyone here, who is denying that Naniwa threw that game obviously away, is just a complete idiot. Sorry, but how dumb and stupid are you to believe, that he played this strategy the way he did to win?
He ruins the show for a big part of the viewership, he behaves very disrespectful towards his opponent (Nestea), who surely wanted to bring a good performance in his last televised match in 2011, he behaved careless towards the staff of GOM, working hard, to make this show possible, and their sponsors and on top he offended against all values of sportsmanship.
He knows, that what he did was wrong in every possible way and accepted it, so why aren't you dumb asses getting it? Does it really have to be punched inside your vacuum heads? Since this discussion is still onging, I think yes -_-

I don't actually think it can be a legitimate strategy in top-level Starcraft. I mean, you might beat a bronze-league player with it, but you aren't ever beating Nestea. He will always have 9 or something drones when your 7 probes arrive, and that won't go well.

On December 16 2011 03:49 Luigy wrote:

Still missing the point. I am not talking about this specific matchup or anything. In general it can be a legitimate strategy. Especially in this situation. Both games have nothing to "win", so the chances of cheesy stuff is increased. It may hardly never work in top level play, but if it succeedes once, i would still dare to call it legitimate, as it can win you games.

On December 16 2011 03:49 Luigy wrote:

Still missing the point. I am not talking about this specific matchup or anything. In general it can be a legitimate strategy. Especially in this situation. Both games have nothing to "win", so the chances of cheesy stuff is increased. It may hardly never work in top level play, but if it succeedes once, i would still dare to call it legitimate, as it can win you games.

Yes, and I just said it won't succeed once. It will never, ever, ever beat Nestea when you send 6 or 7 probes into 9 or 10 drones.

Thus, no, it is not a legitimate strategy.

7 probe rush vs. zerg is not legitimate, it will never work. By the time you get there the zerg will have more drones than you do probes, and drones beat probes in a straight fight due to hp regen: you can't exactly pull back to regen your shields since the drones will just resume mining.

On December 16 2011 03:55 Luigy wrote:


Whether the strategy is legitimate and whether it would work against Nestea are two completely different things. Stop mixing them.

What i said was the strategy itself, not meaning against any specific opponent, can be legitimate.

When you are playing Nestea, strategies are judged as legitimate or not by whether they would work against Nestea.

Naniwa would literally have had a better chance of winning if he had chose Terran, instantly floated his Command Center to the corner, and hoped that Nestea's computer lagged out and he was dropped.

On December 16 2011 03:57 Luigy wrote:

Now you're assuming that he will have more drones. Let's say you're going to 6 pool me cause we're playing a meaningless game. You start the pool, having 5 drones, suddenly, 7 probes appear. 7>5 i believe. That is how it can be legitimate, and then again, i said the strategy can be legitimate, but the way naniwa executed it, it would never work, not even against bronze levels. Strategy and execution are two different things.

The zerg cancels his pool and immediately makes 3 drones with the larvae and wins since the protoss has 0 minerals. Although I should probably assume you're being facetious.