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On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter.
Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews?
To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM?
Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation?
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If what GOMTV says is true and has been true all along, they still owe a huge apology to MLG, because MLG seemed to think all along that Providence top 3 was a qualification for Code S as it had been.
It makes me think of when Sony announced the Play Station as a joint project with Nintendo at CES 1991. The day after, Nintendo announced "We're actually not working with Sony any more, we're working with Phillips instead". That ended up with Sony finishing the Playstation on their own, and getting the Final Fantasy series which used to be Nintendo.
MLG now looks silly for saying 5 times that Naniwa earned a spot at Code S, when GOMTV pretty much ended up saying "We've altered the deal. Pray we do not alter it further".
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Liquipedia and most public comments about MLG Providence have been incorrect then, in claiming that Naniwa gets Code S from his 2nd place there. Thanks a lot for clarifying that point.
edit: I feel like, in that case, there was no need to announce the revoking of an invite that has not even been formally announced yet. It should have sufficed to announce two other progamers as invited, and if needed - remind that MLG Providence in fact did not grant Code S in the new GSL format. I also wonder if the players in MLG Providence even knew about that, because some of them seemed motivated by that Code S rule, that has apparently not been valid anymore.
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I really don't like that they're trying to say that Naniwa didn't earn his spot through MLG even though in the agreement with MLG they have on their own site it clearly shows Naniwa earned his Code S status... :/
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I understand the great concern for e-sports to be taken legitimately as a sport by the global audience. What I am battling to understand is why e-sports are being held to a higher standard than the rest of the world's sports?
Japanese Sumo wrestlers have been accused, with interesting evidence (in Freakonomics book 1) of throwing ranking matches to make sure all receive favourable rankings; Tiger Woods gets paid MORE than the Australian Open's 1st place prize (if not the whole pool) to simply ATTEND the event; Numerous team games do not send out their best players/formations to play against weaker teams in games that aren't seen as important. Manchester United the week before a big derby day, Manchester United when they tour South Africa (Our best team beat them in a 3-team tournament 3 years ago, iirc), not to mention the teams mentioned in
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=294342
I also understand the comments that are being made to an extent from both sides. I do feel that to call Naniwa "money-grubbing amateur" is a bit much when MVP recently came out in an interview to say that the switch to SC2 was largely motivated by money. There have been rumours (that my journalistic soul is crying, as I have not tried to confirm them) that Fruitdealer was the same. There was a National Geographic documentary on the WCG 2006 (I think), where money was ALSO the main reason for that player to compete. With respect to Naniwa's situation, to be upset over his stance that he wants to win for money seems a bit hypocritical. Especially when the very same tournament invited Stephano, who has oft been quoted as saying that he is in it solely for the money, and will only stay if that remains to be good.
However, Naniwa, in all the interviews I have come across seems to desire the so-called bonjwa title more than any money. This, coupled with his perceived social awkwardness at events has given him a bad reputation, or as far as I am aware. This event can probably be seen as the straw that broke the camel’s back, but to review some interesting occurrences almost immediately predating this event.
1) There were a series of show matches just before the first Arena of Legends, I think it was (sorry, time constraints again), where various players played far below their peak. I am not just mentioning the Huk Nestea game, where Huk was accused of taking it "too seriously" by Nestea, but also the MKP vs MMA game, where MMA had MKP dead to rights, pulled back, and lost to MKP's overpowered Protoss.... Yes, Protoss. Now, I don't know what was on the line for those matches, I would assume that the winner would receive some form of compensation, however on a well-respected foreigner talk show, it was highlighted that Korean's don't respect show matches as they would a real game. There was no money on the line. There was no international ranking on the line. All that was in this was the entertainment value for the fans...
2) This format, where those who were already eliminated were forced to play was out of the established norm for a GomTV tournament. In GSL Pool play, as soon as a player loses two games, they are no longer required to play. Likewise, in the most recent up & down's, when two players had no chance of advancing, I remember them as not having to play either.
Why was this specific tournament different?
By the time Naniwa vs Nestea had arrived, there was no difference in prize money. There was no chance of either advancing. This can be simplified down to a glorified show match between two people with an interesting rivalry.
The result was an organizer's dream result. Not only do these two players have a great, recent history, they were about to meet up in a Best of One to see who has improved the most.
"Does Naniwa have what it takes to keep down the God of Zerg? Will Nestea take revenge for the Swarm?
No! Naniwa does the unthinkable. He almost shouted it from the rooftops that the rematch will not be today. Not in this place. He will take the grudge further, and show that Nestea is not worth his time... for now.
With both of these players in the up & coming GSL season 1 2012 Code S, it's only a matter of time until these players meet up for revenge."
Instead, this did not happen. Instead, GSL revoked a seed with a spot ruling, and have since been trying to legitimize it. I did not see one announcement or correction concerning Naniwa's Code S seed from MLG since Providence. It was expected that he had won the right to compete in the GSL at MLG. He had earned the right to be at the Blizzard Cup, in all of his ignominious glory by placing 2nd at the same MLG.
Yet it seems that he broke a misunderstood rule that according to some reports (once again I apologize for the tabloid journalism) was not even fully explained. More than that, due to the GSL changing formats again in as many events, he has had his seed revoked.
This November season went through a substantial overhaul, and almost straight away, before the season is complete after showing some amazing games throughout, and the best finals by popular vote so far, it is being changed again. Not only is it being changed again, apparently these rules have been drawn up, and are already in effect for the next season. However, as I understand it, they have not been released to the public.
In summation, I am not surprised at how Naniwa acted. If I had paid to watch that game, I would have been excited to see Classic Naniwa, reinventing BM in his own awkward style. I would have thought to myself "A best of one doesn’t mean anything anyway". I would have been ecstatic for the chance at a rematch between these two great players, and probably the most consistently performing foreigner (It's been a long time since TSL 3 yet Naniwa is still up there), And yet, I, and I am not alone, I am left with a feeling that GomTV messed up in handling a situation that could have been easily spun to their benefit. If this was as big a thing in Korean culture as many foreigners are saying, this would have sold MORE tickets, not less. This would have made the GSL more talked about, not less. This is the type of controversy that would make a company huge, even get GSL trending as Tastosis desperately try. I just cannot help feel they made this decision badly.
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On December 15 2011 14:57 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter. Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews? To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM? Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation?
most ridiculous argument ever. it's not GOM's obligation to find out what's happening in the western community. it's not even their first language anyways. this is like expecting MLG to frequent PlayXP and Thisisgame to find out how korean netizens are reacting. here's a better question. why did GOM never contact Naniwa to inform him about his code s seeding when they have done so for all the past participants in MLG who received one? here's an answer, because there was no code s seeding.
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On December 15 2011 15:04 Stringy wrote:
I really don't like that they're trying to say that Naniwa didn't earn his spot through MLG even though in the agreement with MLG they have on their own site it clearly shows Naniwa earned his Code S status... :/
It appears MLG misunderstood the agreement and hyped it up themselves. MLG Providence did not have 4 Korean invites. 3 of them were seeded based on their MLG rank (past performance) and MVP fought his way through the open bracket. Clearly, the GSL-MLG exchange program was not applicable to MLG Providence. I don't know why MLG would think that the top placed foreigner would get a GSL code S seed. Both GOM and MLG owes us an explanation on this matter. There seems to be huge miscommunication between the two parties. But anyways, Naniwa has nothing to do with this anymore, that matter has been settled and justice delivered. Now the focus is on where did the communication go wrong and why wasn't it addressed earlier?
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On December 15 2011 15:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 14:57 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter. Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews? To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM? Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation? most ridiculous argument ever. it's not GOM's obligation to find out what's happening in the western community. it's not even their first language anyways. this is like expecting MLG to frequent PlayXP and Thisisgame to find out how korean netizens are reacting. here's a better question. why did GOM never contact Naniwa to inform him about his code s seeding when they have done so for all the past participants in MLG who received one? here's an answer, because there was no code s seeding.
No, this is like expecting MLG to react if their partner GOM announces on their homepage, that after having won GSL December, Jjakji gets an automatic seed into the winners bracket of the first coming MLG, yet that not being the case. I would certainly expect MLG to correct that misinformation. Why wouldn't they?
But you think naniwa should have deduced that he in fact didn't have a birth for code S, since it was only the MLG site, admins at MLG and all major news sources that told him that he had received such a spot, and not infact GOM?
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On December 15 2011 15:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 14:57 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter. Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews? To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM? Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation? most ridiculous argument ever. it's not GOM's obligation to find out what's happening in the western community. it's not even their first language anyways. this is like expecting MLG to frequent PlayXP and Thisisgame to find out how korean netizens are reacting. here's a better question. why did GOM never contact Naniwa to inform him about his code s seeding when they have done so for all the past participants in MLG who received one? here's an answer, because there was no code s seeding.
But it is GOM's obligation to at least notify MLG of the changes towards Code S seeding coming out of Providence. GOM and MLG made a business agreement and the fact that GOM essentially broke away from the agreement might actually hurt relations between MLG and GOM which is only bad for esports as a whole.
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On December 15 2011 15:10 bobohobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:04 Stringy wrote:
I really don't like that they're trying to say that Naniwa didn't earn his spot through MLG even though in the agreement with MLG they have on their own site it clearly shows Naniwa earned his Code S status... :/ It appears MLG misunderstood the agreement and hyped it up themselves. MLG Providence did not have 4 Korean invites. 3 of them were seeded based on their MLG rank (past performance) and MVP fought his way through the open bracket. Clearly, the GSL-MLG exchange program was not applicable to MLG Providence. I don't know why MLG would think that the top placed foreigner would get a GSL code S seed. Both GOM and MLG owes us an explanation on this matter. There seems to be huge miscommunication between the two parties. But anyways, Naniwa has nothing to do with this anymore, that matter has been settled and justice delivered. Now the focus is on where did the communication go wrong and why wasn't it addressed earlier?
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence
The TOP4 koreans did get their flights paid. On this matter the GSL-MLG exchange didnt change. GOM are just being dickheards for bending their rules like they want.
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On December 15 2011 15:15 JinnAxel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 14:57 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter. Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews? To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM? Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation? most ridiculous argument ever. it's not GOM's obligation to find out what's happening in the western community. it's not even their first language anyways. this is like expecting MLG to frequent PlayXP and Thisisgame to find out how korean netizens are reacting. here's a better question. why did GOM never contact Naniwa to inform him about his code s seeding when they have done so for all the past participants in MLG who received one? here's an answer, because there was no code s seeding. But it is GOM's obligation to at least notify MLG of the changes towards Code S seeding coming out of Providence. GOM and MLG made a business agreement and the fact that GOM essentially broke away from the agreement might actually hurt relations between MLG and GOM which is only bad for esports as a whole.
you could say mlg broke it first because they only paid and flew 2 players when the original statement said 4 players seeded directly into championship pools. the thing is we DONT know, so we can't blame anyone for it.
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On December 15 2011 15:10 bobohobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:04 Stringy wrote:
I really don't like that they're trying to say that Naniwa didn't earn his spot through MLG even though in the agreement with MLG they have on their own site it clearly shows Naniwa earned his Code S status... :/ It appears MLG misunderstood the agreement and hyped it up themselves. MLG Providence did not have 4 Korean invites. 3 of them were seeded based on their MLG rank (past performance) and MVP fought his way through the open bracket. Clearly, the GSL-MLG exchange program was not applicable to MLG Providence. I don't know why MLG would think that the top placed foreigner would get a GSL code S seed. Both GOM and MLG owes us an explanation on this matter. There seems to be huge miscommunication between the two parties. But anyways, Naniwa has nothing to do with this anymore, that matter has been settled and justice delivered. Now the focus is on where did the communication go wrong and why wasn't it addressed earlier?
Then why did everyone think so, and why did GSL wait a month to correct the misunderstanding?
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On December 15 2011 15:15 JinnAxel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 14:57 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter. Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews? To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM? Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation? most ridiculous argument ever. it's not GOM's obligation to find out what's happening in the western community. it's not even their first language anyways. this is like expecting MLG to frequent PlayXP and Thisisgame to find out how korean netizens are reacting. here's a better question. why did GOM never contact Naniwa to inform him about his code s seeding when they have done so for all the past participants in MLG who received one? here's an answer, because there was no code s seeding. But it is GOM's obligation to at least notify MLG of the changes towards Code S seeding coming out of Providence. GOM and MLG made a business agreement and the fact that GOM essentially broke away from the agreement might actually hurt relations between MLG and GOM which is only bad for esports as a whole.
Well MLG didn't fulfill their part of the bargain so I don't think MLG was as in the dark as everyone is acting.
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It seems lke GOM just lied straight through their teeth, man i am so dissapoint. When was this mystery rule released? when was MLG ever brought into the convo as in the comments up in this thread earlier. The question boils down to, "Where the hell were these rules released that apparently 1 person in the entire thread has heard of them along with GOM?" this is childish, and stupid and Nani deserves his spot and not get Red Taped to death because GOM thinks they can do that. He has stated that he did this because he was frustrated, we cannot blame him for being mentally weak with his schedule, this is not because he hates GOM or his fans, this is because he, just like a lot of people, even the Great Day [9] (as stated on SOTG) have tossed games when they were frustrated or wanted to rest. If they can answer where this stuff was then maybe, but this hyper aggressive response, likened to that of Coca, who fixed a match, is unacceptable.
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On December 15 2011 15:15 Gin-san wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:10 bobohobo wrote:On December 15 2011 15:04 Stringy wrote:
I really don't like that they're trying to say that Naniwa didn't earn his spot through MLG even though in the agreement with MLG they have on their own site it clearly shows Naniwa earned his Code S status... :/ It appears MLG misunderstood the agreement and hyped it up themselves. MLG Providence did not have 4 Korean invites. 3 of them were seeded based on their MLG rank (past performance) and MVP fought his way through the open bracket. Clearly, the GSL-MLG exchange program was not applicable to MLG Providence. I don't know why MLG would think that the top placed foreigner would get a GSL code S seed. Both GOM and MLG owes us an explanation on this matter. There seems to be huge miscommunication between the two parties. But anyways, Naniwa has nothing to do with this anymore, that matter has been settled and justice delivered. Now the focus is on where did the communication go wrong and why wasn't it addressed earlier? http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceThe TOP4 koreans did get their flights paid. On this matter the GSL-MLG exchange didnt change. GOM are just being dickheards for bending their rules like they want.
didn't they get their flight paid because they qualified for the championship bracket? NOT becuase it's a GSL-MLG exchange?
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On December 15 2011 15:10 bobohobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:04 Stringy wrote:
I really don't like that they're trying to say that Naniwa didn't earn his spot through MLG even though in the agreement with MLG they have on their own site it clearly shows Naniwa earned his Code S status... :/ It appears MLG misunderstood the agreement and hyped it up themselves. MLG Providence did not have 4 Korean invites. 3 of them were seeded based on their MLG rank (past performance) and MVP fought his way through the open bracket. Clearly, the GSL-MLG exchange program was not applicable to MLG Providence. I don't know why MLG would think that the top placed foreigner would get a GSL code S seed. Both GOM and MLG owes us an explanation on this matter. There seems to be huge miscommunication between the two parties. But anyways, Naniwa has nothing to do with this anymore, that matter has been settled and justice delivered. Now the focus is on where did the communication go wrong and why wasn't it addressed earlier?
No explanation is needed if you actually read MLG-GSL exchange program carefully.
The exchange program:
MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.
Do we still live in 2011 in January?
I don't think GOMTV was just playing with words and literally looked for flaws in the agreement.
The Naniwa incident really just happened at a really bad timing before GOMTV announced their 2012 format.
Well, maybe GOMTV is cunning after all. However, we have no solid evidence to judge on this issue based on what was written.
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On December 15 2011 15:14 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 14:57 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter. Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews? To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM? Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation? most ridiculous argument ever. it's not GOM's obligation to find out what's happening in the western community. it's not even their first language anyways. this is like expecting MLG to frequent PlayXP and Thisisgame to find out how korean netizens are reacting. here's a better question. why did GOM never contact Naniwa to inform him about his code s seeding when they have done so for all the past participants in MLG who received one? here's an answer, because there was no code s seeding. No, this is like expecting MLG to react if their partner GOM announces on their homepage, that after having won GSL December, Jjakji gets an automatic seed into the winners bracket of the first coming MLG, yet that not being the case. I would certainly expect MLG to correct that misinformation. Why wouldn't they? But you think naniwa should have deduced that he in fact didn't have a birth for code S, since it was only the MLG site, admins at MLG and all major news sources that told him that he had received such a spot, and not infact GOM?
except your comparison fails because GomTV.net is a english site. the equivalent comparison would be for expecting MLG to find out about the news on a korean site. funny you have the expectation that koreans should frequent english sites and keep up to date with the latest information in the western thing but not the other way around.
that doesn't even make sense. why the hell would Gom contact Naniwa to tell him that he didn't have a code s spot if they didn't even know he thought he had a code s spot?
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On December 15 2011 14:58 Lobo2me wrote:
If what GOMTV says is true and has been true all along, they still owe a huge apology to MLG, because MLG seemed to think all along that Providence top 3 was a qualification for Code S as it had been.
It makes me think of when Sony announced the Play Station as a joint project with Nintendo at CES 1991. The day after, Nintendo announced "We're actually not working with Sony any more, we're working with Phillips instead". That ended up with Sony finishing the Playstation on their own, and getting the Final Fantasy series which used to be Nintendo.
MLG now looks silly for saying 5 times that Naniwa earned a spot at Code S, when GOMTV pretty much ended up saying "We've altered the deal. Pray we do not alter it further".
They were contractually obligated to provide Code S status to the highest placed finisher who didn't already have the status at all of the 2011 MLG Pro Circuit events, if what GOM says is true it shouldn't effect anything that happened in 2011.. Its not any sort of a deal if you alter your terms and don't tell the other party about it lol...
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On December 15 2011 15:15 JinnAxel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 15:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 14:57 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:43 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 14:39 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 14:35 akalarry wrote:On December 15 2011 14:29 Bogeyman wrote:
Wait what?
I was just starting to think it was all good the way it was, but now they say they changed the way they invite players and that Naniwa didn't get a code S spot in MLG Providence.
What I want to know is who the hell was informed about this up until just now? Was there anyone at MLG who knew this at Providence? I sincerely hope you're not taking this the wrong way and ban me or something, but as I realize what this all entails I'm getting pretty pissed, and I've even been calm throughout this whole debacle up until now.
So you silently let all the players at MLG Providence and all the viewers rooting for our favorite players think they would get a Code S seed so long as they were the top player in the top 3 that wasn't already in Code S. You silently let all of us get our hopes up seeing our favorite players win match after match, getting that much closer to their dreams and the hopes of their fans.
This isn't even about Naniwa anymore. Screw that, I don't care about that anymore. You didn't inform a living soul as you changed the rules so that the struggles (towards getting that Code S seed, I'm not talking about the prize money for MLG Providence) of all those players would mean absolutely nothing, giving yourselves the power to pick whoever you saw fit among the top players around the world. That is utterly disrespectful towards the players and the fans.
So please, I implore you, tell me that isn't the case. Show us that you had communicated this to the players or their teams or the MLG Staff! Someone, step up and say "I knew about this all along, Naniwa never actually had a seed"! Show us the announcement where you explained how the new deal would work for MLG Providence and forward! Or maybe it never actually was a "deal" per se but rather a "buddy agreement" or something that you can change without notice?
Please someone explain to me what I'm missing here, or to me at least this whole controversy just exploded. if naniwa gets code s seed from the mlg-gsl exchange program, did MLG pay and send 4 players and seed them directly into that tournaments championship bracket? What you're doing is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and going *LA LA LA LA LA*. Yes, let's ignore that it was everyones belief that naniwa had qualified for code S. Him, his team, MLG and the foreign community as a whole. And that GOM never took any steps to correct this belief, until the day after the match between naniwa and nestea took place. And that 1) GOM originally called it a ban on twitter (until later removed), 2) according to some it was stated on their homepage (until later removed) 3) it was referred to as such by Tastosis 4) the rules for their cooperation with MLG implies it 5) Naniwa uncorrected referred to his spot on the media day at the blizzard cup. And that MLG themselves refer to the league exchange program for Providence: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAre you being serious? Yes and what you link to is completely untruthful. Bomber, MC, and MMA were placed in the champion bracket because of their past performance. MLG did NOT pay for MVP to travel, that was QxG, as you can confirm by looking in the thread announcing the partnership on TL. Further the exchange program said they were be seeded, which MVP was not. So you're just trusting MLG over GOM, which I suppose you're entitled to do. It appears to me that they both terminated the agreement for Providence, or it wasn't applicable for some reason, and for some suspicious reason this wasn't communicated, perhaps because it was assumed GOM would be willing to give one of its foreigner seeds out to the winner of Providence, so it wouldn't actually matter. Can you give me any sensible explanation for why GOM would wait from Providence and until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match before informaing anyone (including a player who was establishing himself in S Korea under the impression that he had a code S seed) of the fact that Naniwa did in fact not have a birth for code S? And why GOM themselves originally referred to what happened to naniwa as a ban, that tastosis referred to naniwa as having his qualification spot removed and that they didn't correct naniwa when he referred to his spot in code S in the blizzard cup media day interviews? To take GOM at their word, they have deliberately misled, or for a month failed to correct, a player, a team, MLG and the whole western community about whether Providence would provide a code S spot. Do you want to believe that about GOM? Do you not find it a tad more believable, that rather this is a story that is being spun in order to handle a controversial situation? most ridiculous argument ever. it's not GOM's obligation to find out what's happening in the western community. it's not even their first language anyways. this is like expecting MLG to frequent PlayXP and Thisisgame to find out how korean netizens are reacting. here's a better question. why did GOM never contact Naniwa to inform him about his code s seeding when they have done so for all the past participants in MLG who received one? here's an answer, because there was no code s seeding. But it is GOM's obligation to at least notify MLG of the changes towards Code S seeding coming out of Providence. GOM and MLG made a business agreement and the fact that GOM essentially broke away from the agreement might actually hurt relations between MLG and GOM which is only bad for esports as a whole.
what makes you think that GOM didn't contact MLG and that it was in fact a misunderstanding from MLG's side? For the record, GOM announced the changes to the tournament format BEFORE providence. Now reversing your obvious bias, why didn't MLG contact GOM to ask them if there would be any changes with the seedings under the new format?
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